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Absolute fucking cinema
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Agreed. I actually came away pretty disappointed by LR, playing it as the last DLC in my first playthrough of them way back when.
LR promises an Apocalypse Now type endgame, but to be honest I found Ulysses’ monologues and psycho-babble really fucking dull.
Don’t get me wrong, LR has a great setting, and great concepts such as the Marked Men and launching nukes; as well as great weapons. But I was massively underwhelmed by the story and linearity. As an aside, I found the Tunnelers to be borderline comical rather than this potentially world-ending threat.
Honest Hearts seems to get a lot of stick/neglect but I loved it. The only reason I consider it the 3rd best NV DLC is due to how stratospherically brilliant I consider Old World Blues and Dead Money to be.
Perhaps LR suffers because it is built up so bigly across the base game and other DLCs; I don’t know. But I definitely prefer trips to Zion over The Divide.
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I just feel like I need to just get this out of my chest...
If it turns out that they unironically made Macaulay Goddamn Culkin the leader of the Legion (be an original character or the Legate or Vulpes or somehow Edward himself) Im going to flip so hard because they absolutely know what they are doing and they'll truly make the Legion into a joke because no one is gonna see the Ceasar, they'll see M.C, the home alone kid, cosplaying as a guy cosplaying as a roman leader ("like,lol, so randomz right?!")
They WILL play it up for laughs and it will confirm without a shadow of a doubt they will absolutely make a mockery out of New Vegas's legacy, the Legion especially, as the ultimate "take that chud" move.
I hope I get to see the day Bethesda gets shut down like they deserve.
Edit: Ah yes, it just came to me, there was a detail in the trailer that seems to further confirm my concern and that of many others, that the factions of NV will be made a joke out of. Beyond what I said about the Legion above, there was a very quick moment in the trailer where Lucy is shooting a possibly feral ghoul wearing the signature outfit of The Kings. Its not entirely clear if its feral but it does seem to lean towards it. In either case, the implications are rather concerning about the fate of Freeside.
Besides, we know they wont resist poking fun at The Kings for being "weirdos that dress up like Elvis" because thats always what tourists and fake fans say when they try to argue that Fallout was never a serious franchise.
My God, this will be a humiliation ritual on New Vegas now.
You know, apparently this is a thing with some Fallout fans (especially NV fans) but I ironically see a lot of them dissing and sleeping on The Lone Wanderer. What do I mean by this? Well, you will notice that everytime that they get involved in some sort of talk that involve other protagonists (not even comparisons but they can sometimes devolve into that), TLW is usually spoke rather neutrally or even rather dismissively, with some saying he wouldnt be able to handle the Mojave and Commonwealth, with the "reasoning" being that they are a 19 year old vault dweller that shouldnt "realistically" survive not even the Capital Wasteland.
That was the moment that @Idiot Doom Spiral declared that this was his own private domicile and he will not be harassed
If it turns out that they unironically made Macaulay Goddamn Culkin the leader of the Legion (be an original character or the Legate or Vulpes or somehow Edward himself) Im going to flip so hard because they absolutely know what they are doing and they'll truly make the Legion into a joke because no one is gonna see the Ceasar, they'll see M.C, the home alone kid, cosplaying as a guy cosplaying as a roman leader ("like,lol, so randomz right?!")
They WILL play it up for laughs and it will confirm without a shadow of a doubt they will absolutely make a mockery out of New Vegas's legacy, the Legion especially, as the ultimate "take that chud" move.
I hope I get to see the day Bethesda gets shut down like they deserve.
Edit: Ah yes, it just came to me, there was a detail in the trailer that seems to further confirm my concern and that of many others, that the factions of NV will be made a joke out of. Beyond what I said about the Legion above, there was a very quick moment in the trailer where Lucy is shooting a possibly feral ghoul wearing the signature outfit of The Kings. Its not entirely clear if its feral but it does seem to lean towards it. In either case, the implications are rather concerning about the fate of Freeside.
Besides, we know they wont resist poking fun at The Kings for being "weirdos that dress up like Elvis" because thats always what tourists and fake fans say when they try to argue that Fallout was never a serious franchise.
My God, this will be a humiliation ritual on New Vegas now.
You know, apparently this is a thing with some Fallout fans (especially NV fans) but I ironically see a lot of them dissing and sleeping on The Lone Wanderer. What do I mean by this? Well, you will notice that everytime that they get involved in some sort of talk that involve other protagonists (not even comparisons but they can sometimes devolve into that), TLW is usually spoke rather neutrally or even rather dismissively, with some saying he wouldnt be able to handle the Mojave and Commonwealth, with the "reasoning" being that they are a 19 year old vault dweller that shouldnt "realistically" survive not even the Capital Wasteland.
Well, first off, are we seriously going to use the "realism" argument? Because a lot of these types tend to use that argument rather selectively, ignoring the fact that if we are going there, The Courier should be fucking dead from the get go after getting double tapped in the dome and last time I've checked, cryogenics are nonsense even for Fallout standards so the Sole Survivor also should be dead from the get go.
Second off, I saw some throw another kind of idiotic argument like "He gets stung by a cazador and dies". I feel like Courier fans (and to a lesser extent, Sole Survivor) tend to downplay TLW for the sake of making the courier seem more impressive. And said argument goes on with
"Then he’d run into a deathclaw…
A heard of angry brahmin….
