Yeah, that's my point. Don't go to gleba first.
The issue is setting up nutrient and cold boot loops for the first time takes more time than setting up other types of factory.
Skill issue. I made a shit-ass spaghet starter base there no problem.
Gleba cold boot is literally assemblers with the spoilage to nutrients recipe. Real high genius stuff.
Cold boot also requires declogging every loop and machine of leftover gunk and resetting the bacteria. If you're cheesing everything with bots its not an issue but automatic cold boot factory wide belted setups aren't easy.
Does it? You can't use epic quality until recyclers and most people skip it until legendary anyway. Heating tower is worse nuclear unlocked post nuclear and the biochamber is useless outside gleba. Oil is never an issue on nauvis and vulcanus has no nutrient source. And the agricultural tower... lmao. Rocket turrets also suck on nauvis.
Oh right the stack inserter and the efficiency modules, lol I legitimate forgot about them, but it doesn't change my point. To get the extreme volume of production needed to actually make proper use of the stack you need foundries and EM plants, unless you plan on saturating your iron line using electric furances. Extremely useful, but only as a second planet item.
Yeah, to use on your second planet. So you can actually build around them without being the kind of autismaxxing player who rebuilds their entire shit for no reason, and employ them on your ships at the stage of the game where real estate is more precious. Kinda like exactly what I fucking said, huh.
You don't have to rebuild everything, you plan plan multi stage blueprints that work suboptimally until all components are unocked.
Early game ships don't have the kind of throughput where stack inserters would make any difference though, wdym?
Ah yes, all those first-time players with complete post-game knowledge.
Why doesn't this same argument apply to foundries and EM plants though? You have to tear appart your entire factory to slot them in the production line, because unlike the stack inserter they don't have the same size as the things they replace. Not that it even matters because the stack inserter isn't a direct slot in replacement for bulk inserters due to its full stack prerequisite.
You don't have to void ice on Fulgora, you can make extra batteries instead (you always need more, and making sulfuric acid consumes all excess water). The gears can be spent on express underground belts since you already have infinite free heavy oil there and launch materials are easy to get. Solid fuel can be upcycled into quality rocket fuel so your vehicles go faster but that's about it unless you're having power shortages somehow. Thinking of ways to put all these things to use may have cost me more playtime than it's worth, but it appeals to the hoarder in me.
I've been a bit disappointed with the Space Age mods despite it being out for a year, most are just additional gimmick planets. There is the weird fruit mod that I don't know how it works beyond just wasting time.
I bought Space Age within the first few days of its release and kinda got fucked when it came to Gleba because I brought nothing to it.
I think it will come out in time. Space Age released, then 3-6 months to play it until you burn out, then 3-6 month to crave the factory again and only then would you start planning overalls, with the entire development still to be done. There's also a lot of new modder API to wrap your head around.
Some of those, like Sea Block, don't really care for the space exploration aspect either.
Glad you found out about Trupen. I don't know if he talks about it, but don't ever be afraid to pull everything up and redo it. Once you have construction robots, refactoring your entire set up, either all at once or one sub-factory at a time, is trivial and only really takes time. Nothing is permanent, not even spaghetti.
I did pick it up again and finished a new "stone terminal" that was a bit outside of the main area. I remembered I had tried to make separate "this area is entirely dedicated to green science, this area is entirely dedicated to red science, etc." sections but what I found was that especially when it came to whatever was supplying the "mall" area there would be not enough green circuits for one section and then the other circuit plants would be totally and completely jammed. So it looks like I'll just have to make a bus and just add a dedicated green circuit plant that will supply everything to the proper areas.
Always give yourself more space than you think. Go look up what a main bus factory is and do that. There are other ways to make a factory but main bus is simple. Don't be afraid to look up blueprints for stuff you don't want to figure out from scratch.
ignore the initial spaghetti by coping: "it's just the starter base bro"
