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Serbian Peacekeepers
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I have a feeling the TV show fell into the same trap that the Halo show did, where the people who wrote for it really, really didn't want to make a video game show but were forced into it, so they spent the entire writing process changing as much as they could get away with to make it their own without pissing off the rights holders.
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It is abundantly clear nobody on the team did even the bare minimum amount of research, ie 5 minutes on the wiki. Then again, same can be said about Bethesda, so I guess they aren't any worse in that regard. I can't see anyone who actually cares about Fallout taking this show seriously, they could make DUST canon for all I care and it won't impact me in the slightest since I will never watch it or even consider events or characters from the show in the timeline. This is just bad fanfiction.
There is dozens of food merchants delivering food to The Strip and surrounding areas, from big suppliers like Crimson Caravans and whoever is delivering to the NCR(you know, feeding an entire damn army of a major nation) to smaller ones feeding local travelers and townspeople like The Nash's or The Grub n' Gulp Rest Stop, not to mention the misc traveling caravans. Of course, anyone who played the game knows this already, so either he didn't or he's doing his bit again where he tries to bring NV to F3's level so he doesn't feel like the inferior one in the conversation(very common when talking with Bethesda fans). In this case, if someone calls him out on it, he will just say that he was joking and that "you're mad" like some small child on 4chan, of course.
It is for normalfags who don't know anything about Fallout or clueless Bethesda retards who know nothing about the franchise so they don't care anyways as long as there is power armor and nuka cola they can clap to anytime they see it on the screen.
I unironically heard that from some cocksucker at least once when S1 was relevant in the news.
As much as I like ribbing on Bethesda fans, at least they played the games. It is safe to say that the TV show tourists are an entirely different class of subhuman altogether.
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Set the game 25 years after the bombs dropped, add aim down sights, better overall gun design, no level scaling, add more choices to make throughout the main quest, including an option to either side with Eden or Colonel Autumn. Go through the script and rewrite all the especially retarded lines into something less retarded.
My favorite part is when she sees the NCR flag and it plays an ominous leitmotif of the FALLOUT 4 THEME! Where The NCR is not even present. Which means somebody googled what game the NCR are in and saw New Vegas as 'the 4th mainline entry' and ripped music from Fallout 4 like a retard instead.
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I might have mentioned it before but fallout 3, for all of its failings, at least attempts to show grit and horror. The TV show is utter comical farce. So that's why I can't even think it was made for Bethesda fallout fans since it's so strange and divergent in tone from 3; but I suppose upon further inspection 4 and 76 laid a lot of that ground work beforehand.
Though I must also say fallout 3 was visually carried by Adam adamowicz who unfortunately is no longer with us. 4's art direction is so bizarrely backwards. A simple example: the safes in 3 have a digital keypad, the safes in 4 have a giant old west style wheel latch. It's such a strange choice.
Though I must also say fallout 3 was visually carried by Adam adamowicz who unfortunately is no longer with us. 4's art direction is so bizarrely backwards. A simple example: the safes in 3 have a digital keypad, the safes in 4 have a giant old west style wheel latch. It's such a strange choice.
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I found the armor mod I was talking about
Released on November 13th 2010, btw. You be the judge if these retarded hacks just stole a mod that is almost 15 years old now.
The art direction in 3 was pure kino, I don't think anyone will deny that. Fallout 4 was all the worse for going with a generic Jetsons 50-60's look to everything even when it made no goddamn sense. They couldn't even get the guns right, no other example is needed other than the dreadful "Assault Rifle" in that regard.
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Sometimes it's not even Jetsons, it's just 1920s. The assault rifle being some big interwar water-cooled nonsense is evidence of this. I really think when Boston was chosen as the location, some people on the team wanted to do some Lovecraft derivative thing, 20s aesthetics and all.
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The devs were going for a WW1 watercooled heavy machine gun for the "assault rifle", it's look is no coincidence so not even the 1920s but the early 1900s.
