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Yeah, I get that House is a great visionary but at that point this question comes up: why not just get Courier 6 to do it? House talks a big game about how he's going to transform the world and get us to space but paying attention to the details reveals a pretty simple plan.
1) Get robot army
2) Fleece off your tourist trap to build a rocket
3) go to space.
I might be oversimplifying but we've got the bullet points nailed down right there. A courier who wants to see this plan for off can easily do this just like House and get the profits to themselves in that case just like anyone else without having some beef jerky asshole bossing them around especially since the tech sector is rebuilding already regardless of what house is doing. The NCR has the OSR, the followers of the apocalypse are major tech junkies who would gleefully give themselves up to somebody who will sponsor them and the mojave brotherhood of steel are in more of a position to reform than we give them credit for, especially under McNamara.
Mostly out of debt, and the fact Yes Man is extremely suspect. House did save your life, and you know you can actually trust him. Yes Man feels like he is Skynet waiting to happen. The Brotherhood of Steel are technological luddites, and very nearly murdered Veronica due to their beliefs. They also strap a bomb collar to your neck the first time you meet them, and try to have you murder someone for them. The Brotherhood of Steel is never going to become like The Followers of the Apocalypse. There will be too much infighting, and quite a few revolts or attempts to wrest control from others. They're religious zealots at heart.
 
Courier 6 is literally a one-man army and death incarnate.
Or he's just a guy who can run fast and talk well.

Securitrons may be powerful, but they aren't very quick on the draw. All it really takes to get from the penthouse to the life support chamber is sprinting and typing on a couple terminals. House gets killed because he let an untrustworthy person into his tower.
 
Ah, one of the things which i liked of FNV was the versality of how the main plot goes.
You can between support either main faction or go nuts/fuck them in a independent way, the benny's way.
 
Or he's just a guy who can run fast and talk well.

Securitrons may be powerful, but they aren't very quick on the draw. All it really takes to get from the penthouse to the life support chamber is sprinting and typing on a couple terminals. House gets killed because he let an untrustworthy person into his tower.
Mostly because he had been monitoring Courier 6 since the beginning and even saved his life. He didn't have much reason to believe you would betray him. After all, you wouldn't even be there without him. You would still be buried somewhere near Goodsprings.
 
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Mostly because he had been monitoring Courier 6 since the beginning and even saved his life. He didn't have much reason to believe you would betray him. After all, you wouldn't even be there without him. You would still be buried somewhere near Goodsprings.
He didn't expect Benny to betray him, either. The hazards of a tribal workforce, I suppose...
 
He didn't expect Benny to betray him, either. The hazards of a tribal workforce, I suppose...
I don't get why House doesn't hire a load of Mercenaries to storm the Tops and secure the Platinum Chip by force.

As mentioned repeatedly, the chip is the lynchpin in his schemes that allow House some semblance of actually winning the conflict and preventing the NCR from rolling over the Strip once their finished with the Legion.

If you say that would be a Treaty violation with one of the Families I would agree, but then the Courier can go from the Lucky 38 over to the Tops, gun down Benny and any Chairmen that aid him, and walk back to the 38 with no problem whatsoever.

In fact you can deal with the other 2 Families the same way, you can single handily wipe out the White Glove Society and the Omertas with some justifications to House (the White Gloves were about to reengage in cannibalism and the Omerta was planning treason against the Strip. And you can wipe out the rest of the Families publicly so it is not like House has some great desire to keep the violence under wrap.
 
I don't get why House doesn't hire a load of Mercenaries to storm the Tops and secure the Platinum Chip by force.

As mentioned repeatedly, the chip is the lynchpin in his schemes that allow House some semblance of actually winning the conflict and preventing the NCR from rolling over the Strip once their finished with the Legion.

If you say that would be a Treaty violation with one of the Families I would agree, but then the Courier can go from the Lucky 38 over to the Tops, gun down Benny and any Chairmen that aid him, and walk back to the 38 with no problem whatsoever.

In fact you can deal with the other 2 Families the same way, you can single handily wipe out the White Glove Society and the Omertas with some justifications to House (the White Gloves were about to reengage in cannibalism and the Omerta was planning treason against the Strip. And you can wipe out the rest of the Families publicly so it is not like House has some great desire to keep the violence under wrap.
Because any overt moves like that would have Benny put a gun to the chip. The Courier is just one man and unlikely to raise attention entering the casinos. There is a minor plot hole where Benny doesn't know the Courier is back even after they enter the Lucky 38, because word on the Strip gets around, and Yes Man should be feeding him telemetry. Mostly because the Courier he shot and left for dead entering the Lucky 38 should be a clear sign House knows the Chip has been snatched.
 
