Fallout series

[xXx: State of the Union]

Well, I told people to not even hate watch it as that still means they got your viewership.

Same. I've been trying to push an anti-hate watch/play stance for it feels like a year or two now but everyone just calls *that* autistic and dumb.

 

[CyrusHowler]

As the thread's resident Honest Hearts defender, please shut up. We get you don't like NV and I can respectfully disagree but at this point it's stopped being amusing watching everyone else give into your bait. I agree with you though that NV super fans are absolutely obnoxious and deserve to be beaten with a golf club.

Honest Hearts has to be defended? Why?

Nowhere have I ever said I disliked New Vegas. I just see it for what it actually is.

I wouldn’t say the things I say if I was wrong and also if New Vegas Fanboys didn’t act like they’re the one true sole fans of Fallout when it’s one of only 3 Fallout games they’ve played.
Most all of the major subhuman NV fanboys like Schizo Elijah (Rot in Piss dickbag) and Creetosis (Hopefully next) played Fallout 3 first.

They all claim to be these huge fallout fans who are trying to “save” a franchise that had less direction than a compass with no needle. Almost none of these Goobers have played the original games and if they did, it’s because of New Vegas and they played New Vegas because of Fallout 3.
Most people who played the original 2 games say 3 was a godsend.

Hell, even the devs of the original games say Bethesda did an amazing job with the franchise and the New Vegas people thanked Bethesda immensely for helping them any time they needed it with New Vegas. How many times does this “Bethesda hates Fallout” thing need to be debunked by your beloved non Bethesda Fallout devs before you’ll let it go?

 

[TheHarbinger]

Most people who played the original 2 games say 3 was a godsend.

I've never seen that said once on NMA or RPGCodex. Find me anyone with a join date on those sites from before 2008 praising Fallout 3. You have literally no idea what you are talking about or you are just pathetically lying.

Hell, even the devs of the original games say Bethesda did an amazing job with the franchise and the New Vegas people thanked Bethesda immensely for helping them any time they needed it with New Vegas.

Another lie. Multiple developers are literally on record as saying that Bethesda repeatedly sabotaged them in many ways. They had entire parts concerning Elijah and Ulysses that had to be removed from the final game because of Bethesda's bizarre design rules. Bethesda's "text lock" rules had them cut massive amounts of dialog from the four DLCs as well.

They wanted to insert new dialog into the main game with the DLCs and Bethesda forbid them. They wanted lines with Caesar if you interacted with Joshua that had to be cut. So if you killed Joshua you could inform Caesar and earn Legion trust. Or you would use Joshua's knowledge of the Legion in the final dialog of the last quest. Bethesda would not allow them to change the main game in any way though. When they found that out they quickly put some of the DLC dialog for Veronica into the main game before it shipped so that you could get post Dead Money conversations with Veronica about Elijah. They had to do this around Bethesda's rules in secret.

 

[Queen Aleena]

>Shady Sands is now in LA and the Boneyard is in ???
>some sort of massive "fall" in Shady Sands had occurred prior to (and yet no one talked about in) New Vegas
>Shady Sands is nuked after this "fall" by... Vault-Tec, who have somehow survived all of this time
>the NCR has seemingly been completely wiped out from their heartland, barely any remnants remain, all of their infrastructure and massive population has basically been reduced to nothing
>the Brotherhood of Steel goes from barely existing at all to being an immensely powerful force in less than two decades. Despite this, they are depicted in the show as being extremely incompetent and their culture is not faithful to the games
>Caesar's Legion is nonexistent
>New Vegas is shown to be completely abandoned with destroyed securitrons and crashed vertibirds
>Vault-Tec is overtly implied to have started the Great War by nuking America and/or China
>House was aware they might do this and was at the meeting when it was discussed, meaning that House's story he told in New Vegas was entirely a lie
>Sinclair was also at this meeting and was representing Big MT despite the scientists there using his well-intentioned resort to test unethical science experiments
>power armor, the technology that was so successful it allowed America to push into Chinese mainland, is shown to have a vulnerability that allows its wearer to be killed by a single shot to the front of the suit
>Vault-Tec are now a major faction
>the Brotherhood of Steel are now a major faction
>somehow, the Enclave has returned to become a major faction despite being wiped out in Fallout 2
Bethesda is not good at writing. Corporation-worshiping fags may heem and haw over "adaptation", but it's possible to create something new while still having some sort of respect for the source material. There's more than a few film adaptations of novels that do this. These are demonstrations of how to adapt or add onto a good idea. Bethesda's Fallout games are not.

