Fallout series

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

Was he prepared? I got the impression he absolutely wasn't, given that he had to jury-rig up a Tesla Cannon out of scrap while he was there. He also apparently wandered there by accident somehow. It was Ulysses that came deliberately looking for the place.

Really? I seriously need to play OWB again. But you'd think Elijah would have been the one looking for it given his obsession with tech.

In fact the wiki kinda contradicts itself on this point. On the Big MT page it states he went there specifically looking for weapons to take out the NCR, but on Elijah's page it says he stumbled onto it. Could be a combination of both, with Elijah just kinda looking for tech and stumbling across it in Big MT. Of course Big MT was were he learned of the tech in the Sierra Madre, which the Think Tank sold to them to help secure funding.
Ulysses was following the storms from the Divide which were being caused by the X-17 Meteorological Station.

Either way, I'd say he was prepared enough given what he did to the Think Tank.

 

[Snekposter]

Really? I seriously need to play OWB again. But you'd think Elijah would have been the one looking for it given his obsession with tech.

In fact the wiki kinda contradicts itself on this point. On the Big MT page it states he went there specifically looking for weapons to take out the NCR, but on Elijah's page it says he stumbled onto it. Could be a combination of both, with Elijah just kinda looking for tech and stumbling across it in Big MT. Of course Big MT was were he learned of the tech in the Sierra Madre, which the Think Tank sold to them to help secure funding.
Ulysses was following the storms from the Divide which were being caused by the X-17 Meteorological Station.

Either way, I'd say he was prepared enough given what he did to the Think Tank.

Yeah, I looked and found that info myself. And yeah, he definitely was. But as Veronica points out in dialogue, the man had an instinctive knack for technology. What it could do, how it could be taken apart and reassembled... The Big MT was practically a toy box for him. If only he didn't have to worry about the Think Tank...

 

[Cod of War]

Oh I know.

Kinda funny how the West Coast games never really dabbled in romance in regards to the player character, which I think is fine by me.

Speaking of, I recently discovered the Willow mod and my God that shit is just downright cringe. "Oh, she eats dog treats and carries around stuffed animals! Isn't she so quirky and endearing?"

Want more cringe and unnecessary shit, try Vanessa

 

[z0mb0]

That's the scary thing, Elijah came there completely fucking prepared for what he was about to encounter. And he fucked some shit up for an old man. He was like an elderly technophile Batman with a Gauss rifle.
Honestly it always kinda sucked that you couldn't talk him down in Dead Money. It would have to be hard, like Lanius at the Dam levels of hard, but they really should have given you the option to reason the old fucker into fucking off or maybe even agreeing to work for you. He could stay i the old BoS bunker and cook up some shit for you. Come and visit from time to time, he might have chems, he might have weapons, or armor, or ammo, or something worth your while.
Yeah, I know you can't talk EVERYONE down, but if you could talk down someone as crazy and violent as Lanius you should have no problem talking down someone as crazy as Elijah.

And I will again bitch about the fact that you couldn't reunite Christine with Veronica. That was some fucking bullshit.

The reason it makes sense for him to be able to rip through big mt like that and why he's such a dangerous person in game is the same reason he can't be talked down. He's got every reason to think he's going to win, he's unhinged, and he's obsessed. Him getting beat by falling into a trap is a way more satisfying ending for him than hanging out being the players RnD guy.

 

[Stoneheart]

but on Elijah's page it says he stumbled onto it.

well that can mean alot of things...

 

[AmpleApricots]

I always sided with House since he seemed the most reasonable choice for the area. I also always invariably grew too greedy for power and then claimed the throne for myself. Dude couldn't even write some hardware drivers for his robots in all that time, what good could he possibly be?

I never played all the DLCs and I think it'd be a good time to revisit. The nice thing about NV is you don't need hundreds of mods to make it enjoyable.