Frankly, I don't think anyone there knew what the fuck they were doing, art direction in Fallout 4 is all over the place and the best looking parts of it are those closest in line to classic games or Fallout 3. They really needed someone like Adam to reign them in.
Funnily enough, I like the Institute motifs despite them being very generic sci-fi, but when you're working with such garbage on the surface of Boston, I guess even something white and sterile is a reprieve.
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The main thing I'd do is to have the game world either in a similar level of ruin but at a much earlier time relative to the war, or still have it be like 200 years later but everything is actually developed on the scale of Fallout 2 or New Vegas. That level of consistency alone would address a big chunk of the complaints about the game's faulty worldbuilding in one fell swoop. It would probably also need a completely different main quest, but at least the environment itself would actually suspend your disbelief.
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Jesus Christ I wanted to see what I missed and it's just pages of this nigger going "to be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Creetosis." I think Fo3 and 4 are niggercattle trash but see that pretentious madness made me want to pull a 180 on my opinion.
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The upscaling of the NCR Ranger helmet into PA size looks goofy and retarded
For shits and giggles, instead of making it be set 20 years after the bombs, id make it a re-nuked hellhole because shenanagins (insert enclave or other faggy antagonist group here) and make it a retarded post-post apocalypse
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This proves my point. Heck Gunderson's brahmin are where? California? How are we getting them to New Vegas? There is no logistics. There's no sense to it. Are they walked? There is never any mention of Brahmin runs (would actually be a really fun quest, having the courier protect the herd as they make the journey to vegas, could have it be clearing the path north of Goodsprings). Even if this is the case there's still no indication of it in game. Where does this herd of brahmin sit prior to slaughter? Are they just deposited to the casinos on the strip directly? Why don't you see herders going through Freeside? Maybe they're killed prior to entering the Mojave. If that's the case where are the caravans that deliver them? How do they keep the meat from spoiling on the journey?
This leads directly into the stuff someone else in this thread driveled out as some kind of own. The sharecropper farm supplies all of Vegas *and* the NCR and surrounding territories? Oh no the Crimson Caravan deals in food with their... zero caravans? Ringo runs the only one that explicitly identifies as a Crimson Caravan Company caravan and it's destroyed before the Courier wanders out of Doc Mitchell's house. Oh no wait the Grub and Gulp fills in the gaps in the supply chain. The Grub and Gulp in question:
Three Brahmin will supply the strip. Don't ask me how.
The rest of the caravans we see in game are destroyed, or traveling nowhere. They do a small loop down by the Mojave outpost, or travel from a random spawn point near Novac, and if you're lucky they wander out in a random direction towards Hidden Valley. If you're unlucky they continue to sit in Novac, which is arguably better since you'll be able to use their services later in game. None of them make it to the 188 Trading Post just up the road. This hub of commerce has 2 merchants that run the bar, a Gun Runner merchant behind a skill check, and you might be able to buy some stuff from a more affiliated NCR woman (she was former NCR, off the top of my head I don't remember if you can barter with her.) Oh and the kid that can read your future!
Mind you this doesn't bother me. Going back to the point of my previous post, this is the kind of stuff that is condemned in Fallout 3 but when pointed out the issues in New Vegas leaps and bounds are made to justify and defend. This doesn't matter to me. Heck says he supplies the Strip then he does. I don't need the brahmin pens that house them prior to the strip to be present to understand they exist, the same way I don't need the Chairmen to show me the stills in the Topps to know they're around. Notice how someone who obsesses acts though. All of a sudden the other groups arguments are steeped in "17 layers of irony" and they're soiling their pants in rage, and actually engaging with their argument is unwarranted because they aren't making any. There is a user right now who is struggling to sneed and every time it becomes blatantly obvious he throws a tard rage and just talks down to everyone involved.
