Fallout series

[S3y88]

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how do you even play with Agility 3, i had to restart my first run because i had it on 6 and i got cancer for being able to attack only once per turn

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Basic tactics and training can be done within 12 weeks under proper conditions.

NCR troopers are shoved out the gate in 1 week. Also, with them losing the Mojave, most of your ''officers'' are getting killed and the army will be in too much of a mess to properly train the rest.

I admit the rangers aren't seen committing much subterfuge but they're still very able at intelligence if only because they have deeper ranks to draw from. Frumentarii are a budding agency at best and their effectiveness with Tribals won't entirely translate against California itself.

False. Frumentarii are well-trained spies who blend in perfectly within their enemy's ranks. There's a Frumentarii in Camp McCarran and the NCR is completely unaware of him. Also, once Hanlon eats a bullet or gets decapitated by Caesar, the Rangers' power, according to the lore, is shaken greatly, since their power is reliant on the experience of the older members. If Hanlon and the Rangers in the Mojave bite it, the Rangers back home are reduced to a shell of their former selves.

''After the death of Chief Hanlon, the power of NCR's Rangers was broken for years. Their organization, so reliant on the wisdom and guidance of its elder members, became a shadow of what it once was to people across the wasteland.''
-Ending slide if Chief Hanlon kills himself

His lack of tact starts affecting the Legion from the start. Sending hordes to die at the Boomers, killing promising assets like the Followers and smashing everything in New Vegas to the point that he might as well have not bothered conquering it demonstrates that he's going to waste his manpower to a worse extent than the NCR ever could in just maintaining his conquests.

The Followers won't serve him anyways. The Boomers, sure, they're a problem, but the NCR shares the same problem when they wanted the Brotherhood dead, and you offering an olive branch to the latter pisses off Colonel Moore. Hell, Moore is literally the Lanius of the NCR, and she's one of your ''officers''

Thing is, militarily, Lanius can easily spot the weakness of any commanding officer and manipulate it for his own gain, hence why he sent troops to infiltrate the Dam because it wasn't built for war. Any commanding officer the NCR sends against Lanius is likely to lose, and with the senators and brahmin barons caring more about their own filthy hides than the common good, they'll likely surrender to Lanius to avoid being destroyed.

As for manpower, the Legion practically mass-breeds soldiers for that shit. Even more so than the NCR. So they've got more than enough to spare, and Lanius knows it.

I'm not sure what game you played. There's are multiple full fledged corporations backing the NCR MIC. The NCR isn't doing its best giving them the supplies but it's producing them and turning out more than kids with machetes.

The game openly says that NCR caravans are getting attacked and destroyed by raiders. Meanwhile, the game also says that Legion caravans are safe. And we see everywhere in the game that those ''kids with machetes'' have guns up the ass, from service rifles, shotguns, machine guns, and marksman carbines. Piss off the Legion, and most of their hit squads you meet have some pretty good guns like 12.7mm SMGs, brush guns, and other cowboy weapons that hit really hard.

They might have lost the Mojave that's true, but that's not because it isn't an able war machine. Those footsloggers and bureaucrats are very keen assets for an army to have. You need people like that to keep any kind of effective army going and that broken mad man was worse than useless in turning on his own mission.

But there's no leaders who can formulate proper strategies, and the Legion also has footsloggers and bureaucrats aplenty. But the Legion also has better tacticians than the NCR, which will obviously lead to the NCR getting creamed in future conflicts. Especially when NCR soldiers are given a week's worth of training and sent to die, whereas Legion troops are trained for years on end.

The NCR can absolutely wipe the floor with the powder gangers and that's exactly what happens when you go far enough down that quest line on either perspective. All it takes is a platoon and they will render the prison floors slick with blood if you let the battle play out from the sidelines.

And yet the Powder Gangers and the Fiends harass NCR citizens with impunity unless the Courier gets involved. Which of course, will continue if the Courier is never involved at all.

''The NCR, battered by the loss of the Dam, were unable to devote any troops to retaking the Correctional Facility from the Powder Gangers. As a result, Powder Ganger raids on caravans became an unfortunate fact of life in the Mojave for years to come.

