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That is exactly what he does. He lords over the Mojave and forces everyone to become slaves. You even see in the restored content mod where you can continue playing after the Battle of Hoover Dam, New Vegas is full of people who are enslaved or crucified. Instead of a peaceful city where people just keep their heads down so as to not offend Caesar, you outright see the city be converted into a slave camp decorated with rotting corpses on crosses.


Oh, is this the same Cass who also complains about the cartoonishly evil way the Legion treats their women?

Bad guys as a rule in many fictional stories defend their shit well. That still doesn't stop them from being the bad guys. The Empire defended Tatooine better than the Republic defended Naboo in Star Wars; Naboo at most had a small starfighter fleet and a small militia despite owning a senate seat, Tatooine was some dipshit world on the ass end of space and still had a sizeable imperial garrison and two Star Destroyers. The Empire clearly protects its turf better than the Old Republic. Does that make the Empire good? No. They're still the same assholes who blew up Alderaan.
Dude are you trying to make a comparison between a post apocalyptic wasteland and Disney Star Wars? This is the lamest normie take ever, it's like comparing STALKER to The Legend of Zelda.
They rape their female slaves repeatedly to produce more babies for the state. They use torture and enslavement to keep the populace down. And it's even described in-lore that the moment Caesar dies, the whole thing will fall apart, which goes to show that people don't really approve of the Legion. Maybe outside of the game, you get some lore blurbs about peaceful communities and women becoming priestesses, but if you limit yourself to what the game offers, and nothing but that, then not only is the Legion a terrible thing, but it's also living on borrowed time, all the safety, security, justice, and peace it provides is but a fleeting dream, one that will give way to a greater nightmare when Caesar kicks the bucket and the Legion self-destructs.
The outside lore comes from the people that actually made this game, not your rapey fantasy head canon.
That's only if you do a lot of things for them. Meanwhile, you don't need to do much for the NCR for them to hand you a radio that sends reinforcements to your location.
You have to do a lot of tasks for the NCR as well, fuck off with your fanboy sperging.
Because the Courier saves Caesar and becomes his heir, ensuing the future of the Legion. Which is the same for the NCR; if the Courier joins them, they win Vegas, stabilize the Mojave, and ensure peace for the populace. Minus the slavery and rape.
What if the Courier like the slavery and rape? You don't know if I'm playing a sadist Courier. This is why it's called a role playing game, you play a role.
Again, you people just make such ridiculous claims because your feelings are hurt. How pathetic.
lmao get a grip. Also:

lol calm down
 
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Dude are you trying to make a comparison between a post apocalyptic wasteland and Disney Star Wars? This is the lamest normie take ever, it's like comparing STALKER to The Legend of Zelda.
Not Disney Star Wars, but KOTOR. You know, that Star Wars RPG that deconstructed a lot of its tropes and offered a more nuanced take on the Light/Dark conflict in the series? Especially since Obsidian's prior top seller before New Vegas was KOTOR 2. I already made the comparison before that New Vegas is basically KOTOR in the desert. Down to the point where you have a bloated and corrupt republic fighting against an efficient but evil empire, and the latter is even led by a savant who used to be a citizen of the republic. (Revan/Caesar) It's not my problem that you faggots can't tell the difference between classic Expanded Universe Star Wars and the modern Disney stuff.

I suppose that goes to show the IQ level of you people. I really can't count on you to know anything else outside of your comfort zone, can I?
 
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Not Disney Star Wars, but KOTOR. You know, that Star Wars RPG that deconstructed a lot of its tropes and offered a more nuanced take on the Light/Dark conflict in the series? Especially since Obsidian's prior top seller before New Vegas was KOTOR 2. I already made the comparison before that New Vegas is basically KOTOR in the desert. Down to the point where you have a bloated and corrupt republic fighting against an efficient but evil empire, and the latter is even led by a savant who used to be a citizen of the republic. (Revan/Caesar) It's not my problem that you faggots can't tell the difference between classic Expanded Universe Star Wars and the modern Disney stuff.

I suppose that goes to show the IQ level of you people. I really can't count on you to know anything else outside of your comfort zone, can I?
Oh I see, I cannot fathom the genius and wisdom of STAR WARS, the George Lucas rehash of the oldest trope in the world, the hero on a journey to fight dragons, save his people and bring peace to the world. :story:

How old are you? You must be over 18 to use this website.
 
Not Disney Star Wars, but KOTOR. You know, that Star Wars RPG that deconstructed a lot of its tropes and offered a more nuanced take on the Light/Dark conflict in the series? Especially since Obsidian's prior top seller before New Vegas was KOTOR 2. I already made the comparison before that New Vegas is basically KOTOR in the desert. Down to the point where you have a bloated and corrupt republic fighting against an efficient but evil empire, and the latter is even led by a savant who used to be a citizen of the republic. (Revan/Caesar) It's not my problem that you faggots can't tell the difference between classic Expanded Universe Star Wars and the modern Disney stuff.

