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Aren't those tactics exactly why they're losing so bad it only worked with the brotherhood and raiders because they're so small in numbers and/or under equipped the legion are (despite what reddit would have you believe) a competent well equipped military force large in numbers with talented military commanders running circles around Oliver and a very developed intelligence network running circles around anything the ncr could muster in that field
The legions strength are their numbers and their hit and run tactics. Granted you have to use your imagination lore wise to reimagine how large both the NCR and Legion are. Remember the NCR is being held back by poor supply lines as the long 15 tends to take forever. The NCR and Legion we're supposed to have alot more lines and areas in the original new Vegas.
TLDR there was alot of cut content from the game that would have delved deeper into ceasers legion as well as more of the NCR. Mr house could become a NCR citizen and etc...
 
The legions strength are their numbers and their hit and run tactics. Granted you have to use your imagination lore wise to reimagine how large both the NCR and Legion are. Remember the NCR is being held back by poor supply lines as the long 15 tends to take forever. The NCR and Legion we're supposed to have alot more lines and areas in the original new Vegas.
TLDR there was alot of cut content from the game that would have delved deeper into ceasers legion as well as more of the NCR. Mr house could become a NCR citizen and etc...
i though mr house surrendering to the ncr was cut because it would undermine his character and betray his conviction in his beliefs
 
i though mr house surrendering to the ncr was cut because it would undermine his character and betray his conviction in his beliefs
No it was played as another long game tactic IIRC.

House would use his NCR citizenship to run for office and become an autocrat that way.
 
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Aren't those tactics exactly why they're losing so bad it only worked with the brotherhood and raiders because they're so small in numbers and/or under equipped the legion are (despite what reddit would have you believe) a competent well equipped military force large in numbers with talented military commanders running circles around Oliver and a very developed intelligence network running circles around anything the ncr could muster in that field
Actually, no. Gotta keep in mind that unlike the Roman legions proper Caesar's Legion only fights with what it can carry with it or loot from its conquests. While that's a lot, they have no real resupply of manpower or materiel losses, unlike the NCR who can pump in conscripts from their urban areas and weapons and equipment via the Crimson Caravan and Gun Runners. Granted, their logistical chains are a mess due to the raider threat in the Vegas area as well as the fact there's only the one road to there, but its still a better supply chain than the Legion's. There's a reason one of the persuasion lines with Lanius at the end points out how the destruction the Legion wrought on the New Vegas area will hinder all attempts to keep advancing.

As to Oliver, the man isn't as dumb as people say he is. Unimaginative and boastful, but given the sorry state of the NCR prior to the Courier solving problems for them, a holding pattern is really all they can do. There's a reason Hsu sends just the one Ranger to Vault 3, and it isn't because one Ranger was all the job needed.
 
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Also the Legion has fear on their side, while the powder gangers and convicts are smashing shit up and House's internal situation is a mess with all three families on the verge of revolting or plotting. There isn't some brave Spartacus revolt resisting the legion and if the NCR attacks the Legion will likely use slaves as a literal human shield to soak up bullets
 
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Actually, no. Gotta keep in mind that unlike the Roman legions proper Caesar's Legion only fights with what it can carry with it or loot from its conquests. While that's a lot, they have no real resupply of manpower or materiel losses,
doesn't stop them from never seeming short on either just ask those hit-squads and the centurions wit with anti-material rifles at hoover dam
unlike the NCR who can pump in conscripts from their urban areas and weapons and equipment via the Crimson Caravan and Gun Runners. Granted, their logistical chains are a mess due to the raider threat in the Vegas area as well as the fact there's only the one road to there, but its still a better supply chain than the Legion's.
yet they are completely incapable of meaningfully leveraging it all the way to the battle of hoover dam probably because they're incapable of not stretching themselves well beyond what they can handle the Mojave included
As to Oliver, the man isn't as dumb as people say he is. Unimaginative and boastful, but given the sorry state of the NCR prior to the Courier solving problems for them, a holding pattern is really all they can do. There's a reason Hsu sends just the one Ranger to Vault 3, and it isn't because one Ranger was all the job needed.
Oliver is literally the reason the ncr's position is so fucked at the beginning of the game he's so obsessed with gaining personal glory in some decisive battle that he just all the problems of the Mojave run roughshod over them because he'd rather just throw waves of soldiers at the dam in an attritional slugfest with the legion than attempt to press or leverage literally any advantage, fucks overt his most effective fighting force in the rangers out of petty spite and even his pet project heavy troopers are too busy acting at the whims of cattle barons to deal with all 5 raiders who are still active in California by now one of the options to talk lanius out of fighting is convincing him this must be a trap because there's no way hoover dam could be this incompetently defended when the actual truth is just that general Oliver is seriously that fucking terrible at his job
 