Armed with a wide array of improvised explosives and stolen weapons, the Vault 19 Powder Gang tormented the Mojave Wasteland for years. Citizens of the NCR were favorite targets, and they always suffered the worst fates.''

As for the Fiends, if you don't kill their leaders, they will inflict heavy casualties on the NCR.
''Never weakened by NCR, the Fiends staged an attack against Camp McCarran during the Second Battle of Hoover Dam. Though NCR repulsed the Fiends, they suffered heavy losses in the process.''

So yes, minus the Courier, the Powder Gangers run wild and kill NCR citizens with impunity, while the Fiends slaughter the NCR troops before being repulsed.

The man won the first battle so its OK for him to throw the second?

Because he can see that it's a hopeless situation. And being the smartest man on the NCR side, he's the one who is the most qualified to give such an opinion.

Literally, without a dude with plot armor or an army of robots, the NCR will lose the Dam. Meanwhile, even without the Courier's help, the Legion can easily take the Dam and overtake the Mojave, because everything has already been planned out.

I mean Lanius would be a Sith if we are being honest so if we are doing the iconic Mustafar battle then he would lose. I'm not even a Legion ball washer and I would prefer him to win, cause objectively he would.

Exactly. Meanwhile, you can have Caesar as Palpatine and Aaron Kimball as Yoda having a fight of their own.
*Kimball knocks out the two Praetorians guarding Caesar*
''I hear a new Legatus you have, Caesar. Or should I call you Edward Sallow?''
''President Kimball. You survived.''

Exatcly, they are basically a mix of the NCR and the Yes Man route taking the better parts of post at the cost of worse writing.

It's basically what if the Sole Survivor built his own NCR.

True, love em or hate em the Institute has the potential so much awesome shit that 4 squandered big time, shame since the build up established in 3 via the replicated man quest is kinda neat.

Basically, yes. The Institute had so much potential. A good character can share its technology with the world and unite it with the prospect of peace, an evil character can use it to create an army of high-tech war droids and take over the Commonwealth.

OH MY GOD THAT WOULD BE SO FUCKING PERFECT AND HILARIOUS! Man now I want to see that happen, like just imagine the Prydwen getting taken down by a old ass bomber that came outta nowhere, that would be hilarious. Brotherhood cucks on suicide watch.

Exactly. The Boomers fly by and BOOM, the Prydwen sinks like a drunk fratboy belly-flopping into a volcano.

It's only really been the hot thing to do to hate 3 specifically after Hbomb made his video full of stolen takes about it. Fallout 3 was widely acclaimed when it came out with only a few super grognards seething about it back in the day.

Hell, back then people loved FO3 and hated FNV because the latter, as per all Obsidian titles, have more bugs than a beehive.

Fallout 3's fuckups seem more like shit people just don't like rather than massive and terrible lore blunders that effectively destroy the setting. The big complaints I always hear are "The Brotherhood are good guys now", which they take great pains to explain, and "Why are there super mutants and Enclave?" Which also makes sense.

They openly stated that the real Brotherhood in the game are the Outcasts. Who act like their usual tech scavenging selves and they pay you in exchange for tech samples.

The Enclave specifically, if they were going to have a holdout group stationed anywhere, the capital of the United States makes sense.

The fact that they were originally placed in some dipshit oil rig off the coast of California never made sense to me. Some Red Chinese warship can easily rock up and blow them to hell. But an underground bunker near the White House, that makes perfect sense. That's where the president should've evacuated to right before the bombs dropped.

Otherwise it is just extremely pedantic shit like "What do dey eats?" Which is absolutely the kind of faggot nerd shit that doesn't matter and shouldn't when it comes to RPG design.

The fact that they're willing to say that Fallout 3 is a bad game because of such tiny details is why I never take these idiots seriously. I mean, come on, that's such a tiny detail that nobody really gives a shit. Maybe they get their food from traveling caravans or from stockpiles of frozen food stashed someplace.

