Factorio Thread

[Trapped Under Rice]

]Question for the older kiwis: why always MtF? I don't remember ever seeing FtM seething at this kinda of shit

Much ink has been spilled on this question. I think the consensus is that:
1. Being male makes you more predisposed to autism, and autism makes you more predisposed to be a troon, which in turn makes you more likely to be a troonsperg.
2. Trannys are often fetishist-addled narcissists who, like men, insert themselves into everything: women's spaces, internet arguments and cultural movements they have no business in. Whereas, FtM are usually just lesbians with extra steps, or abuse victims. They tend to keep to themselves.

 

[EyelessMC]

Really interesting ride, this thread. Never thought about Factorio and all my autism goes into model kits but it's good to see someone speak their mind counter to rabid stupidity and not cave to pressure thereafter. Here's hoping it stays that way. Kind of reminds me of Five Nights at Freddy's or Neverhood with the creators being openly Christian and not caving to pressure for their views (even if one of them had their game adopted by furries), or the Kingdom Come guys who refused to just Netflix-up their game with race swaps to appease people allergic to Whites. If more creators are openly stalwart in their worldview and beliefs then hopefully we'll see the same spread to other areas of game development, and from there it could spread even further.
All it takes is having a spine and being willing to endure hardship if it comes at you, ie have principals and don't be a cowardly whore.

Tbh czechs and hungarians especially are like a broken record about communism- it has been nailed so hard into their heads in schools.

It should've been nailed into every head in every school, especially America. Too bad retards and whores were the majority old guard for academia.

EDIT: Actually quite a number of the posts in that subreddit seem pretty reasonable and nuanced; a few are even supportive of Kovarex's decision and getting decent upvotes for it.
Example:
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"Kovarex said a few dumb things" Nah, this guy can choke on his Bad Dragon toy. I'm so tired of this "well both sides are fmweh and the middle ground is fefmah" abject brain rot. One side is correct here, the side that didn't sperg about politics for no reason, didn't get uppity at a Czech for giving an example about the literal 100% result of Communism and didn't try to "Cancel" the other however they could, even implying the guy was a pedo with the statutory rape thing. There is no middle ground or "both sides were silly".
Fence sitters deserve the Vlad Tepes treatment. At least then they'd have a reason for the fence being perpetually lodged in their ass.

imo the troons will pick him apart if he keeps engaging on their terms.

He's gonna learn the hard way, the way everyone learned, the way the Farms learned, that you can't be reasonable with and tolerant of the caustically insane

 

[Purple Pepsi]

Having the protagonist match your sex is a "nice to have" thing. It depends on what the developer wants to do, what they're willing to do, and what's cost-efficient. But spergs online like making it a "must have!" thing and screech extremely loud about it. That's why there's often such a big backlash against those suggestions.

Funnily enough, it's usually "we need female models!". I don't see a whole lot of people demanding we be able to play Senmua, Horizon Zero Dawn or Shantae as a male.

I only recently got off my ass to play Bioshock and Subnautica, both games where your protagonist is a guy. Didn't ruin my sense of immersion at all and they were both fucking awesome to play. I think if a game's setting/characters/story are well written, a character's gender is something that doesn't have to match the player to make it immersive.
Then again, if you're a tranny you wouldn't even get a real sense of immersion even if you did play as a female character unless there are facial hair/amhole customization/baldness/cumstain options as well. So why bother?

 

[Bungus Scrungus]

Yep, I expect an apology within the week. This isn't the "lol cope and seethe" that keeps tranny hordes at bay, he's playing right into their greasy hands. Ya hate to see it.

I have to be honest; this sort of shit doesn't help either. Clarifying doesn't mean apologizing. I know things are already fucked, but we don't need to have this sort of attitude, either. Sorry if that's not what anyone here wanted to hear.

 

[Staffy]

Yep, I expect an apology within the week. This isn't the "lol cope and seethe" that keeps tranny hordes at bay, he's playing right into their greasy hands. Ya hate to see it.

He'd be retarded to do that. Apart from transphobia I've seen him being called racist as well. Is he really now a racist or it's just faggots doing a make believe as usual?

 

[round robin]

I have to be honest; this sort of shit doesn't help either. Clarifying doesn't mean apologizing. I know things are already fucked, but we don't need to have this sort of attitude, either. Sorry if that's not what anyone here wanted to hear.

