Fallout series

caesar's word is law
and who's going to stop a gigachad courier that can bare-knuckle brawl deathclaws?
That, and the Legion absolutely respects people who Get Shit Done. Lucius is old and graying and prime fodder for a challenge to his command of Caesar's Praetorians by someone younger and more physically fit yet nobody is willing to fight him for it out of respect for the man.
 
I like how a Fallout game where you play as an Enclave officer would sell gangbusters but Bethesda can't do it because they're completely beholden to ESG and journalist who shit themselves at any vaguely fascist iconography.

Way to cuck yourself.
The main problem is that the Enclave are kind of done as an antagonist. They lost the West Coast and the East Coast. They may have a base in Chicago or even in outer space but what could they serve in terms of the story?

It’s an Old World faction and all of the Old World factions are dead. They failed to change and perished.

What could be fun is to have a minor faction give you a request to modify or recover data in some archive. You find out that the faction is an Enclave remnant that wants to sanitize any records which link the Enclave to the United States. The Enclave is doing this because they want the symbol of America to be viewed as a positive, as they once believed it was.

The Enclave know that they were in the wrong but they believe that they can redeem themselves by ensuring America’s reputation is not tarnished. Does the player preserve the truth, warts and all, or do they change it to leave a more positive legacy?
 
Thinking about it now, no it probably wasn't the nukes, that requires player input and bethesda doesn't like making choices canon.

So what got shady sands and the ncr? The Tunnelers. Its heavily implied throughout lonesome road that they're heading towards ncr territory and bound to fuck things up. And that's gonna happen no matter if the player does anything or not. Looks like we get to see the result of tunneler fuckery: Big ass city sized potholes.
Nah, New Vegas just straight isn't canon to the show. The show runner only played Fallout 3 and Bethesda does not like NV existing.
 
Part of the reason they were cut was because of space on the DVDs for the 360 version. The dialog and music would have needed to have been compressed to extreme levels to be even potentially be able to fit in another companion or two.
I’ve always wondered if they did a NV release would they do two copies of the game. We have the drives to render this game now so you could have one disk be the original game and one be the Avalon cut.
Caesar's Legion is an interesting concept for the wasteland. The issue, I believe, is that the legion barely correlates with Rome.
Another thing I appreciate about the lot of the game is that it doesn’t give you full detail. They might as well of found a book on the late stage Roman Empire for all we know. He could base his entire personality off the worst years of Rome.
I like how a Fallout game where you play as an Enclave officer
The problem with Bethesda is they also do the GTA “we need ONE big game every century” approach when it comes to their games. I think Bethesda would benefit greatly if they allowed other companies to make smaller games with the engine to pass people over. I’d love to see a side release game where you play as an enclave soldier and we’re an asshole. Unfortunately if Bethesda made it you would be “the one medic who was super pro enclave but now is having second thoughts”. Let’s say even if that would never happen a Olympus 2207 side game that was funded by Bethesda and 3D would be amazing.
 
think Bethesda would benefit greatly if they allowed other companies to make smaller games with the engine to pass people over.
That was the plan with letting Obsidian do New Vegas, but Todd's ego got bruised so bad from that they rejected every other attempt Obsidian or other devs made to try and do similar projects with them. We could have had an Elder Scrolls and a new Fallout spinoff by now if they weren't such faggots.
 
That was the plan with letting Obsidian do New Vegas, but Todd's ego got bruised so bad from that they rejected every other attempt Obsidian or other devs made to try and do similar projects with them.
I remember Avalon made a response to this and “Supposedly” “Bethesda and obsidian have no bad blood and Todd loved the game” which is kind of funny because the only instances of NV being mentioned in a Bethesda made game being the Atom shop to get some NV fan sheckels.

I’m hoping with the merge of Microsoft they will hopefully pump out more obsidian made games, especially since fallout in space didn’t really live up to the hype (who knew :sighduck:). But that opinion may deserve a few rainbows.
 
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I remember Avalon made a response to this and “Supposedly” “Bethesda and obsidian have no bad blood and Todd loved the game” which is kind of funny because the only instances of NV being mentioned in a Bethesda made game being the Atom shop to get some NV fan sheckels.

I’m hoping with the merge of Microsoft they will hopefully pump out more obsidian made games, especially since fallout in space didn’t really live up to the hype (who knew :sighduck:). But that opinion may deserve a few rainbows.
Everything from the Bethesda side clearly indicates they are dismissive of NV at best, outright dislike it at most. During the lead up to Fallout 4 Todd would say shit like "This is the first time we have ever had iron sights in Fallout" and Fallout 4 itself mentions NCR once, then never again. The Mojave Desert is mentioned but specifically not called The Mojave or The Mojave Wasteland.