 

[Spider Princess Fan]

Fallout 3's fuckups seem more like shit people just don't like rather than massive and terrible lore blunders that effectively destroy the setting

Rivet City android quest is a huge fuckup, as it sets the level of robotics beyond anything previously established, all robots before 3 are either massive and/or completely non-anthropomorphic and very limited in functions that they can perform, then out of nowhere you have an android, with its human proportions, who is not only indistinguishable from a living being, but also possess the level of intelligence that could be considered human like.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Never get the transgender obsession with fallout new Vegas is objectively the least progressive of all of the games all of the factions besides the NCR are right wing and the NCR is insanely corrupt

NCR are neocons, House is a capitalist, Caesar is their attempt at a fascist character, there's no choice for liberals or Commies, even the Yes Man ending comes off as a ''Don't step on Snek'' thing with it being libertarian bordering on anarchist.

For the weed launch of the fallout series fallout 3 is actually pretty good people who hate on it obsessively don't even understand that game design work is it perfect absolutely not for what it is is a pretty good yes

Of course. Most of these twats sperg out about minor lore details and think a game is bad because of that.

In Fallout 3, an Evil playthrough has you being mustache-twirling evil for no fucking reason. Blow up one of the few standing cities in a Wasteland for like 1000 caps, sure, yeah, I'll do it. Shit won't even buy me a unique weapon but you had me at "Blow shit up." Bastard Lone is played as a teenager lashing out against the world at many points, coming pretty close to having a "Fuck you, dad" moment when he says he's disappointed.

You do realize it is fun for people to play as a mustache-twirling bad guy, right? Part of the fun of playing evil characters is just being that merciless son of a bitch who kills people at the drop of a hat.

In reality there's pretty much no reason to go around the Wasteland being a bastard. There's almost no reward in it. Sure, it's handy to come out of the Vault being evil to grab Jericho and get carried through a few of the initial fights, but in the long term it's just about roleplay. Oooh, I've got clover, edgy sex slave follower, she's packing a sawn off shotgun and her DPS is literally worse than just punching shit barehanded. What's the Good Follower, you say? Oh an invincible super mutant tank with a gatling laser that can melt shit in two seconds? Redemption story time it is!

No shit. Both sides get a karma follower, it's just that yes, being good means the world will reward you for it, while being a son of a bitch means that people will go after you just for being a son of a bitch.

Even if you were going solo, Evil Karma simply has no rewards and almost always comes off as Bastard Lone actively going out of his way to cheat, lie and murder for kicks.

Because some people derive fun and pleasure out of it. Like how some people who play New Vegas derive pleasure from being cannibals. There's no sense in it, no real reward; hell, your character will probably get sick from doing it, but the option's there anyways.

 

[Mega Black]

Maybe they get their food from traveling caravans or from stockpiles of frozen food stashed someplace.

There is also an insane amount of irradiated wildlife in the Capital Wasteland. Probably not enough to sustain entire cities, no, but it doesn't seem like a stretch to me that people probably got a not-insignificant amount of food by simply stepping ten feet outside their home and blowing away radscorpions, molerats, bloatflies or mirelurks.

Hell there is an old lady that lives in a shack with her sons somewhere in Dac who specifically mentions that they hunt lurks, and make enough money doing so to sustain themselves.

then out of nowhere you have an android, with its human proportions, who is not only indistinguishable from a living being, but also possess the level of intelligence that could be considered human like

Most of the AI in Fallout is capable of human-like thought. Besides, it's been 200 years since the bombs dropped and The Institute has been tucked away working on their androids for that entire time. It makes sense even if it is different and more advanced. They are the only ones doing the advancing.

That doesn't really bother me with how it is depicted in Fallout 3. Again, it isn't a massive lore fuckup, it is just writing you don't personally like.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

There is also an insane amount of irradiated wildlife in the Capital Wasteland. Probably not enough to sustain entire cities, no, but it doesn't seem like a stretch to me that people probably got a not-insignificant amount of food by simply stepping ten feet outside their home and blowing away radscorpions, molerats, bloatflies or mirelurks.

Exactly. They probably have foraging parties that go out and kill some wildlife to get food the old-fashioned way. That was how mankind fed itself before they invented farming.

Hell there is an old lady that lives in a shack with her sons somewhere in Dac who specifically mentions that they hunt lurks, and make enough money doing so to sustain themselves.

So they already had an explanation, just one these critics did not want to hear.

