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the egregious Boeing-like plane awkwardly copypasted in there for good measure
This annoys me greatly, Everything around the plane is caked in Rust and general decay, yet the plane looks brand new, not a spot of rust anywhere on the damn thing. I am fine with the show taking liberties with vehicle props, but if one of your first promo shots includes a fucking clean Boeing fresh out of a scrap yard we have issues. There are plenty of set photos showing good looking vehicles, what set of retarded idea's led us to clean 747 nose???
 
This part is so out there it fits with the original Fallout 1/2 vibe and vision of Pulp and Neo-Noir.
Tim Cain said in a video that the original intention of the vaults was that they were experiments testing for future space travel because the Government/vault-tec thought earth wouldn't be inhabitable after the war. Though the frontier is retarded trash this could be something the enclave is capable of doing going by information presented.

 
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Fallout 3 leaned into Art Deco for some of the buildings and stuff which I think really helped sell the retro feel and is something I hope they bring back someday. All the brass fixings and shit.

As for just having him be "The Ghoul" you just know it'll be so they can portray the ghouls as the typical oppressed underdog class.
 
I play Fallout New Vegas pretty regularly. But have not played 3 or 4 recently. I have since played them again for the first time in a while.

Fallout as a series needs to tear down its visual aesthetic and start over. Everything is too boxy and "cookie cutter art deco" and it looks like shit. The White House in Fallout 3 is a great example; it looks terrible and clashes. I dislike how everything in Fallout is "future!" as if they went through DC and Boston (FO4 did it much better) and bolted ugly art deco-inspired boxes to everything. There is very little sense of a world before nuclear, which itself makes no sense. Maybe after a great war and everything has been rebuilt... but these games pre-date that as a necessity. (do they have to? could be interesting)

The visuals of the next game are actually going to matter a lot to me.
 
Did they forget that most of the Vault dwellers were unwitting test subjects in vile experiments? Or is that not being explored in the show?
The vault for the show, Vault 33, has been stated in other interviews to be a control vault. I assume that the experiment side will be brought up as a way to demonstrate that the MC’s ancestors were able to buy their way to a control vault.
The Brotherhood does not understand, and most don't even know, about the United States of America. What mutated patriotism? Are they seriously going to link the Brotherhood of Steel to MAGA republicans? Fuck you.
- The Brotherhood does not practice any particular religion.
- How is it 'mutated' loyalty/fraternity? Do you mean their fanaticism towards their Elder? Debatable, as in every game sans F4 & 76 there has always been dissension and discord of varying degrees towards the Elder, and the show seems specially focused on F4/76.
No, that is a fairly accurate summary of the Brotherhood of Steel. Descendants of former US military trained through their rituals to believe that they are the sole caretakers of all advanced technologies. It’s A Canticle For Lebowitz but replace the Catholics with the US Army.
 
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its funny Nolan doesn't know a thing about the brotherhood. kinda like how the brotherhood on the east coast (3 and 4) dont even know their own lore.

Dwovert and John Nolan are so tone deaf what the original sources actually worked, like with other nepotistic writers working for the industry. They seem to forget what and how the Brotherhood worked, especially in the likes of 2, 3 and NV. People also seem to forget that John Nolan was responsible for co-writing shitty dialogue, like the infamous opening scene in the Dark Knight Rises
 
This part is so out there it fits with the original Fallout 1/2 vibe and vision of Pulp and Neo-Noir.
No, no it doesn't. The devs don't understand the world of Fallout, and I think the only reason they even went thru with it was because they needed their super spooky scare sequences(they got a guy who works on horror mods to work on Frontier. He was in the process of creating another one when he was hired to work on Frontier, so he just shoehorned in the sequences into the mod itself. This is why the mod is so full of them). The entire space station sequence wasn't Fallout, it was Dead Space or System Shock. Granted, what you see in-game was originally the FINALE of the Enclave questline, before the faction was cut due to them being "Trump Supporters", so maybe with a bit of context this would have been more meaningful and better done. As is? No, this one sequence shows everything wrong with Frontier in a nutshell. Shall we not forget the Wolfenstein doctor, Sans from Undertale mini-boss, technology even Big MT doesn't have?(remember, all Enclave has over the BOS in 2 and 3 is more advanced weaponry, power armor and vertibirds, all of which are military prototypes that were likely already in production to a certain point before the war or at least were being researched and developed. Nowhere did it say they had access to spaceships, brand new offshoot of AI, brand new offshoot of FEV, brand new even more advanced power armor build off what resources nobody knows(Hellfire armor from 3 was a last-ditch effort and many other resources like eyebots had to be scrapped for metal to produce it, only for it to just barely be just as effective as pre-war T51b models, a far cry from the APA MK2 of F2). Remember the impressive mobile crawler from Broken Steel? They didn't produce it, this is actually based off of existing NASA hardware, and in-lore Enclave took it from Florida base it currently resides in the real world, and The Enclave outpost in that region will be further explored in the upcoming "Fallout Miami" mod.)