Because any overt moves like that would have Benny put a gun to the chip. The Courier is just one man and unlikely to raise attention entering the casinos. There is a minor plot hole where Benny doesn't know the Courier is back even after they enter the Lucky 38, because word on the Strip gets around, and Yes Man should be feeding him telemetry. Mostly because the Courier he shot and left for dead entering the Lucky 38 should be a clear sign House knows the Chip has been snatched.
I guess.

On another note, the way that House handles the other 3 Families casts additional skepticism on any plans he has on ruling New Vegas and trying to go after his Space Snake oil.

His chosen lieutenant, Benny, backstabs him in the worst way imaginable and puts House in the worst position since the time Platinum Chip didn't arrive before the Nukes flew.

He makes the Omertas, already described as bloodthirsty and untrustworthy as tribals, and modeled them on prewar gangsters that by their very nature operate by subverting authority for their own gain out of a sense of prewar nostalgia. This allows for a the Omertas to become fifth columnist overnight as soon as a strong enough outside faction tries to work with them (the Legion)

Finally, the White Glove Society, a group of cannibals in their tribal days (because that's a group you should work with), is rapidly relapsing into their tribal ways which again allows outside factions to exploit to create more traitors (still kind of weird that the Legion accepts cannibalism though) and fully turn against the simple stipulation in their contract not to eat people.

So 2 (3 if you count Benny which I do) out of the 3 Families turn against House and his rules. Which really doesn't show how great of a leader he his when running a country. If House can't control a bunch of upstart tribals tuned casino owners, it really throws doubt on his ability to control New Vegas and the wider Mojave area for a long period of time.
 
I guess.

On another note, the way that House handles the other 3 Families casts additional skepticism on any plans he has on ruling New Vegas and trying to go after his Space Snake oil.

His chosen lieutenant, Benny, backstabs him in the worst way imaginable and puts House in the worst position since the time Platinum Chip didn't arrive before the Nukes flew.

He makes the Omertas, already described as bloodthirsty and untrustworthy as tribals, and modeled them on prewar gangsters that by their very nature operate by subverting authority for their own gain out of a sense of prewar nostalgia. This allows for a the Omertas to become fifth columnist overnight as soon as a strong enough outside faction tries to work with them (the Legion)

Finally, the White Glove Society, a group of cannibals in their tribal days (because that's a group you should work with), is rapidly relapsing into their tribal ways which again allows outside factions to exploit to create more traitors (still kind of weird that the Legion accepts cannibalism though) and fully turn against the simple stipulation in their contract not to eat people.

So 2 (3 if you count Benny which I do) out of the 3 Families turn against House and his rules. Which really doesn't show how great of a leader he his when running a country. If House can't control a bunch of upstart tribals tuned casino owners, it really throws doubt on his ability to control New Vegas and the wider Mojave area for a long period of time.
I'd argue a lot of the issue is caused by his inability to walk around and confirm it himself. House is utterly reliant on others to be boots on the ground while he is stuck in the gilded jail cell that is the Lucky 38 until the Courier intervenes, and even then the Courier could backstab him with barely any repercussions. Look at the big fat nothing that happens when you kill House.
 
I'd argue a lot of the issue is caused by his inability to walk around and confirm it himself. House is utterly reliant on others to be boots on the ground while he is stuck in the gilded jail cell that is the Lucky 38 until the Courier intervenes, and even then the Courier could backstab him with barely any repercussions. Look at the big fat nothing that happens when you kill House.
There's no problem being reliant on others to do things yourself. It's just that House relies solely on one person to do his legwork, diplomacy, and warfare. And the people he chooses to put into positions of power, however much he disregards them, are the most awful choices. If you won't kill him as his second, your replacement likely will. Fucking horrible judge of character.

House is a lot like our modern big money people, probably because he was based on them: he thinks he's smarter and more capable than he actually is on account of some previous success he has yet to replicate and likely wasn't completely his.
 
There's no problem being reliant on others to do things yourself. It's just that House relies solely on one person to do his legwork, diplomacy, and warfare. And the people he chooses to put into positions of power, however much he disregards them, are the most awful choices.
This is part of the character. He is meant to be an absolute tyrant and treat the player like dogshit purposefully to drive you into making a hard choice to obey him. Many dialog choices with Mr House literally result in him having his Securitrons open fire on you until you are dead. Essentially forcing the player into a different faction's main quest line from that point onward. If you choose the Mr House ending you are meant to be his lapdog. It is meant to be demeaning to serve Mr House. His arrogance is designed to be his downfall.