That doesn't really bother me with how it is depicted in Fallout 3. Again, it isn't a massive lore fuckup, it is just writing you don't personally like.

Which again, is part of the reason the FO3 critics just don't really jive with me. It's like they're angry at the story for taking a different direction, not because it had any real fuck-up. All their complaints boil down to ''FO3 did X and I don't like it'', but they act like it's an objective criticism when it's pretty much rooted in their POV and opinion.

 

[Vida]

With the setting, factions, tone & RPG elements dumbed down, what is the point of playing Fallout 5 over the next far cry, borderlands, etc.?

 

[Übertroon]

Er, no. If we take the Courier out of it, the Legion wins hands-down. Like I said, without the Courier, Kimball and Oliver will die, Hanlon will keep demoralizing the NCR forces with false reports, Lanius will win the Hoover Dam battle, House will never get the chip, Benny will get crucified, and while Caesar will die from the brain tumor, Lanius will be more than happy to shoulder his burden and seize both the Dam and the Mojave, which will mean that all the blood the NCR sacrificed to hold the Dam would've been for nothing.

The NCR is already at its breaking point in FNV. They really need the win in order to rebuild their faltering morale and revitalize their overstretched army. Their victory in Navarro was against a small Enclave force that was left behind while the main force left for DC. Their victory against the Brotherhood was due to numbers. Their victory against Joshua Graham was due to luck, and we see the latter be proven true as all over the Mojave in FNV, the Legion acts unabated while the NCR is scared shitless of them.

The Legion is the lead faction in FNV, not the NCR. They're the one that's scaring the shit out of everyone while the NCR is reduced to a punchline. Outside of the Rangers, their army is a joke.

Ah yes, because no Republic has ever lost a leader and survived. Ignore the Roman Republic losing like six consuls to Hannibal and still trucking. Meanwhile the Legion as a tribal horde has a big issue with succession. Most empires without proper succession rules end up with every would be warlord declaring themselves emperor.
Without the Courier the Legion will spend the next decade tearing itself apart to decide who will be the next Caesar.

 

[TheHarbinger]

With the setting, factions, tone & RPG elements dumbed down, what is the point of playing Fallout 5 over the next far cry, borderlands, etc.?

Fallout has three RPG games. 1, 2, and New Vegas. Everything else is basically a different genre. Usually involving shooting and looting. With superficial at best or nearly zero at worst actual RPG mechanics. If Fallout 5 is anything like 76 then expect things like multiplayer, zero lore consistency, extreme emphasis on shooter based combat, and almost no dialog or story beyond "find enemies and shoot them for their loot".

Most likely we have already seen the future of the Fallout franchise. In Starfield and Fallout 76. So if you didn't like those games you are not going to like anything from Fallout moving forward. Either play the old games or get invested in Wasteland Warfare for the tabletop.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Ah yes, because no Republic has ever lost a leader and survived. Ignore the Roman Republic losing like six consuls to Hannibal and still trucking. Meanwhile the Legion as a tribal horde has a big issue with succession. Most empires without proper succession rules end up with every would be warlord declaring themselves emperor.
Without the Courier the Legion will spend the next decade tearing itself apart to decide who will be the next Caesar.

Except again, the NCR is full of corrupt senators and brahmin barons. How did the Roman Republic fall and become an Empire again? Oh, that's right, corrupt senators and landowners cucking the system leading to the people supporting a dictator in power. Without Kimball and Oliver to hold them in check, they would more than likely plunder the state for all it's worth before surrendering to Caesar to preserve their power, a deal Caesar would likely make since he's trying to synthesize the NCR and the Legion into a new state.

Also, without the Courier or Caesar, Lanius will rule the Legion, and Lanius could easily pick a successor for himself as well. I mean, it's not like centralized monarchies have lasted for thousands of years or anything. The Roman Empire did last from 27 BC to AD 1453. Up to 1800 AD if we include the restored Roman Empire that was the Holy Roman Empire, which was declared in 800 AD. Compare that to the Roman Republic which lasted from 509 BC-27 BC.