It should be noted that a space station climax was planned for Van Buren aka cancelled Fallout 3 before Bethesda bought the licence, even then it was just going to be an ordinary, tiny space station with a few combat encounters and an optional robot companion for Science Boys. The most sci-fi thing about it would have been an orbital nuke platform which would be primed and ready to fire, the last option of the game would come down to which communities you met would be nuked and which would be spared(an idea recycled for Lonesome Road DLC in New Vegas). A far cry from the techno-base The Enclave uses in Frontier, with technology that doesn't even belong in the universe. Once again, Enclave aren't Big MT they are just a pre-war military sitting on some pre-war state of the art hardware and had time to finish a few pre-war prototypes, and The Four Friends channel who did a great series on the mod did bring up a good point: "If your technology is more advanced than Big MT(peak of pre war technology and research), it probably doesn't belong in the universe". It deserved to be scrapped for that stupid neon sign that wouldn't be out of place on The Strip advertising it that you see in the intro for the mission alone.
Tim Cain said in a video that the original intention of the vaults was that they were experiments testing for future space travel because the Government/vault-tec thought earth wouldn't be inhabitable after the war. Though the frontier is retarded trash this could be something the enclave is capable of doing going by information presented.

Enclave space station is a great idea, however the execution is horrible. See above.
Let The Enclave rest already
 

Why does this article exist? Why is it filled with unsourced rants about how the NCR turned to homophobia because of capitalism or some shit?

Why does the independent wiki also have the same goddamn article when I went to check if they were just as bad? Why can't LGBT characters be handled with a nifty little category like every other goddamn thing? At this point I almost want to ask NMA to make a wiki, outside of the potshots they'd take at everything Bethesda at least I could count on it being filled with less bullshit.

No, that is a fairly accurate summary of the Brotherhood of Steel. Descendants of former US military trained through their rituals to believe that they are the sole caretakers of all advanced technologies. It’s A Canticle For Lebowitz but replace the Catholics with the US Army.
Yeah, the article really wasn't that bad barring the eye-rolling "our world is going in a scary direction" shit, if anything the description of the BoS should be more palatable for the people that circlejerk that the BoS should be more cultish like Fallout 1 and 2. The images are what annoyed me, it's painful to see the FO4 assault rifle be in anything and it's annoying that we're getting spammed with live action T-60 rather than the T-51 I've always wanted to see in live action more than anything else in Fallout.
 
Why does this article exist? Why is it filled with unsourced rants about how the NCR turned to homophobia because of capitalism or some shit?
"In recent years, the Republic's rapid economic transformation has led to an unforeseen erosion of the humanitarian ideals which it was founded to serve… Meanwhile, their government enacts morally corrosive imperialism, their dominion expanding indefinitely as their infrastructure crumbles from within. This has led to a profit-based imperial monoculture which must conquer, consume, and coerce to perpetuate."

socialist gobbledygook
 
"In recent years, the Republic's rapid economic transformation has led to an unforeseen erosion of the humanitarian ideals which it was founded to serve… Meanwhile, their government enacts morally corrosive imperialism, their dominion expanding indefinitely as their infrastructure crumbles from within. This has led to a profit-based imperial monoculture which must conquer, consume, and coerce to perpetuate."
socialist gobbledygook
Anyone who's played New Vegas knows that line is complete BS, too, the NCR is stated to have literal implants, running trains and advanced agriculture back in California. They invaded the Mojave just to get the Hoover Dam and Helios One so they could power their tech back in California. Their infrastructure is not "crumbling from within."
 
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"Clearly arrested in development, Borous has literally built a temple to the fantasy of torturing his adolescent romantic rival and feeding him to dogs. His frozen, static characterization of the jock Richie Marcus as a 'pinko-commie' who 'likes balls' reflects the shallowness, pettiness, and overall misanthropy underlying his patriotic identity.

"It remains apparent throughout Old World Blues that the Think Tank are all chronically sexually repressed, which is inseparable from the values of the violent and judgmental pre-War culture which created them. With time and isolation, this ingrained repression has manifested as various intense and deranged psychosexual behaviors, including rage-fueled homophobia, voyeurism, and the obsessive performance of puritanical pretense."