I didn't say clarifying was apologizing, but it certainly leads to it when dealing with narcissists. They have written the terms and rules and when you argue with them you lose because they will always find a way to be right. The correct move has always just been to ignore contrarians.

 

[Bungus Scrungus]

I didn't say clarifying was apologizing, but it certainly leads to it when dealing with narcissists. They have written the terms and rules and when you argue with them you lose because they will always find a way to be right. The correct move has always just been to ignore contrarians.

Sorry about that; I assumed as much cause that's generally what I'm used to seeing with this stuff. Ultimatums; step out of line even once with either side of things and you're done sort of things.

 

[Gar For Archer]

I have to be honest; this sort of shit doesn't help either. Clarifying doesn't mean apologizing. I know things are already fucked, but we don't need to have this sort of attitude, either. Sorry if that's not what anyone here wanted to hear.

I actually think him asking the trannies to explain themselves in simple terms and refusing to take their claims of racism and bigotry at face value is pretty funny, and a better response than going straight “fuck trannies lmao”. Because obviously they CAN’T provide adequate explanations, they have to rely on fear and intimidation to coerce people into “agreeing” with them.

 

[MooseGump]

I actually think him asking the trannies to explain themselves in simple terms and refusing to take their claims of racism and bigotry at face value is pretty funny, and a better response than going straight “fuck trannies lmao”. Because obviously they CAN’T provide adequate explanations, they have to rely on fear and intimidation to coerce people into “agreeing” with them.

That would be the big brain move I would expect from the guy who made this game

 

[Kaede Did Nothing Wrong]

Sorry about that; I assumed as much cause that's generally what I'm used to seeing with this stuff. Ultimatums; step out of line even once with either side of things and you're done sort of things.

people take the hard line approach because there is an implicit power to making others "explain themselves" without them having done anything wrong. it's a kangaroo court of public opinion.

 

[yanderekko]

sorry lads, he's gone and clarified that he has nothing against trans people and the celebration of his statements disturbs him. he's still holding the line on his original statement though.

While it may be amusing to see TRAs btfo right now, the fact that he's still getting baited into replying to these people means that he's probably going to eventually say something that will be more clearly provocative (since I'm sure he holds many views that are unpalatable to the woke American left.) At that point the real cancellation will start. This is all just a prelude.

 

[Least Concern]

One news outlet is covering this new drama.

NicheGamer

Thanks for sharing. That was far easier to read than a modern Reddit thread to get a feel for what the hell is going on.

 

[Kulee Baba]

I disagree. I really appreciate it when a game allows me to play my sex in-game, as I find it more personally immersive. I don't understand the rage that incels feel towards such a simple and non-aggressive request. These "will you let me play my bio-sex" threads always dissolve into a bunch of outrageously immature commentary that bumps the thread without any further response from the OP. I also advocate for games to not only have a female character. If a man wants to play a man, he should be able to.

Factorio has the same type of request thread on their forums.

It definitely depends on the type of game. But ones that are focused on making a very detailed world I think are way better off tailoring the world and NPC comments on a certain character archetype if not just a predefined character. I think it enriches the world itself by doing so.

Grand Theft Auto series has done this very well. In "The Ballad of Gay Tony" you play as a suave Hispanic Gangster Luis. Luis can go to one of the multiple nightclubs in the game and dance with the ladies. If the player successfully completes the dance minigame Luis will then have dirty drunk sex with the chick in the club's bathroom. Only Luis can do this, not the other GTAIV leads Niko or Johnny. Rockstar put this in not just for mere amusement but to define what type of man Luis is in sexuality and how the world treats him. He's a wild playboy stud.

Now look at the advanced moneyprinter GTA Online. You get to select your character entirely free form. You can play as a petite little girl or a giant brooding hulk. All GTA Online does in cutscenes is have your player stand around vacantly as a Gangster, Rockstar could not invest the time necessary to have the Player insert reflect how the world around them sees and treats the player insert.

I without question think it's better and more interesting for a game to tailor the game on a certain kind of player protagonist. I think one of Cyberpunk 2077's failures is that it tried very hard to give you the option of playing a Male or Female Protagonist and also tailor the world. Maybe it's just sexism in my own brain but I don't feel it's plausible that a Cyberpunk thug like Jackie Welles will just start partying up with the Female V. Jackie and his small interactions with V felt like it was written with a male lead in mind.