People cling to New Vegas (and to a lesser extent, 1 and 2) because it is the last evidence of decent Fallout worldbuilding the world ever received. The franchise is in the hands of incredibly incompetent people and probably will be until an actual nuclear holocaust occurs.

 

[CyrusHowler]

@TheHarbinger The first bit made me roll my eyes at how desperate it was. The second part stunned me at how blatant of a lie it is that I almost scoffed.
Imagine being such a New Virginoid that you have to literally rewrite history.
https://twitter.com/ChrisAvellone/status/1434680893122101254

Corporation Obsidian worshiping fags

You’re still either a troon or a Femboy or a troon/Femboy furry. You would know plenty being a worshipping fag.

People cling to New Vegas because it is the last evidence of decent Fallout worldbuilding

Not USA, Walmart Rome and Dollar Store Howard Hughes in Vegas with some 50’s cowboy shit smeared on it isn’t good worldbuilding in a series that had fuck all of it anyway. Generic Post Apo brown nothingness with a “oh yeah this is a post app of an alternate history Retro future Atompunk world” reminder every once in a while isn’t fuckin world building.

 

[Queen Aleena]

What's the point of pleading with the thread for discussion with bait posts if your responses are lazy shit nobody can really work with? Sharty isn't sending their best.

 

[The Last Stand]

I'm quite shocked how underpowered you START upon doing Megaton. I cannot even go into the supermarket without being swarmed by bandits. Your equipment can WEAR down over time. Hoarding supplies can make you heavier. Stats are important upon leveling up. Is this an RPG or a survival type of game?

 

[TheHarbinger]

I'm quite shocked how underpowered you START upon doing Megaton. I cannot even go into the supermarket without being swarmed by bandits. Your equipment can WEAR down over time. Hoarding supplies can make you heavier. Stats are important upon leveling up. Is this an RPG or a survival type of game?

The first Fallout game puts the player on a timer and is pretty strict about being a survival game (the survival of your fellow Vault dwellers). One of the developers mods for New Vegas was a full re-balance of the survival modes in the game. Fallout 3's story is about fresh water being necessary for everyone if the Capital Wasteland is to survive and establish itself long term.

It's a post post-apocalyptic series. With mechanics like scavenging, hoarding, camping, hunting, and most importantly traveling and exploration. A huge amount of the games, at least 1-3 and New Vegas, are about surviving in the wastes. There are stats and perks that are specific to survival and endurance. Like giving you higher carrying weight capacity, being able to camp anywhere, or crafting and campfire recipes. Or even stuff like Animal Friend to make the open areas far less dangerous because wild animals are not constantly mauling you.

 

[Mister Uno]

I'm quite shocked how underpowered you START upon doing Megaton. I cannot even go into the supermarket without being swarmed by bandits. Your equipment can WEAR down over time. Hoarding supplies can make you heavier. Stats are important upon leveling up. Is this an RPG or a survival type of game?

Git gud

Seriously I don't understand what you're complaining about. Most of what your gripes are pretty standard in RPGs. Go to the school not far from Megaton/Vault since it's basically the first "dungeon" of the game to get more experience. Consider also that level scaling is a thing, so the more you level the harder the game becomes. Especially if you don't build right.
The supermarket is rough unless you have a sneak build. Either abuse the aisles or go in, alert them, then run back out. The NPCs will trickle out and it becomes a bit easier to manage. Some of the area outside the supermarket also have some quests and XP you can farm.

 

[Snekposter]

I agree with you though that NV super fans are absolutely obnoxious and deserve to be beaten with a golf club.

A slave obeys.

Anyone who doesn't use Nephi's Golf Driver for that challenge is a faggot, though. Go big or go home.

 

[CyrusHowler]

pleading with the thread for discussion with bait posts

Show me one time where I’ve pleaded for discussion.
I’ve seen like 4 posts on this thread that isn’t the same regurgitated New Virginoid garbage that’s been spouted since a corner of the internet collectively decided New Vegas wasn’t a steaming pile of bile (like most who played it in 2010 thought it was and it objectively was).

Sharty isn't sending their best.

Idk what that is but it sounds troony so I assume you, a troon, do know what it is.