I thought the armor mechanic was kind of neat and visually things looked good. I have a mod that lets you make adjustments to every aspect of it so you can basically craft a piece into specifically what you want, so I've been able to deck people out in full Leather or combat and change the sizes to be heavy so it covers more of them. Getting to see the sets in their complete versions makes a lot of the stuff look great. I wish they had put more underclothes in the game, as that's where I feel like stuff is lacking. The raiders just have long johns, harnesses, and the normal leather jacket or "raider leathers." Including some variants of the older raider armors would solve the problem and just give some additional variety. The normal clothes look a bit too vibrant to me. Very rarely do I see a settler that would look good in normie clothes as most of the settlers are dirty and the clothes are spotless. The Far Harbor clothes in particular do a good job of adding to the scenery. Everyone on the coast is dressed for living by the Atlantic and I want to bring that to a settlement or two in the Commonwealth when I find the time. It is neat having people look the part tho. Every settlement I have guards in I try to deck out in full gear and Minutemen clothes, and there's even a few where I've got the settlers in more bandit-y outfits like they were recruited to defend the settlement in areas that are a bit more dangerous on an immediate need basis.
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"When someone has the same opinion as you but they express it in such an annoying and obnoxious way that you lowkey don't want to agree" continues to a be defining law of the internet.
My main change would be removing the BoS and making the Enclave a vastly more imposing and unique foe instead of "Evil Black Brotherhood". The fight for Project Purity would then become the DC Metro area's settlements banding together to defeat the Enclave to secure their own future in the wasteland, Instead of the BoS just playing babysitter to the retarded children that are the settlements in game. Hell, have a quest where you go and raid a Army Depot to acquire old pre-war T-45s to level the playing field somewhat. Make the fight for Project Purity a actual, hard fight instead of having Liberty Prime do all the heavy lifting.
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As someone who has been bullying bethestoids for nearly 20 years, I haven't seen someone still triggered about this particular point in years, holy shit. I really did thought you were doing a bit, but apparently not.This proves my point. Heck Gunderson's brahmin are where? California? How are we getting them to New Vegas? There is no logistics. There's no sense to it. Are they walked? There is never any mention of Brahmin runs (would actually be a really fun quest, having the courier protect the herd as they make the journey to vegas, could have it be clearing the path north of Goodsprings). Even if this is the case there's still no indication of it in game. Where does this herd of brahmin sit prior to slaughter? Are they just deposited to the casinos on the strip directly? Why don't you see herders going through Freeside? Maybe they're killed prior to entering the Mojave. If that's the case where are the caravans that deliver them? How do they keep the meat from spoiling on the journey?
This leads directly into the stuff someone else in this thread driveled out as some kind of own. The sharecropper farm supplies all of Vegas *and* the NCR and surrounding territories? Oh no the Crimson Caravan deals in food with their... zero caravans? Ringo runs the only one that explicitly identifies as a Crimson Caravan Company caravan and it's destroyed before the Courier wanders out of Doc Mitchell's house. Oh no wait the Grub and Gulp fills in the gaps in the supply chain. The Grub and Gulp in question:
Three Brahmin will supply the strip. Don't ask me how.
The rest of the caravans we see in game are destroyed, or traveling nowhere. They do a small loop down by the Mojave outpost, or travel from a random spawn point near Novac, and if you're lucky they wander out in a random direction towards Hidden Valley. If you're unlucky they continue to sit in Novac, which is arguably better since you'll be able to use their services later in game. None of them make it to the 188 Trading Post just up the road. This hub of commerce has 2 merchants that run the bar, a Gun Runner merchant behind a skill check, and you might be able to buy some stuff from a more affiliated NCR woman (she was former NCR, off the top of my head I don't remember if you can barter with her.) Oh and the kid that can read your future!
Mind you this doesn't bother me. Going back to the point of my previous post, this is the kind of stuff that is condemned in Fallout 3 but when pointed out the issues in New Vegas leaps and bounds are made to justify and defend. This doesn't matter to me. Heck says he supplies the Strip then he does. I don't need the brahmin pens that house them prior to the strip to be present to understand they exist, the same way I don't need the Chairmen to show me the stills in the Topps to know they're around. Notice how someone who obsesses acts though. All of a sudden the other groups arguments are steeped in "17 layers of irony" and they're soiling their pants in rage, and actually engaging with their argument is unwarranted because they aren't making any. There is a user right now who is struggling to sneed and every time it becomes blatantly obvious he throws a tard rage and just talks down to everyone involved.