I do like how despite everyone being able to pick grand canyon sized holes in New Vegas' plot, nobody wants to actually come forward and actually say the whole thing was bullshit because it shows that New Vegas was all about the 'space cowboy / Firefly' tier vibe rather than the actual story or gameplay.
now you you're just a contrarian
 
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Is Ulysses meant to be such a melodramatic hypocrite? Because I just finished replaying Lonesome Road and I forgot how long and rambling Ulysses was on the war and how tragic the fate of his tribe was at the hands of the Legion (despite inflicting that fate on others, like the New Canaanites)
pretty much he's basically like that crazy conspiracy schitzo that insists nothing can be a coincidence and that "it's all connected man!" when in reality he just can't accept the idea that shit happens sometimes you even have the choice as a player to deconfirm that you were even the guy to deliver the detonator if you want
 
Lonesome Road is odd to me because it felt contradictory to how the Courier was set up in the base game to have as little a backstory as possible to allow the most roleplay potential only for it to try and give the Courier a backstory. Glad the player has the option to reject it just in case they don't want that as apart of their characters backstory but it felt like a bit of wasted effort, especially seeing how all the other DLCs were building up to it.
I guess it is funny now in most of my playthroughs Ulysses is just some schizo who's accusing my character of something he didn't even do and my character is just confused the entire time. Mind telling my friend how I played Lonesome Road and he went "You gaslit Ulysses lol."
 
Is Ulysses meant to be such a melodramatic hypocrite? Because I just finished replaying Lonesome Road and I forgot how long and rambling Ulysses was on the war and how tragic the fate of his tribe was at the hands of the Legion (despite inflicting that fate on others, like the New Canaanites)
kinda, he's how the Player character looks to an outside observer in the world with just as ludicrous of a background leading up to the big fight.
 
Honestly people crap on the NCR at times but as a faction lore wise they're the Soviet union in WW2 of fallout. They can just throw men with rifles, mortars/light artillery and solve all their problems.

The funny thing is that they had to make a DLC to properly explain how the NCR is realistically losing to a bunch of roman cosplayers who prefer spears and melee over guns. They had to basically say that the NCR is under supplied because of the divide getting nuked.
Probably not gonna happen but I hope in a theoretical New Vegas 2 they allude to a Legion victory in the Mojave because that could lead to interesting story opportunities. Either in a full on Legion NCR war or a collapsing Legion with fragmented successor states

My problem with giving a canon ending to NV is that it kind defeats its purpose. Let me explain.

All fallouts have a conclusive canon ending. Master is destroyed, Enclave is destroyed twice, I doubt the institute ending will be canon but I digress.

Fallout endings never had too much open endedness on their ultimate conclusion when it relates to the main quest.

FNV is different because the endings are radically different. I legit dont think Obsidian ever intended a canon ending for NV. I think what they intended was for a "conclusion" for the west coast "saga" of sorts. Sort of a swan song for that side of the Fallout universe since its unlikely we will ever go there again (at least back then).