Is this an RPG or a survival type of game?

It’s both. Fallout 3 is clunky but its themes, quests and characters make it so you can look past the age and have fun like most of the old Bethesda games.

Play New Vegas after 3 and it has slight improvements gameplay wise like being able to ADS and having the jury rigging perk. It’s not the masterpiece some claim it to be but it’s a fun time especially if you like 50’s era western aesthetic.

Unfortunately most of the characters are completely unlikable and the main story is pretty stupid. But a couple of the DLC’s are fun especially Honest Hearts.

Fallout 4 has the best graphics and gameplay of the series, the ability to sprint finally, and you can see what’s in a container by just looking at it.
Story isn’t groundbreaking but is engaging and the game has the best companion characters in a Bethesda game and some of the best side characters in gaming.
Has two really awesome big Expansions with smaller DLC’s that range from a new quest line involving robots to fixing up your own vault.

Base building is a thing in this game which can provide a lot of hours of fun itself if you’re into that sorta thing, and Junk now isn’t completely useless as it’s used for crafting weapons and armor.

Unfortunately, unique weapons are pretty much gone in Fallout 4 except for a handful and there’s not as many weapon types as there were in New Vegas.
Some of the weapons look ugly as shit too like the “Assault Rifle” which was originally supposed to be a Machine Gun and the pipe weapons suck. But it’s definitely the one where the most fun can be had as opposed to 3 and especially New Vegas.
The Commonwealth is a much more fun wasteland to explore than the Mojave is, which is a bunch of brown and more brown.

I agree with you though that NV super fans are absolutely obnoxious and deserve to be beaten with a golf club.

One of the few sane statements made on this thread.

 

[BlackDragoons]

>somehow, the Enclave has returned to become a major faction despite being wiped out in Fallout 2

I also hate the fact that the only hint of Super Mutants is with the Enclave.

Also don't get me started on the whole Vault-Tec shit.

 

[Mister Uno]

Fallout 4 has the best graphics and gameplay of the series, the ability to sprint finally, and you can see what’s in a container by just looking at it.
Story isn’t groundbreaking but is engaging and the game has the best companion characters in a Bethesda game and some of the best side characters in gaming.

Fallout 4 is a better shooter then Fallout NV and Fallout 3, however as an RPG it's worse in everyway. Hell I am not even a fan of Fallout 3 and consider it non-canon, but it was a better RPG then 4. Even Todd during an interview said they could of done better with that RPG elements, specifically with the dialogue (although this isn't the only issue). But despite having a better feel to combat, the game as very limited weapons compared to NV and even 3. There is really only a handful of them, that change based on the modifications you out on it, and only a few actually changed how the gun worked to feel like a different weapon. Perkwise they were just straight up number boosters for the most part. Yeah NV and especially 3 had these, but they also had perks that could change how a weapon worked (I barely remember 3's perks honestly). The companions were a mixed bag but I enjoyed the BoS guy and the Irish lady (personal bias there), but the rest were not very note worthy to me. The base building feels like an afterthought and gets either tedious or incredibly boring since I've had settlements NEVER get attacked. And IF they do, its while I am in the middle of something. This can be really fucking annoying if I am trying to get something done and I have to drop it to save this place. Not to mention, it's clunky and missing some things that could make it better, which there are mods for. I could go on about the world and lore but this is already a bit long.

TDLR: Fallout 4 is boring as shit especially as an RPG, and if I want to play a shooter there are far better options out there. Even with mods my friends and I get bored quick.
You just have awful tastes and a sperg on top of that. I swear there is always at least one of you in off-topic threads.

 

[Tri-Tachyon'sClown]

look at that red
ncrcucks wish they had more than commiefornia

Hell yeah brother. Ave, true to Caesar.

 

[Tri-Tachyon'sClown]

Anyone else had that issue?

I get what you mean, but it's not so strange. I've met plenty of people who had seemingly conflicting opinions and beliefs, I think that's just human nature. Besides, if it's entertainment, I'm sure people like the one you describe will view it as such and not much deeper. You don't have to be a normie to have normie opinions. Maybe tell them to re-watch the show after reading into the original lore (if you can, wikis are retroactively obliterating established lore in favor of the TV show, would be great if they split them into two different categories on the same page so you can easily see the difference), maybe watch it with them (or not at all, do not hate watch, let others do it for you) and point out why it's stupid. Might backfire though, if someone is watching something purely to be entertained they're not going to give a fuck about how wrong the show gets something. Muh pretty colors and all that.