All tie in material made for the IP does not include New Vegas materials, and leakers (grain of salt) have said that opinions on NV at Bethesda are very negative.
 
Got any links? Not saying you're wrong (Bethesda's limited praise of NV always reads to me like it's being said through clenched teeth), I'd just be very curious to read them.
I used to have a couple posts saved but can't seem to find them now. I will hunt for them, but admittedly I might just be schizo pulling shit out of my ass, and if I'm not then the leakers certainly could have been.

But yeah, clenched teeth is a good way to put it. Of course the two companies don't want bad blood out in the open, but it's pretty clear they don't like it. If they did, why not let Obsidian take another crack at the IP? Especially if they asked multiple times? It's not like they were worried about oversaturating the market, it takes YEARS for Bethesda to shit out new games.
 
Got any links?
RPG Codex has had multiple people who worked on New Vegas comment on how Bethesda would repeatedly lie to them or sabotage them. The biggest one being that Bethesda told Obsidian not to budget QA for New Vegas because it would be handled by Bethesda. But then they pulled the QA from them and said "do it yourself" which resulted in massive bugs and problems. And then lead to the lower Metacritic score and Obsidian losing their bonus pay. I think it was Sawyer who compared Bethesda to Darth Vader's infamous "I'm changing the terms of the deal" speech he gives in one of the Star Wars movies.

Also some sites that deal with board games and tabletop games had posts from people who were working with the Fallout license. And Bethesda told them outright that they were not supposed to reference New Vegas or make New Vegas's setting the main location for whatever game they were making. And that if they wanted to include New Vegas mentions in their games that every single mention needed individual approval from someone at Bethesda. But stuff about Fallout 3 or 4 they could just include without needing any oversight.

We don't know exactly why Bethesda and Todd Howard hate New Vegas. But they go out of their way to minimize the game as much as possible.
 
but it's pretty clear they don't like it. If they did, why not let Obsidian take another crack at the IP?
It could have something to do with the fact that New Vegas was in an absolute dogshit state at launch.

I remember a lot of people I knew who liked Fallout, some who even like New Vegas now, were roasting it for how much of a buggy piece of shit it was at launch.

Like, have we ever gotten concrete sales figures on New Vegas? I doubt it was a flop or anything considering how it was made, but on the same token Bethesda isn't really going to give much of a shit that the game was "fixed" later if the only copies that sold after it was fixed were being sold were heavily discounted on Steam.

Honestly, I don't get why New Vegas fans are upset that Bethesda seemingly keeps a hands off approach with the game. The consensus seems to be everything they touch in regards to Fallout turns to shit, so it's weird to suddenly see so many of these people wanting New Vegas to heavily feature into the Fallout TV show and such.
 
The Enclave know that they were in the wrong but they believe that they can redeem themselves by ensuring America’s reputation is not tarnished. Does the player preserve the truth, warts and all, or do they change it to leave a more positive legacy?
I'm confused here. America was a purely positive force in the Fallout series. I mean, we literally see our brave boys bring about the Day of the Rake; it was aspirational.
 
people wanting New Vegas to heavily feature into the Fallout TV show and such.
It's because New Vegas is effectively being erased from canon with the new show. If it was set somewhere on the East Coast and had the Faggots of Steel as the protagonists in usual Bethesda fashion I don't think anyone would care. What we have now is a game set in the areas of F1/2, erasing the NCR from existence, turning Shady Sands into a pre-war settlement, and effectively taking a big old retcon fueled dump all over the games fans actually cared about.

Granted, nothing after New Vegas should be considered canon anyway, but still.
 
So it's Fallout: The Atoms of Power?
Sure looks like it. They're even promoting it with that strange "we didn't make it for fans of Fallout, we made it for people who don't like Fallout!" Thing that the ROP showrunners did.

I hope it crashes and burns in the same way. It probably won't though, normies love gunfights and colorful explosions.
 
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This recent talk of cut content really makes me bummed at how tight the development cycle had to be. Just imagine if New Vegas had another half a year or more to put stuff in and give the game a polish.
Starfield was worked on for longer than New Vegas, with more resources, excuses and manpower.

if 1 or vegas isn't your favorite game, there's no point talking to you
i will die on this hill

1 has the best atmosphere
2 has a better boss; Frank Horrigan.
Tactics is great for the fights; 6 people stomping over mutants is a laugh
NV is great for the sandbox and POV shotgun to face on NPCs

The rest of the games; 3, 4, Brotherhood of Steel and 76 can disappear from the face of the earth.
 
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