I am not going to bother going over this niggerdribble because the main point is that nobody in Fallout 3 ever tells you where they get their food from. Despite being the main driving factor for the game's story, nobody even tells you where they get their drinking water from, except maybe Megaton. So we know what they drink, but we don't know what they eat, no NPC in the game ever tells us this and we never see any farms or any hunters hunting wildlife, unless those random hobos you find killing wild dogs or mole rats are supposed to be supplying thousands of people hundreds of miles apart. The only proper hunters are either cut content(I mentioned the Rock Creek Hunters earlier) or fucking dead in Anchorage War memorial, nobody actually produces food in the world of Fallout 3 anymore. Fallout 1 tells you where people get their food, Fallout 2 tells you where people get their food, and indeed Fallout New Vegas tells you where they get their food. California caravans deliver them, there is a big farm near McCarran where there is enough food that they're supplying not just McCarran but all the nearby outposts, and NCR ranch barons are making such a killing selling meat to The Strip that one of the bigshots from out West is visiting Vegas as the game takes place to make a deal and that's not counting the local farms that do the same thing. The one time we see a situation where there ISN'T enough food, we know why: not enough meat, so what do they eat then? Well, McCarran is close to the Sharecropper Farms, so they eat vegetables. Okay, where do we get enough meat to supply the main NCR base? There is several locations and all of them work, in fact you can buy meat from all of the sellers instead of just one for the most optimal solution. Let's go a step further then, where do the farmers get the water for the crops and the brahmin? From Lake Mead, what do people and animals in Fallout 3 drink? Fuck if I know, maybe they all go to Megaton for their daily water rations, or I guess they literally just hope 200 year old toilets or sinks in random metro tunnels work. Did I mention that an NPC you are almost guaranteed to meet an hour into the game doesn't have a toilet in the home she lives in? Please find a single instance of that happening anywhere in Fallout New Vegas, somehow I doubt it. We aren't even comparing apples and oranges here, one kid did their homework and the other one is stuffing his nose with crayons and took a dump on his homework paper. This isn't Common Core, these kids aren't getting the same grade for their work.
"Durr, why are there three brahmin in this one specific location I cherrypicked, then? Is this enough to feed all of Mojave?
"Because this is Gambryo and even one extra Brahmin would tank the framerate. This is literally why there are gates separating Freeside and Vegas areas, the game cannot load all of the NPCs at once. Same reason why various DC districts in 3 are their own small world cells instead of being locations you can visit from the overworld, like Bethesda originally planned. You're either the dumbest Bethesda fan(Fallout TV show fan too so you're a special kind of stupid, don't think I've forgotten your avatar) I've met in maybe 2-3 years or you're disingenuous and you're still seething for 18 years that people bullied Fallout 3 over failing in world building 101. No wonder you got so pissy when I made fun of you.
Whatever, I'm just going to post this video again because it mocks retards like you easily.
Nothing I said was incorrect, and as you can see the counter-narratives aren't very strong either. "Oh, you said the truth but I didn't like HOW you said it!"
I didn't ask a retarded redditor what he thinks either. Go pour me a cup of pussy juice, because you are an emotional woman who doesn't know any better and you're leaking. If all it did was a post from one guy on the internet for you to do a "180 on your opinion" then you're a fucking dumbass NPC and never had one to begin with. At least @R00T stands for something, even if it is fundamentally wrong.