 

[Corn Flakes]

While it may be amusing to see TRAs btfo right now, the fact that he's still getting baited into replying to these people means that he's probably going to eventually say something that will be more clearly provocative (since I'm sure he holds many views that are unpalatable to the woke American left.) At that point the real cancellation will start. This is all just a prelude.

He doesn't actually have much to lose but time, though. Factorio is already too popular to be buried. At most there will be a rash of woke idiots spelling "TRANS RIGHTS" in lights in the game, which is, as the tweet said, free publicity. And the guy is Czech (and so is his team), they can't really go after his job or his family or any of the other avenues of petty revenge they usually go for.

Might he lose a few sales? Maybe. But the game already sold 2.5 million copies, all of them at full price, and it still holds daily peaks of over 5k people. Plus Kovarex doesn't spend his day on twitter. He'll be fine even if he slips up.

 

[Gar For Archer]

While it may be amusing to see TRAs btfo right now, the fact that he's still getting baited into replying to these people means that he's probably going to eventually say something that will be more clearly provocative (since I'm sure he holds many views that are unpalatable to the woke American left.) At that point the real cancellation will start. This is all just a prelude.

What “real cancellation”? Who has the power to carry this out? What would this even entail - the guy getting banned of Twitter? Factorio being removed from Steam? What the fuck does he even have to lose? The money of some Twitter trannies who were never going to buy his game in the first place? I dunno if he has a day job or if Factorio is his only income, but it’s not like potential future employers in the Czech Republic are gonna look at his Reddit history and say, “Sorry, you pissed off some Reddit trannies, guess we can’t hire you anymore”.

“Cancellation” might be a big deal to retarded dramatubers who won’t be able to grift views and superchats if they were #exposed, because their “product” is their image and their credibility. But it means jack shit to someone who’s self-employed and sells a tangible product directly to end-users. The Steam reviews should tell you enough about exactly how said end-users feel about this “controversy”.

 

[Jordi El Nino Polla]

Is Factorio the best example of this kind of game? I want to try one. Satisfactory also looked good.

 

[Salubrious]

Much ink has been spilled on this question. I think the consensus is that:
1. Being male makes you more predisposed to autism, and autism makes you more predisposed to be a troon, which in turn makes you more likely to be a troonsperg.
2. Trannys are often fetishist-addled narcissists who, like men, insert themselves into everything: women's spaces, internet arguments and cultural movements they have no business in. Whereas, FtM are usually just lesbians with extra steps, or abuse victims. They tend to keep to themselves.

3. Internet trannies are a bunch of beta males that know that "borrowing" a trans identity gives them power on the internet that they cannot wield in real life, especially over biological women who HAVE to accept them into their spaces or the women are bigots.

 

[Commander Shepard]

Game's been on my wishlist for awhile now. The backlog grows.

 

[Red Mask]

All it takes is having a spine and being willing to endure hardship if it comes at you, ie have principals and don't be a cowardly whore.

Does this apply to ALL principles or just the ones you agree with?

 

[yanderekko]

What “real cancellation”? Who has the power to carry this out? What would this even entail - the guy getting banned of Twitter? Factorio being removed from Steam? What the fuck does he even have to lose? The money of some Twitter trannies who were never going to buy his game in the first place? I dunno if he has a day job or if Factorio is his only income, but it’s not like potential future employers in the Czech Republic are gonna look at his Reddit history and say, “Sorry, you pissed off some Reddit trannies, guess we can’t hire you anymore”.

“Cancellation” might be a big deal to retarded dramatubers who won’t be able to grift views and superchats if they were #exposed, because their “product” is their image and their credibility. But it means jack shit to someone who’s self-employed and sells a tangible product directly to end-users. The Steam reviews should tell you enough about exactly how said end-users feel about this “controversy”.

Steam won't delist the game but the review bomb numbers will flip. Maybe sales of base Factorio won't go down but the dev or company becoming toxic will negatively impact sales of future products. Media entities will also reach out to try to stir drama within the company if there's any sort of internal unhappiness about these events, a la coinbase. At the least you'll have breathless exposes about the toxic culture or internalized white supremacy that fuels these attitudes.

It is true that the devs here are more difficult to cancel because they don't have a product with easy substitutes and are not relying on social media clout to sell the game, but that doesn't mean that they won't end up "losing" this fight in the longer run if they choose to stand their ground. Obviously "losing" does not mean that they will experience a Devotion-style cancellation though.