 

[Trash Puppet]

I always sided with House since he seemed the most reasonable choice for the area. I also always invariably grew too greedy for power and then claimed the throne for myself. Dude couldn't even write some hardware drivers for his robots in all that time, what good could he possibly be?

I never played all the DLCs and I think it'd be a good time to revisit. The nice thing about NV is you don't need hundreds of mods to make it enjoyable.

The way I see it is that Mr. House basically wants New Vegas to be his "snow globe" irl. He wants everything to be how he ideally envisions it, admiring it from afar. Like shaking up a snow globe and watching it go. I don't think that's necessarily a good thing.

 

[Lone Star]

The way I see it is that Mr. House basically wants New Vegas to be his "snow globe" irl. He wants everything to be how he ideally envisions it, admiring it from afar. Like shaking up a snow globe and watching it go. I don't think that's necessarily a good thing.

But shaking a snowglobe doesn't actually change the little scenery inside of it. Besides, it'd cost needless money if he just shook shit up at random, so he'd try to be as efficient as possible.

 

[Trash Puppet]

But shaking a snowglobe doesn't actually change the little scenery inside of it. Besides, it'd cost needless money if he just shook shit up at random, so he'd try to be as efficient as possible.

I probably could have worded it better

 

[z0mb0]

The way I see it is that Mr. House basically wants New Vegas to be his "snow globe" irl. He wants everything to be how he ideally envisions it, admiring it from afar. Like shaking up a snow globe and watching it go. I don't think that's necessarily a good thing.

you right, a distant dude with god like power expecting New Vegas to be his perfect little model/curiosity and not a living territory is terrifying.

 

[Overcast]

I always loved how none of the paths in New Vegas are ideal by any means.

NCR is run by corrupt and incompetent politicians and figureheads.

Caesar’s Legion relies on Caesar not croaking to keep itself together.

House requires you to buy into his ideas and trust him not to do something abhorrent with the power he wields.

And Independent is fairly reliant on the Courier not being a sociopath or a complete moron, as well as hoping Yes Man doesn’t go rogue on him/her.

 

[Ita Mori]

I disagree. House isn't limiting himself to Vegas. He states he wants to take mankind beyond this gay earth and into the stars. Vegas is his home, but only a starting place for a much grander vision and design.

The man has God delusions in a very peculiar way. He does not want the asspats and adoration of the plebs, but he does want the glory and to shape humanity under his creed and dogma.

Nevertheless, I'll take a libertarian monarchist over the rest.

 

[Shidoen]

If Caesar dies, his ways won’t.

 

[CWCissey]

If Caesar dies, his ways won’t.

They'll just be bastardised by his successor.

 

[Shidoen]

They'll just be bastardised by his successor.

That’s how we got into this mess called the “21st Century”. Caesar chose an ancient but effective society so the progress to a corrupt democracy, like the NCR, would be slow and tedious but just enough to reform the States.

 

[The handsome tard]

Really? I seriously need to play OWB again. But you'd think Elijah would have been the one looking for it given his obsession with tech.

In fact the wiki kinda contradicts itself on this point. On the Big MT page it states he went there specifically looking for weapons to take out the NCR, but on Elijah's page it says he stumbled onto it. Could be a combination of both, with Elijah just kinda looking for tech and stumbling across it in Big MT. Of course Big MT was were he learned of the tech in the Sierra Madre, which the Think Tank sold to them to help secure funding.
Ulysses was following the storms from the Divide which were being caused by the X-17 Meteorological Station.

Either way, I'd say he was prepared enough given what he did to the Think Tank.

Man, I love how all these DLCs are connected one way or the other and form a grand narrative when put together. Its honestly kind of genius.

If Caesar dies, his ways won’t.