Funnily enough we almost got something like that. Again, as I wrote a few posts earlier, Enclave was originally going to invade Rivet City after Project Purity(in game files state that Tepid Tunnels were supposed to connect Rivet City to The Citadel instead of Project Purity, you were supposed to evacuate the entire town in those tunnels, but again, not possible in Gamebryo). There was a motive for this, as in another cut concept, Dr. Li would have developed an experimental power source that Enclave need or want to research, located in a cut area of the city(it still exists in the game, but Li keeps it in her ass and pulls it out towards the end of the game to power up Liberty Prime). The townspeople would have been refugees and spend the rest of the game in The Citadel once they arrive there, those that survived anyways, altho they are piss-poor fighters so I guess that would be for the best if they remained there instead of fighting like you said. Towards the end of the game, you had to assault, or sneak into Rivet City, to steal the prototype power source to actually earn powering up Liberty Prime, which would be hard for both Combat Boys and Stealth Boys, making for an actually difficulty end game quest. Definitely would have made for a more interesting end quest, even if it would have been janky as hell.
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Speaking of Adam Adamowicz, the Flickr Album of his concept art for Fallout 3 is always pretty cool to look through. Here are some particular favorites of mine. It has over 800 pictures
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I mean he's only been here for less than 2 years and he has nearly quintuple the amount of posts the average old fag on this site has. Even Null posts less messages a day on average than this guy.
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Seemed odd to me that power armor variants weren't really capitalized on until stuff like 76. You could be using modified variants for construction and other various physical work. Could be an interesting method for delivering power armor training early but keeping the armor nerfed for scaling purposes, less protective/effective armor early to progress into military models later on.
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doesnt hold a candle to the powers of @The Last Stand
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I think you make a pretty good point that basically kills the argument on both sides. Especially when we remember that the entire map is scaled down for playability, it makes it easier to suspend disbelief. I mean, sure, the map could have been made procedural like Daggerfall and be way too big and have one million farms everywhere with corn and brahmin and very detailed supply lines to appease someone with an embarrassing amount if gameovers. But we have Starfield to show why that's a bad idea even a decade later even with better tech.
I think there is a point to be made that FNV at least does the bare minimum at making it believable while 3, and especially 4, don't at all and that it doesn't matter because it's just a videogame and you should either enjoy it for what it is or don't play it (or have 30+ spergouts)
Like some other users in this thread, I agree with him about FNV being the superior game, but I'd rather not stand next to the pants-on-head sperg, can't go on looking retarded by association.
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Whatever are you talking about? *My* Fallout 4 has rows of corn and tatos erected in every settlement and brahmin between to ensure every settler has their tato and corn soup. One of the coolest mods I dl'd was one that allowed you to place anywhere in a settlement, so you can even stack objects. It makes the plants really fun, and instead of mutfruit bushes I make actual Mutfruit trees that grow vertically. I'm thinking about looking through some more mods to either expand how far a settlement can build since i've tried making some different designs. I turned the Boat House outpost into a 3 story building that has housing on the top floor. there's collision here and there but looking at it from the ground it actually looks like something patched together that makes a modicum of sense.
i don't disagree that it's a great game, probably the best of all of them. I just don't think it should be above criticism, especially when the *same* criticism is leveled at everything else. And it always leads back to deflections and excuses. "They didn't know the engine! Bethesda didn't give enough time! But at least it's not as bad as Bethesda!"
Bethesda handed them something to work with, they were not working from the ground up. They told Bethesda they would have a product ready by a specific date, Bethesda did not just cackle and demand said project be done one day for no reason whatsoever, and "It's garbage, but at least it's not shit!" Is not the argument people think it is. I think it's fair criticism to point out that Obsidian took on more than they could chew, and at the end of the day Bethesda has a business mindset and stuck to their guns on a release date. And to be fair this was 2010. Name 3 games at that point that were delayed and released successfully. Even in current year +11 I can't really think of games that did last minute delays and had successful launches. Anthem comes to mind and for a long time EA got raked over the coals by Bioware fans for forcing a bad release and not letting Bioware cook just to come out and explicitly state that Bioware was wasting their time and money playing with concept art for years then being surprised when EA wanted a tangible product. "Give us 6 more months" when the global release date is 2 months out probably sounds like "We need to burn your money" during production meeting and a gamble you wouldn't want to take.