I suppose that goes to show the IQ level of you people. I really can't count on you to know anything else outside of your comfort zone, can I?
Something's wrong with you, man.
 
The outside lore comes from the people that actually made this game, not your rapey fantasy head canon.
Yes, and they added it after the game was released. J. Sawyer even regretted making the Legion come off as rapist bastards, because that convinced many players to just see them as animals.

Basically, this is the lore JE Sawyer added for the Legion after the game came out:

"The additional Legion locations would have had more travelling non-Legion residents of Legion territories. The Fort and Cottonwood Cove made sense as heavy military outposts where the vast majority of the population consisted of soldiers and slaves. The other locations would have had more "civilians". It's not accurate to think of them as citizens of the Legion (the Legion is purely military), but as non-tribal people who live in areas under Legion control."

"While Caesar intentionally enslaves NCR and Mojave residents in the war zone, most of the enslavement that happens in the east happens to tribals. As Raul indicates, there are non-tribal communities that came under Legion control a long time ago, The additional locations would have shown what life is like for those people."

"The general tone would have been what you would expect from life under a stable military dictatorship facing no internal resistance: the majority of people enjoy safe and productive lives (more than they had prior to the Legion's arrival) but have no freedoms, rights, or say in what happens in their communities."

"Water and power flow consistently, food is adequate, travel is safe, and occasionally someone steps afoul of a legionary and gets his or her head cut off. If the Legion tells someone to do something, they only ask once -- even if that means an entire community has to pick up and move fifty miles away. Corruption within the Legion is rare and Caesar deals with it harshly (even by Legion standards)."

"In short, residents of Legion territories aren't really citizens and they aren't slaves, but they're also not free. People who keep their mouths shut, go about their business, and nod at the rare requests the Legion makes of them -- they can live very well. Many of them don't care at all what happens around them (mostly because they felt they never had a say in it before the Legion came, anyway)."

But almost none of this is in the game, all the game describes the Legion as is that they are rapist slavers who are just destroying or enslaving everything west of them. You'd think the Legion would have its own propaganda where they display posters of men and women living in peace under Legion turf and trying to convince Mojave locals of how peaceful Legion life can be, but it's not in the base game at all. Not even a blurb from a Legion character about how men and women under Legion turf are living safe, unmolested lives as citizens of Caesar's Empire. You'd think THAT would be a good sell to the Courier on why they should join the Legion, but they don't even bother with it.

In short, the Legion in the lore is a typical fascist dictatorship. The Legion in the game is a rapist slaver tribe. And you'd know the difference between the two if you actually played the game and talked to all the characters in it like I did, instead of just reading lore blurbs on the internet like what you people seem to be doing. When was the last time you faggots played this game, anyway?

You have to do a lot of tasks for the NCR as well, fuck off with your fanboy sperging.
Nope. They hand you a radio if you do them a few favors. They reward you with a safehouse for doing a lot of things for them. During my House playthrough, I wound up doing a few good things for the NCR along the way so that they'd let me defend their president as per House's orders, and they gave me the radio.

What if the Courier like the slavery and rape? You don't know if I'm playing a sadist Courier. This is why it's called a role playing game, you play a role.
Exactly. And that kind of role is what an evil player character would do. Like a KOTOR player who kills civilians for money and who gets drunk on the Dark Side.

How old are you? You must be over 18 to use this website.
Old enough to be your father, I suppose, given how mature you are.

Something's wrong with you, man.
No, something must be wrong with you idiots to not know the other gem in Obsidian's crown aside from New Vegas. Shit, KOTOR 2 is what convinced me to pick up New Vegas because I enjoyed Obsidian's writing in KOTOR 2 so much and wanted more.
 
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Read your posts and really think about the shit you're saying, man.
 
Also, constantly referencing Star Wars in a completely unrelated game discussion gives off that sort of "we're gryffindor and drumpf is the real voldemort and the altright is slytherin guys, leviosa let's fight evil!" vibe.
What, you mean like the sort of person that loves Fallout 4/Bethesda and hates "all the NV fanboys unfairly attacking Bethesda", hates 'the bad guy Legion and the chuds who simp for them', is full team "Slava Ukraini!" and hates Russia and "Russian shills", and is an unironic Star Wars fag?

The sort of person who would unironically use the word 'chud'?

Well, good thing our friend Lord Imperator doesn't tick all the boxes of an autistic retard who holds milquetoast MSM and mainstream NPC beliefs on games and culture and only ended up here because their inability to not constantly sperg got their ass booted off of twitter and reddit......right?

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Ironically enough, they want to ban the series that lampoons the things they hate, just because enough chuds glorify the bad guys of the setting.

These are the guys that the chuds on the other thread believe to be the saviors of the West, mind you. The kind of people who would waste ammo because they don't even bother aiming properly with their artillery.

oh wait. nvm.