I'd say 9 out of 10 people I know IRL that act "based" are actually consoomer faggots that are constantly going on about goyslop.

It's becoming cool to talk and post memes shit talking jews and the leftist agenda, but very few people seem to actually be willing to abandon this garbage.

I'd argue the same here actually, with the amount of people that ended up watching this entire series all the way through despite the fact it was obviously shit and gay.

That's the thing about based, everyone is using that word so often that it loses its meaning, everything and nothing is based now. Though I gotta agree, people will pretend or outright change their whole "vibe," for lack of a better word, to fit in with specific people, including being "based." Just a heads up, most people you talk to don't really understand or don't believe a fuckin' thing you'd think they would. Least from my experiences, doesn't make them bad. More like...foolish. Do not attribute to malice etc. etc.

What's the point of pleading with the thread for discussion with bait posts if your responses are lazy shit nobody can really work with? Sharty isn't sending their best.

Don't feed the trolls when they get stale. Give 'em the thumb.

The companions were a mixed bag but I enjoyed the BoS guy and the Irish lady (personal bias there), but the rest were not very note worthy to me.

Speaking of companions, Strong represents everything that's wrong with how Super Mutants are portrayed. They're nothing more than retards and having this retard be the most one note retard ever is grating enough for me to ignore his ass in the top of the tower. Contrast to Lily and Fawkes and it's just sad. I can go on about the rest of the companions but they're so unnoteworthy.

 

[God of Nothing]

That's the thing about based, everyone is using that word so often that it loses its meaning, everything and nothing is based now. Though I gotta agree, people will pretend or outright change their whole "vibe," for lack of a better word, to fit in with specific people, including being "based." Just a heads up, most people you talk to don't really understand or don't believe a fuckin' thing you'd think they would. Least from my experiences, doesn't make them bad. More like...foolish. Do not attribute to malice etc. etc.

some absolute fucking retard called paradox based for portraying that sick fuck elagabalus as a woman in one of the ck games
i will never forget it because that was the exact opposite of based: cucked

 

[NPZCC]

Fallout 4 is a better shooter then Fallout NV and Fallout 3, however as an RPG it's worse in everyway. Hell I am not even a fan of Fallout 3 and consider it non-canon, but it was a better RPG then 4.

What are your top 5 RPG elements or mechanics that make a game saying it's an RPG an RPG?

But despite having a better feel to combat, the game as very limited weapons compared to NV and even 3.

Fallout 4 has better gameplay, but the games with worse gameplay have a lot more worse looking guns with even worse looking animations?

Fallout 4's guns all look like garbage, but so do all of the ones from NV and FO3. The animations and models were embarrassing even for their time.

If you're gonna argue in favor of NV over FO4 you should make better arguments and use proper examples of things NV gets right.

The base building feels like an afterthought

It was shoehorned into a bunch of main quest stuff. It wasn't the base building that felt like an afterthought, it was the NPC AI interacting with the bases that was the afterthought.

 

[why42]

Honest Hearts has to be defended? Why?

Nowhere have I ever said I disliked New Vegas. I just see it for what it actually is.

I wouldn’t say the things I say if I was wrong and also if New Vegas Fanboys didn’t act like they’re the one true sole fans of Fallout when it’s one of only 3 Fallout games they’ve played.
Most all of the major subhuman NV fanboys like Schizo Elijah (Rot in Piss dickbag) and Creetosis (Hopefully next) played Fallout 3 first.

They all claim to be these huge fallout fans who are trying to “save” a franchise that had less direction than a compass with no needle. Almost none of these Goobers have played the original games and if they did, it’s because of New Vegas and they played New Vegas because of Fallout 3.
Most people who played the original 2 games say 3 was a godsend.

Hell, even the devs of the original games say Bethesda did an amazing job with the franchise and the New Vegas people thanked Bethesda immensely for helping them any time they needed it with New Vegas. How many times does this “Bethesda hates Fallout” thing need to be debunked by your beloved non Bethesda Fallout devs before you’ll let it go?

No offense but you have subhuman garbage takes. After the TV show how you can actually believe bethesda has any respect for the franchise. Theirs Also nothing wrong with being introduced to series with 3. Fallout 3 was an alright game.