The smartest characters in the game predict the Legion will fall apart slowly but surely once Ceasar kicks the bucket. He will be replaced by incompetent leadership who wont be able to carry the same level of charisma and intelligence as him. I almost see the relationship of Ceasar and Lanius like a Lenin and Stalin situation. The former was the political leader, the latter was the military one. Once the former kicked the bucket, the latter takes over and is clearly not capable of leading without constantly going down into demonstrations of strength and violence (which will seal the Legion's fate in the long term). Its something that has happened multiple times through history and the Legion is no exception. Ceasar seems to kind of ignore he is comitting similar mistakes as the actual Julius Ceasar.

You kind of get the feeling that the Legion is really kind of desperate to take the Dam because they need it to solidify a good base to build the empire further. The NCR is in a similar boat but not as desperate, they have California to retreat back if they lose the Dam. A defeat at Hoover Dam will be an inconvenience for the NCR long term (I almost argue that they may even come off stronger from it since they wont be so over stretched anymore) and a death sentence for the Legion long term.

And Independent is fairly reliant on the Courier not being a sociopath or a complete moron, as well as hoping Yes Man doesn’t go rogue on him/her.

Honestly, Yes Man saying he will get a new programming to make himself more "assertive" always sounded very omnious to me. Almost like the game was saying "What? You thought Independence would the golden ending? No...you possibly just fucked the Mojave more than the NCR, Legion and House ever could".

Now yeah, you could say this "oh my courier this and that" but ultimately thats where the game ends, if it would lead to something bad, we wont ever know.

Lol, Nexus Mods disabled my mods but who cares. Bethesda is doing a way better job at mod upkeep ironically.

Hey you can always share them here, lol

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Honestly, Yes Man saying he will get a new programming to make himself more "assertive" always sounded very omnious to me. Almost like the game was saying "What? You thought Independence would the golden ending? No...you possibly just fucked the Mojave more than the NCR, Legion and House ever could".

That quote was ambiguous. I remember reading one of those writer groups for the game and he said about Yes Man's assertive thing gonna be only recieve orders from you. And that's understandable since we know how Yes Man revealed the entire plan Benny was working for years.
More than that, Anarchism in a post-apocaliptic world can work. And that's why is my favorite ending; fuck democracy, fuck totalitarism and fuck autocracy.

 

[The handsome tard]

That quote was ambiguous. I remember reading one of those writer groups for the game and he said about Yes Man's assertive thing gonna be only recieve orders from you. And that's understandable since we know how Yes Man revealed the entire plan Benny was working for years.
More than that, Anarchism in a post-apocaliptic world can work. And that's why is my favorite ending; fuck democracy, fuck totalitarism and fuck autocracy.

"Can" and "will" work are two different things.

And yeah, Im not saying that something bad IS going to happen but I dont think that these devs put that line in there without a reason. Its even worse when Yes Man deep down hates you for doing dumb/evil/self sabotaging shit like blowing up the Securitron army for no particular reason so what honestly stops him from removing you from the picture? You might be a deranged mailman but you cant take on all those securitrons.

 

[Shidoen]

I still say caesar for the win, mostly because I have the caesar pin.

 

[TVStactic]

Lol, Nexus Mods disabled my mods but who cares. Bethesda is doing a way better job at mod upkeep ironically.

come again?
they disabled your mod folder or the mods you've uploaded? because both sound really stupid.

I think you've got it backwards.

Elijah royally fucked their shit up but good.

Nigger, they saw elijah as a kid claiming "gimme my tech", that's why they made 0 and 8 in charge of dealing with him even when he broke the train system, with 8 having his soundboard reprogrammed by elijah when he threw a tantrum.
while ulysses wasn't saw as that, you can get that piece of dialogue from borous, klein and mobius when asking about the other lobotomites at the think tank area and at mobius's lab once you go there to talk to him.

and on the think tank part, is there an explanation that biogel works differently per brain? if you do the rex quest the doctor will tell you that rex's brain has normal neuro-degeneration from being immersed in biogel for too long, while the think tank doesn't and robobrains seem to be affected mostly by the programming and the brain donor's previous life rather than the gel itself.