So giving a canon ending to FNV is sort of counter-intuitive to its very narrative nature.
Oliver is literally the reason the ncr's position is so fucked at the beginning of the game he's so obsessed with gaining personal glory in some decisive battle that he just all the problems of the Mojave run roughshod over them because he'd rather just throw waves of soldiers at the dam in an attritional slugfest with the legion than attempt to press or leverage literally any advantage, fucks overt his most effective fighting force in the rangers out of petty spite and even his pet project heavy troopers are too busy acting at the whims of cattle barons to deal with all 5 raiders who are still active in California by now one of the options to talk lanius out of fighting is convincing him this must be a trap because there's no way hoover dam could be this incompetently defended when the actual truth is just that general Oliver is seriously that fucking terrible at his job

Im rather surprised we cant get rid of Oliver one way or the other. He is clearly weighting down the NCR out of his own hubris. You can get rid of the president and hope someone more competent takes over but you cant "replace" Oliver with someone more competent (which the NCR has quite a few suitable replacements).


Is Ulysses meant to be such a melodramatic hypocrite? Because I just finished replaying Lonesome Road and I forgot how long and rambling Ulysses was on the war and how tragic the fate of his tribe was at the hands of the Legion (despite inflicting that fate on others, like the New Canaanites)
pretty much he's basically like that crazy conspiracy schitzo that insists nothing can be a coincidence and that "it's all connected man!" when in reality he just can't accept the idea that shit happens sometimes you even have the choice as a player to deconfirm that you were even the guy to deliver the detonator if you want
Lonesome Road is odd to me because it felt contradictory to how the Courier was set up in the base game to have as little a backstory as possible to allow the most roleplay potential only for it to try and give the Courier a backstory. Glad the player has the option to reject it just in case they don't want that as apart of their characters backstory but it felt like a bit of wasted effort, especially seeing how all the other DLCs were building up to it.
I guess it is funny now in most of my playthroughs Ulysses is just some schizo who's accusing my character of something he didn't even do and my character is just confused the entire time. Mind telling my friend how I played Lonesome Road and he went "You gaslit Ulysses lol."


I think thats kind of the genius behind Lonesome Road and Ulysses.

Depending on how you play/see, Ulysses is either this philosophical complex warrior poet or just an insaned hypocrite incapable of taking personal responsibility, not unlike Elder Elijah. Its all about your playstyle and if you are willing to play along with the backstory that is being offered to you.

Tho Ulysses is admittedly almost a self insert from the writer so maybe some of his cringy aspect and loving the sound of his own voice could be atributed towards that.
 
Think the Fallout games isn't actually about marginalized gay and trans peeps? Think again, fake fan. Also "culturally violent" lol

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Think the Fallout games isn't actually about marginalized gay and trans peeps? Think again, fake fan. Also "culturally violent" lol

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Didn't know KLEO was a touchy subject to these nutjobs, I think they might be looking too deeply into a comedic character...

I guess that's something the Bethesda Fallouts have over the Interplay/Obsidian ones, the former doesn't attract as many weirdos.
 
doesn't stop them from never seeming short on either just ask those hit-squads and the centurions wit with anti-material rifles at hoover dam
Gameplay mechanic for the first, and for the second I didn't say the Legion didn't have reserves, just that they can't deploy them as carelessly as the NCR can.
yet they are completely incapable of meaningfully leveraging it all the way to the battle of hoover dam probably because they're incapable of not stretching themselves well beyond what they can handle the Mojave included
Well, they're at the end of their logistical tether, they've got a guerilla war down in Baja that needs the Rangers, and oh, a war in their home territories against the Brotherhood of Steel that's a far more immediate threat to the NCR itself than a bunch of dudes with sports gear and machetes. You may as well say the USA was a disaster since it was struggling against the native tribes in the Northwest during the Civil War.

@The handsome tard Quote bug, but which suitable replacement? Of the NCR officers we see who could take his job, Moore is arguably even worse when it comes to a desire for glory and Hanlon would rather eat his gun barrel than explain his totally justified actions before a court-martial. That leaves Hsu as the best choice, but you'll get no argument from me on that given his quiet competence.
 
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