I think No Mutants Allowed are so stuck in their ways that even the most armor-piercing argument against Fallout1/2 would still be met with "at least it's not Bethesda, lol".
'Leave Bethesda alone!' spergfest aside, they didn't sign off on it because they thought it was great, they made it because they were desperately trying to stay afloat by shitting out console games with a stolen engine as fast as possible. It didn't work.
Well, Bethesda didn't crap out Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel, a game so bad it's been stricken from the canon, to the point where not even Fallout: New Vegas (a game made BY the Obsidian/Black Isle Devs) mentions it happened. That's way worse than anything Bethesda ever did.
They could have just finished Van Buren and released it during that time period. And it wasn't like Fallout was their only title. That, and they could have handed the rights to a console Fallout game to a better studio. It didn't have to be THAT shit, now did it?
Chris Avellone helped write New Vegas, and I don't think he works in Obsidian anymore. However, Josh Sawyer is still with Obsidian, isn't he? But yes, this is why I no longer have any faith in modern Obsidian. They've entered the early stages of the same disease that took Bioware and Blizzard. They're no better than the Fallout: Frontier devs who wouldn't let you play as the Enclave because "MUH FASCIST POWER FANTASY!" It's sad, really, because I really loved KOTOR 2 and FNV, and to see the people who gave me those games devolve into the same SJWs who took over Bioware and Blizzard is just.......disgusting.
Old World Blues is the best Fallout content there is. Silly, zany, fun, and you get a lot of cool shit. On FO3 DLCs, I'm more partial to Operation Anchorage, mostly because I walk away with a shit ton of power armor and cool gear. But yes, FO3 is better than 4, and is not a bad game in its own right.
I always play the DLCs first, then I cheese through the main game with all the DLC gear. I blew through most of the sidequests while using DLC weapons. By the time I met James in that vault with the simulation, I was decked in Enclave Tesla Armor (There's a Tesla Armor set in Mothership Zeta) and I was wielding the upgraded plasma rifle that synth from Rivet City gives to you as a gift.
Company months away from bankruptcy isn't making the best decisions. Shocker. F3 got fucked because lead people like Avellone and Sawyer left Black Isle, and then Interplay ran out of money and laid off the leftovers. There was nobody left to finish it.
So basically, Van Buren was fucked. All those "we could have gotten Van Buren if it wasn't for stinky, mean Bethesda" people were talking out of their asses.
I still don't buy it. There were more than enough third-party companies that could have made a good Fallout action game, like say, Midway. Midway's Gauntlet Dark Legacy would be a good base to make a Fallout game set in a radioactive hellhole, considering that game was a top-down adventure game where you upgrade your character and mash your way through hordes of baddies.
that's the thing you can't convince enclave because they are literally hell bent on "purifying" the wastes, the master is a former caravan niaaa, unlike richardson which is born in the enclave, practically fucking north korea. also teh master has increased intelligence too, IQ was the first thing to dwindle on the nuclear fallout it seems, by the way i haven't seen in the recent pages no one saying morrowind/oblivion are masterpieces, only faggits say this shit or maybe it was some faggots on the older pages. one thing i also noted is that godd todd has specific views for game design that technically conflict with the FO established universe, so much so that he created a canon-conflict black hole in the TES series which is practically his (dragon break) while FO gets absofuckinglutely nothing, people dissed him on FO3 because of the vanilla game gay-ass ending and NV practically raping FO3's dialogue and roleplay capabilities which got him pissy AF, people still dissed him on FO4 because of his tardness of going for emotional bullshit cards and narrative while zenimax saw the cash cow that is the fallout IP and released the atrocious FO76 which should be on a parallel universe where vault tec gives a shit about functional vaults and the american people rather than caring little for these vaults and building moar test vaults along with their secret one which went tits up because karma is a bitch.
i ain't seeing no one fellatiating them, they are saying they did hit and miss things whereas beth mostly missed with the FO thing for todd's own machinations due to his conflicting view on how to deal with the game, it's s'posed to be post apocalyptic and people trying to rebuild even with massive odds stacked against them and factions aren't perfect, each with their strengths and weaknesses because """"roleplay""""", not wishy-washy comic villany potentials "you wouldn't understand" and nuking around like a complete retard because you found a nukeolar launch code under a rug. don't even get me started on the COVID healing crystals of mind control.
I don't think so. If you can talk down a mutated piece of shit that has IQ off the roof and a super mutant army of his own, you can talk down some dipshit politician. Especially when the Enclave is too small to repopulate the whole world. They'd sooner die from inbreeding before they manage to populate one state, let alone all 50 or even the whole world. Their plan lacks common sense, so it shouldn't be that hard for a Chosen One to talk down Richardson, especially since it's not that hard to persuade them that you're one of them to begin with.
The Fallout Bible is basically the equivalent of a 40K novel: it's a nice idea bucket they take from, but it's not binding canon at all.
Then that makes Bethesda's Fallout 3 even better, because as basic as the story was, it was nowhere near the abortion that the story of Fallout BoS was.
The Enclave was even more comically evil in Fallout 2 than it was in 3. At least in 3, Autumn just wants to play warlord and recruit wastelanders to America's cause, while Eden just wants a localized genocide in the capital wasteland to make room for pure humans to settle in. Richardson wanted to kill all mutated creatures across the globe, which makes him far more of a comic villain than Eden ever was.
People like that can easily be manipulated. I mean, shit, their science team managed to turn a formula that creates mutants into a formula that kills mutants. If they put their brains to it, they might even come up with something that cures mutation outright. It's usually harder to turn the true believers who are actually quite knowledgeable, whereas an idiot who's read nothing but propaganda would get shattered the moment they see someone who can prove them wrong. I've seen it happen in real life more than once. Idiots and dipshits can easily be manipulated. It's the true believers who are actually smart who stick to their guns because their intelligence has made them arrogant. I mean, heck, if I had a female Chosen One who was drop-dead gorgeous, she'd prove to Richardson that she's as human as he is by plowing him then and there. He'll be too distracted by pussy to go forward with his genocide plan, especially if it involves killing hot chicks like the one he just banged.
I don't think so. Richardson being a man of beliefs doesn't mean he can't be talked down. If he was smart and zealous at the same time, then yes, I can accept that he can't, but if he's just some stupid politician who takes in nothing but propaganda, it shouldn't be that hard to twist him. Especially since most of the people at the top of the food chain in such a state know that more than half the crap they preach is bullshit. I can understand the average Enclave goon like Frank Horrigan buying into their lies, but the top brass, the elite? They know better than most that their propaganda is false more than half the time.
Given how he can practically tear Deathclaws apart, I can't see the Enclave being able to put Frank Horrigan down. You need base turrets and the help of an entire fire team to just stand a chance against the guy. He'd probably end up slaughtering everyone on the Oil Rig. Not to mention that if they do get close to killing him, he has the Oil Rig's self-destruct codes on himself, so he can easily destroy their base of operations if they turn on him. I can't see the Enclave leaders being real believers in human purity when the fucking self-destruct button for their whole base is in the hands of a mutant.
Sounds more like Black Isle was getting lazy with Richardson. And considering how the Chosen One looks the same as any human, a gorgeous female Chosen One stripping in front of Richardson would get his hormones to replace what meager brain functions he has. Even someone with 8 charisma would be able to turn Richardson into a tongue-wagging doggie. I can understand Frank Horrigan being immune to that, but Frank doesn't run the Enclave. Once Richardson sees how beautiful outside humans can be, his dick will do the thinking, and he'd end up concluding that mutated humans are humans too, especially after one plows him.