But it is also implied that Mr House is desperate. That the Legion and NCR warring against each other represents a major threat that he has not seen in decades. And he wants to consolidate his power immediately before a major faction can control the Hoover Dam and the Strip together. Like part of House's long term planning is getting rid of any potential future rival. Hence him not allowing the player to spare the Brotherhood of Steel.
If you won't kill him as his second, your replacement likely will. Fucking horrible judge of character.
You ARE the replacement in Fallout New Vegas. Benny was the head of the Tops Casino and was trusted by Mr House to run a massive amount of business on the Strip including a major gambling operation. Benny instead uses a pulse grenade to disable a Securitron then hires someone to reprogram it into becoming Yes Man. Benny was on his way to using the Platinum Chip to control the Securitron army but proves incapable himself and is captured. By taking the Yes Man approach you are essentially following in Benny's footsteps then completing his goal of ownership of New Vegas.
House is a lot like our modern big money people, probably because he was based on them: he thinks he's smarter and more capable than he actually is on account of some previous success he has yet to replicate and likely wasn't completely his.
I think the House endings all say something like "Mr House was proud that his choice of second in command accomplished all this". Like it was his recognition and choice that was the real brains behind the operation.

House is a hilarious character. His obsession with keeping the casinos open and people gambling and drinking instead of cleaning up the Wasteland is like the modern casino owner living in crime filled Vegas turned up to the most extreme.
 
This is part of the character. He is meant to be an absolute tyrant and treat the player like dogshit purposefully to drive you into making a hard choice to obey him. Many dialog choices with Mr House literally result in him having his Securitrons open fire on you until you are dead. Essentially forcing the player into a different faction's main quest line from that point onward. If you choose the Mr House ending you are meant to be his lapdog. It is meant to be demeaning to serve Mr House. His arrogance is designed to be his downfall.
What are you talking about? He's not like that at all, and killing the Brotherhood isn't a hard choice either. The only way he'll open fire on you is you mock him and basically say you'll betray him. Also, if you have bad karma when you do his ending, it'll even literally say he gives the Courier every luxury possible out of fear he'll be turned on.
 
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House is a hilarious character. His obsession with keeping the casinos open and people gambling and drinking instead of cleaning up the Wasteland is like the modern casino owner living in crime filled Vegas turned up to the most extreme.
House also wants to diversify into things besides just casinos once he's managed to secure his position. Unless you think the man who founded RobCo Robotics and basically supercharged the Pre-War industrial base of the USA (at a massive cost to the labor force, admittedly, but that's much less of an issue in the world of Fallout) isn't going to get back into cranking out various work bots. New Vegas Steel is still functioning, after all and H&H Tools is unpillaged thanks to the trap network, and you bet your ass the NCR is going to want to buy steel so they can rebuild their own industry in places like the Boneyard. Keep in mind the New Vegas area was a surprisingly large industrial center during WW2 thanks to all of the power Hoover Dam had, and I doubt it would be any different during the Great War for obvious reasons, especially given the energy crunch.
 
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Going to start a Fallout 2 playthrough instead. Since I want to test out the restore content mod, and it's been years. Github has a new version.
 
You know, as much iconic the ending of F1 is, you must wonder...

Is the overseer a selfish bastard who wants to keep in control of his increasingly rebellious people or a good but misguided leader who is simply too concerned over the lives of those under his responsibility that he cant fanthom the possibility that the wasteland might be entirely hopeless to build a new life on?
 
You know, as much iconic the ending of F1 is, you must wonder...

Is the overseer a selfish bastard who wants to keep in control of his increasingly rebellious people or a good but misguided leader who is simply too concerned over the lives of those under his responsibility that he cant fanthom the possibility that the wasteland might be entirely hopeless to build a new life on?
Both.
I just love how the game ends with: "You're a hero... and you'll have to leave".
At least in the Vault Dweller Memories he doesn't went to the wasteland alone.
 
Both.
I just love how the game ends with: "You're a hero... and you'll have to leave".
At least in the Vault Dweller Memories he doesn't went to the wasteland alone.
Yeah. There's a quest to convince a rebellious faction to stick around and trust the overseer. Pretty sure that the VD just went to those guys and said, "Hey, I was wrong, the Overseer is a douchebag so let's get the fuck out of here and start a new life outside."
 
Yeah. There's a quest to convince a rebellious faction to stick around and trust the overseer. Pretty sure that the VD just went to those guys and said, "Hey, I was wrong, the Overseer is a douchebag so let's get the fuck out of here and start a new life outside."

Doesn't someone in Fallout 2 mention a revolt where the Overseer was killed, and now they rely on an AI?
 
Doesn't someone in Fallout 2 mention a revolt where the Overseer was killed, and now they rely on an AI?
Yeah. The Overseer did some great crime that was lost to history (like say hypothetically, exile the person who saved everyone from certain death), and was executed for it by the vault dwellers, and then they decided to just get a fancy AI from the BoS to run the Vault instead of overseers.
 
Yeah. The Overseer did some great crime that was lost to history (like say hypothetically, exile the person who saved everyone from certain death), and was executed for it by the vault dwellers, and then they decided to just get a fancy AI from the BoS to run the Vault instead of overseers.
dummy slave faggots deserved to get ENCLAVED
mindless sheep lusting for their own subjugation
 
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