WHAT IS THIS SHIT
what the fuck does "frozen, static characterization" mean
why are they taking the funny robots so seriously
 
A friend of mine shared some details from the upcoming tv show and apparently it takes place in LA, aka the boneyard, a state of the NCR. Yet every description he posted neglects to mention the presence of the NCR at all. Pair this with the fact that the prydwen is in this show, I gotta ask myself, why the fuck is the NCR letting the brotherhood fly their gay blimp over their territory???
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"Clearly arrested in development, Borous has literally built a temple to the fantasy of torturing his adolescent romantic rival and feeding him to dogs. His frozen, static characterization of the jock Richie Marcus as a 'pinko-commie' who 'likes balls' reflects the shallowness, pettiness, and overall misanthropy underlying his patriotic identity.

"It remains apparent throughout Old World Blues that the Think Tank are all chronically sexually repressed, which is inseparable from the values of the violent and judgmental pre-War culture which created them. With time and isolation, this ingrained repression has manifested as various intense and deranged psychosexual behaviors, including rage-fueled homophobia, voyeurism, and the obsessive performance of puritanical pretense."

WHAT IS THIS SHIT
what the fuck does "frozen, static characterization" mean
why are they taking the funny robots so seriously
They can't be sexually repressed because they're turbo virgin scientist nerds which makes for great jokes and that's why Borous is obsessed with "jocks", it has to be a commentary on politics in America!
 
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Anyone who's played New Vegas knows that line is complete BS, too, the NCR is stated to have literal implants, running trains and advanced agricultural back in California. They invaded the Mojave just to get the Hoover Dam and Helios One so they could power their tech back in California. Their infrastructure is not "crumbling from within."
No, see, the sharecropper fields have a broken water pump, and the caravans are backed-up on the road out of New Vegas. Surely the US the NCR is only moments away from a total collapse! Proletariat rise up!
 
A friend of mine shared some details from the upcoming tv show and apparently it takes place in LA, aka the boneyard, a state of the NCR. Yet every description he posted neglects to mention the presence of the NCR at all. Pair this with the fact that the prydwen is in this show, I gotta ask myself, why the fuck is the NCR letting the brotherhood fly their gay blimp over their territory???
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Apparently the NCR flag is in one of the screenshots so the makers of the show seem to be aware LA is in the NCR but the BoS being in all the screenshots definitely seems to not bode well. The NCR and BoS are not on good terms, especially not on good enough terms that the BoS would be allowed to recruit people and have airships flying around. Only thing I can think of is that they're canonizing the NCR-BoS truce from New Vegas and they're allied again like in Fallout 2. Or, more likely, the writers don't care and wanted to shove the BoS everywhere like Betheada does.
 
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As much as I hate capeshit and tranime, I like the worldbuilding behind Hubris Comics
I will admit that the Silver Shroud and Madame of Mystery quests in 4 and 76 respectively are actually pretty cool. The Grognak games within games in 3 and 4 are also nice, and they totally didn't even have to put those in.
Too bad all they will do with them will be shilling microtransactions in 4 and 76 so they can have their royalty free capeshit for the masses to consoom
 
Fallout as a series needs to tear down its visual aesthetic and start over. Everything is too boxy and "cookie cutter art deco" and it looks like shit. I dislike how everything in Fallout is "future!" as if they went through DC and Boston (FO4 did it much better) and bolted ugly art deco-inspired boxes to everything. There is very little sense of a world before nuclear, which itself makes no sense. Maybe after a great war and everything has been rebuilt... but these games pre-date that as a necessity. (do they have to? could be interesting).
Fallout is not supposed to be post apocalyptic. It's Post-post-apocalyptic. Fallout 3 and New Vegas are set 200 years after the bombs dropped. There should be almost no rubble whatsoever. There should be no grocery stores with intact pre-war food or money just sitting there untouched. There should be fully functional and rebuilt societies just filled with violence, crime, and despair. Almost everything should be explored already.

The problem is that Bethesda puts their games 200 years after the bombs fell in the story. But the aesthetic and design make the game look like the bombs dropped last week. And no one has had the time to clean up and loot the buildings. Fallout 3's entire world makes far more sense if the bombs dropped ten years ago not two centuries. New Vegas had things like farms, trade routes, regular food and water supplies. It was a broken world but it made sense that humanity survived. Fallout 3 has people drinking polluted irradiated water for 200 years before you and your father and Project Purity show up. Bethesda just doesn't really understand Fallout.
 
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