Also, during the war with Hannibal, the Romans dedicated the entire state to defeating him and practiced the same kind of total war that the FNV Caesar practiced against the NCR. The NCR, not so much, since they redirected their best forces to protect the interests of brahmin barons and senators, sending wave after wave of expendable buffoons who were barely trained for a week to die in the Mojave against an army whose soldiers were trained from childhood to kill. Hence why their best tactician became a suicidal doomer who's trying to get the NCR to retreat from the Mojave in good order before the Legion comes in and creams them. I had to fucking kill Caesar and everyone in the Fort to get that old bag to change his mind.

The NCR doesn't have the extreme patriotism and dedication to the state that the Roman Republic had. During times of extreme stress, the Republic would give total government power to dictators to solve problems. The NCR is too divided and weak to make such a move. If they were wise enough, they'd appoint Colonel Moore or President Kimball as the military dictator of the Republic and give them absolute power to solve the Legion crisis. They didn't. Instead, they sent dudes in potato-sack uniforms to die fighting in a godforsaken pit that they don't even control. They let their caravans get ambushed and murdered while some of their best troops are guarding cattle ranches owned by the rich.

 

[Mysterious Autist XX]

With the setting, factions, tone & RPG elements dumbed down, what is the point of playing Fallout 5 over the next far cry, borderlands, etc.?

Because Borderlands' writing got even worse than modern Fallout's.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

With the setting, factions, tone & RPG elements dumbed down, what is the point of playing Fallout 5 over the next far cry, borderlands, etc.?

They could always make new factions. A new Enclave, a new raider tribe with a different theme, maybe some other remnant of old-world America similar to the Institute.

 

[Tsukasa Kadoya]

how do you even play with Agility 3, i had to restart my first run because i had it on 6 and i got cancer for being able to attack only once per turn

Badly. I usually only use vats to cripple enemies or to headshot raiders that refuse to stand still.

 

[Spider Princess Fan]

Most of the AI in Fallout is capable of human-like thought

Doubt, most the robots are not capable of anything beyond rudimentary duties, either as security (eye-bot, sentry bot, turrets ) where they are still limited strictly by their IFF and can be reprogrammed or basic manual labor ( mr. Handy ), the only instances of AIs that are capable of actual intelligence are ZAX and Skynet, both of them are supercomputers, and latter one is optionally uploaded into a robobrain, which technically makes him a cyborg, since his capabilities are tied directly to the quality of brain material provided.

 

[Übertroon]

Except again, the NCR is full of corrupt senators and brahmin barons. How did the Roman Republic fall and become an Empire again? Oh, that's right, corrupt senators and landowners cucking the system leading to the people supporting a dictator in power. Without Kimball and Oliver to hold them in check, they would more than likely plunder the state for all it's worth before surrendering to Caesar to preserve their power, a deal Caesar would likely make since he's trying to synthesize the NCR and the Legion into a new state.

You're making a lot of assumptions now about what the death of the President entails. If Kimball being killed leads to some rich NCR senator declaring himself Emperor of California and toppling the corrupt state I would call that an interesting and logical progression. But the rich class of California serving the nation to Caesar on a platter makes no sense. They're among the people with the most to lose if Caesar wins.

Also Lanius is not going to automatically make the rest of the Legion submit to him. In fact that's why you can persuade him to leave the Mojave. To stop wasting men fighting the NCR and instead march back to Legion territory to crush any would be pretenders. Which was the same reason why the Mongols left eastern europe and the levant when Genghis Khan died

 

[TheHarbinger]

The only instances of AIs that are capable of actual intelligence are ZAX and Skynet.

A certain genocidal toaster would disagree.

 

[S3y88]

Had to search a couple hours just to get Fallout 3 to work with Script Extender thank you Todd for the great update can't wait to break Fallout 4 soon as well

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Had to search a couple hours just to get Fallout 3 to work with Script Extender thank you Todd for the great update can't wait to break Fallout 4 soon as well

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Man, just play TTW.
Start in Capital Wasteland and never go into New Vegas.

 

[S3y88]

Man, just play TTW.
Start in Capital Wasteland and never go into New Vegas.

is it one to one to fallout 3 ?

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

is it one to one to fallout 3 ?

What?
TTW is a megamod for new vegas, letting play fo3 with new vegas gameplay: survival skill, hardcore and such.
You have basically 2 games into one.