 

[Tri-Tachyon'sClown]

some absolute fucking retard called paradox based for portraying that sick fuck elagabalus as a woman in one of the ck games
i will never forget it because that was the exact opposite of based: cucked

Not just that, but he was the first Empress instead of Irene of Athens lol. Remember, these are the people who removed the word Deus Vult because it was "offensive..."ignoring all the other things that might be "offensive." I remember when that clown isorrow went ape shit at anyone complaining about it because "muh fascism." I think they put it back in though. Based...PDX...right...

 

[Mister Uno]

What are your top 5 RPG elements or mechanics that make a game saying it's an RPG an RPG?

I mentioned some, but Fallout 4 has the bare minimum to be considered a real RPG. I mentioned that perks are mainly just stat boosters in Fallout 4 with some exceptions, hardly any actually affect the ROLEPLAYING aspect of the game. Fallout NV you had perks for seduction, terrifying presence, cannibal, etc etc. Some of these are good for gameplay but some are only really good for roleplaying( sorta, some have more options then others) Fallout 4 doesn't have a lot of these compared to any previous games. Even Fallout 3 had more of these kinds of options. This goes for skill checks as well. Did I mention that Fallout 4 doesn't have a level cap, so your build only matters early to mid game? This is utter shit and have no idea why Bethesda does this, they even did it for Skyrim. Guess they feel normalfags and genuine autists only like to see their numbers go up.
Your character, depending on if you choose Nora or Nate, have a pre-determined background and personality. While you play, you can be a bit of an asshole but you don't have many opportunities to be a straight up asshole or sadistic compared to F:NV or FO3. I hardly remember ever having the options to, even though you can supposedly be a raider. You clan either be a nice guy/gal, or an slightly less nice guy/gal. In New Vegas, I might be a courier no matter what, but what you did before, your background, and your personality is all determined by you. If Bethesda INSISTS on a voiced protag with a some personality, at least do what Cyberpunk 2077 did and have it to where I can choose a background, and can be flexible on how he is as a person, and have you fill in the gaps.
There are only two real endings to the game, anything you do with factions doesn't really impact those endings unlike Fallout New Vegas. You're forced to side with the Minutemen no matter what, which sucks since I don't even care for them as a faction. What is the point of giving me options if all it really does is let me see a faction more or less? Granted this is more then what New Vegas does outside of the slides (hell you can't continue after the battle for Hoover Dam), but the devs had far less time then Bethesda did for Fallout 4. I prefer the slides with a variety of endings then what Fallout 4 did, since it felt like I actually did something roleplaying as my character.

Fallout 4 has better gameplay, but the games with worse gameplay have a lot more worse looking guns with even worse looking animations?

Fallout 4's guns all look like garbage, but so do all of the ones from NV and FO3. The animations and models were embarrassing even for their time.

Graphics are only the icing on the cake. The animations, textures, and models look worse sure (you're also comparing an older game), but they're serviceable. If having nicer textures and animations make a game better in your opinion, then there is something wrong with you. Fallout 4 also had much more development time and funding, it's impressive they churned out what they did despite not even having two years of development time on an engine they knew nothing about starting. But I would also argue that they were too ambitious and tried to shove as much stuff in as possible despite being limited on time. Game is notorious for how much content had to be cut, including Legion stuff which is a damn shame. Imagine if they were given a few more years of development time?

If you're gonna argue in favor of NV over FO4 you should make better arguments and use proper examples of things NV gets right.

I was avoiding this because I didn't want to bloat the post more but since you're asking. Besides the RPG shit I've mentioned above already.
>perks are better overall
>ammo types
>no level scaling
>more weapon variety
>well written (for the most part)
>a level cap
>traits (this can change how you play)
>more moddable
I will give Fallout 4 credit for a few things at least besides the improved gunplay.
>energy weapons feel so much better compared to F:NV
>the power armor changes are awesome
<but you get it at the very beginning of the game, which turns the early game into a cake walk
They should of made them harder to find. Same with the reactors to keep them powered.
>searching containers is better since it's real time
>character creation is better

It was shoehorned into a bunch of main quest stuff. It wasn't the base building that felt like an afterthought, it was the NPC AI interacting with the bases that was the afterthought.

I don't think it should of been in the game in the first place. It doesn't really add anything, it's just bloat.