 
What, you mean like the sort of person that loves Fallout 4/Bethesda and hates "all the NV fanboys unfairly attacking Bethesda", hates 'the bad guy Legion and the chuds who simp for them', is full team "Slava Ukraini!" and hates Russia and "Russian shills", and is an unironic Star Wars fag?

The sort of person who would unironically use the word 'chud'?

Well, good thing our friend Lord Imperator doesn't tick all the boxes of an autistic retard who holds milquetoast MSM and mainstream NPC beliefs on games and culture and only ended up here because their inability to not constantly sperg got their ass booted off of twitter and reddit......right?

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I don't even love Fallout 4. I criticized it for not having the Enclave to begin with, because I'm an unapologetic Enclave fanboy who wants to stick them into every Fallout game.

And if you actually shill for Russia, you're an even bigger cuck than I could ever imagine. I mean, they literally have an army full of rapists who rape the men. At least the Legion sticks to raping female slaves; Russian soldiers get raped by their superiors. (Dedovshchina)

oh wait. nvm.

Imagine using a video of an American robot to shill for Daddy Putin. Which is ironic, since the modern Russians are "friends" with Red China and want to resurrect the USSR, while Ukraine is allied with the US in terms of politics, so if anything, Liberty Prime would be leading an assault on Moscow right now, considering that they're led by Soviet filth.
 
I don't even love Fallout 4. I criticized it for not having the Enclave to begin with, because I'm an unapologetic Enclave fanboy who wants to stick them into every Fallout game.

And if you actually shill for Russia, you're an even bigger cuck than I could ever imagine. I mean, they literally have an army full of rapists who rape the men. At least the Legion sticks to raping female slaves; Russian soldiers get raped by their superiors. (Dedovshchina)


Imagine using a video of an American robot to shill for Daddy Putin. Which is ironic, since the modern Russians are "friends" with Red China and want to resurrect the USSR, while Ukraine is allied with the US in terms of politics, so if anything, Liberty Prime would be leading an assault on Moscow right now, considering that they're led by Soviet filth.
Ahaha he brought the Rus/Ukie politisperging to a thread about Fallout games. That's the most autistic thing I've seen here in a long while.
 
Ahaha he brought the Rus/Ukie politisperging to a thread about Fallout games. That's the most autistic thing I've seen here in a long while.
And you're just going to ignore the fact that your friend did that first?

What, you mean like the sort of person that loves Fallout 4/Bethesda and hates "all the NV fanboys unfairly attacking Bethesda", hates 'the bad guy Legion and the chuds who simp for them', is full team "Slava Ukraini!" and hates Russia and "Russian shills", and is an unironic Star Wars fag?
 
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I don't even love Fallout 4. I criticized it for not having the Enclave to begin with, because I'm an unapologetic Enclave fanboy who wants to stick them into every Fallout game.

And if you actually shill for Russia, you're an even bigger cuck than I could ever imagine. I mean, they literally have an army full of rapists who rape the men. At least the Legion sticks to raping female slaves; Russian soldiers get raped by their superiors. (Dedovshchina)


Imagine using a video of an American robot to shill for Daddy Putin. Which is ironic, since the modern Russians are "friends" with Red China and want to resurrect the USSR, while Ukraine is allied with the US in terms of politics, so if anything, Liberty Prime would be leading an assault on Moscow right now, considering that they're led by Soviet filth.
GO TO FUCKING SLEEP, RESPOND TOMORROW WITH YOUR THOUGHTS WELL ORGANIZED, STOPPING MAKING AN ASS OF YOURSELF AND PLAY THE FUCKING GAME INSTEAD OF REGURGITATING WHATEVER FAGGOTS LIKE SCHIZO ELIJAH SAY ABOUT NCR SERIOUSLY.
 
GO TO FUCKING SLEEP, RESPOND TOMORROW WITH YOUR THOUGHTS WELL ORGANIZED, STOPPING MAKING AN ASS OF YOURSELF AND PLAY THE FUCKING GAME INSTEAD OF REGURGITATING WHATEVER FAGGOTS LIKE SCHIZO ELIJAH SAY ABOUT NCR SERIOUSLY.
I played the game to the bone. Again and again and again. That's probably why I can tell the difference between the lore dumps JE Sawyer put in for the Legion after the game came out, and what the characters in the game describe the Legion as.
 
Yeah, I can see that. Anyone who read into new vegas even a tiny bit knows they ran out of time to flesh it out and get rid of many bugs, but where is the issue.
They can't accept the fact that the writers of New Vegas had certain preferences as to who you should side with. Especially with the fact that you gain good karma by killing Legion officers in the final battle.

When the game is literally patting you on the back for picking a certain side and killing officers of the opposing team, that's obviously saying something. They're literally telling you that you are a good person for picking the side that opposes the Legion in the final battle.
 
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