Fire geckos….
Legion Hitmen…..
NCR rangers….
The Mojave is a much more dangerous place than the Capital. It’s also more dangerous then the commonwealth."
Thats rather subjective at best. The Mojave is dangerous but they are acting like there arent things like "mostly" safe routes from most danger and not even mentioning more pockets of civilization also do they legit think that TLW couldnt handle Legion hitmen? It just starts to seem rather desperate to make The Courier look more badass when thats not really necessary for them to be so. The Capital is an absolute constant disaster zone when not being a full on warzone and thats even before the Enclave comes by (and of course, thats downplayed as "Its a weaker Enclave" which, even if one agrees that to be true, the argument just reeks of "it doesnt count to us").
And dont get me started on the whole "how much the gameplay translates to actual lore" because I have seen some saying The Courier can handle VATS better but thats really a by product of Obsidian altering some aspects of the gameplay mechanic rather than intending for this to have any lore significance and if we want to use this argument, you might as well argue TLW is a faster learner because they learn perks every level (consequently having a greater number of perks, some of them kind of OP) instead of the slower rate of those with the Courier, which, again, was never meant to have lore significance.
In the end, it really comes off as people arguing who's their favorite Red Power Ranger and how they could totally beat the others in a fight. Its obvious these characters were never meant to be stacked against each other like that and while it is fun to speculate, some fans can honestly come off as rather snobby and declaring their headcanons and gameplay as "stated facts".
Second off, I saw some throw another kind of idiotic argument like "He gets stung by a cazador and dies". I feel like Courier fans (and to a lesser extent, Sole Survivor) tend to downplay TLW for the sake of making the courier seem more impressive. And said argument goes on with
"Then he’d run into a deathclaw…
A heard of angry brahmin….
Fire geckos….
Legion Hitmen…..
NCR rangers….
The Mojave is a much more dangerous place than the Capital. It’s also more dangerous then the commonwealth."
Thats rather subjective at best. The Mojave is dangerous but they are acting like there arent things like "mostly" safe routes from most danger and not even mentioning more pockets of civilization also do they legit think that TLW couldnt handle Legion hitmen? It just starts to seem rather desperate to make The Courier look more badass when thats not really necessary for them to be so. The Capital is an absolute constant disaster zone when not being a full on warzone and thats even before the Enclave comes by (and of course, thats downplayed as "Its a weaker Enclave" which, even if one agrees that to be true, the argument just reeks of "it doesnt count to us").
And dont get me started on the whole "how much the gameplay translates to actual lore" because I have seen some saying The Courier can handle VATS better but thats really a by product of Obsidian altering some aspects of the gameplay mechanic rather than intending for this to have any lore significance and if we want to use this argument, you might as well argue TLW is a faster learner because they learn perks every level (consequently having a greater number of perks, some of them kind of OP) instead of the slower rate of those with the Courier, which, again, was never meant to have lore significance.
In the end, it really comes off as people arguing who's their favorite Red Power Ranger and how they could totally beat the others in a fight. Its obvious these characters were never meant to be stacked against each other like that and while it is fun to speculate, some fans can honestly come off as rather snobby and declaring their headcanons and gameplay as "stated facts".
That was the moment that @Idiot Doom Spiral declared that this was his own private domicile and he will not be harassed
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Kevin is going to lead the legion? Lmao, even.
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I bet $20 dollars in 'jeet coin (idk the rupee currency rate) that by the end of Season 2 every single FNV faction and character gets killed off if they haven't already been killed off by the Vault-Tec OC villain. Yes, including Goodsprings.
It's literally this Haz tweet but for FNV.
tl;dr all the remaining Tunnel Snakes after Butch leaves to join TLW form a gang outside of Vault 101 but they all get turned into feral fhouls off-screen and are effectively killed-off
Not even Fallout 3 is safe from nu-Fallout humiliation.
It's literally this Haz tweet but for FNV.
They already killed off the Tunnel Snakes in the most humiliating way in a Fallout 4 Creation Club DLC, which I guess are also canon now.
tl;dr all the remaining Tunnel Snakes after Butch leaves to join TLW form a gang outside of Vault 101 but they all get turned into feral fhouls off-screen and are effectively killed-off
Not even Fallout 3 is safe from nu-Fallout humiliation.
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I mean hey, that might space FNV from the humiliation and degradation the show will bring.
As of this post, 1762 and a half.
CC content is effectively canon, yes.
Yes, even the Skyrim one, though they did at least try to fit it in. Unlike the literal Autonomous Iron Man Armor Gone Haywire one.
On the topic of the show, it's rendered just about every game in the series dubious canon at best, in one way or another- even with the post-show 'N-NUH UH ACKSHUALLY' from the writers.
I'm still surprised at how hard they push it, does Big Daddy Microsoft not recognize that it's the exact same scenario as the Halo show that they put their foot down on and forced Guilty Spark to decanonize?
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I imagine this can be debated for a while, but personally I don't think CC should be viewed as canon, even the CC now part of base Fallout 4. At best I would put it in the same level of canon as the Fallout Bible, but otherwise it's just extra bullshit you shouldn't actually think about.
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I'm not sure whether they'd do it explicitly but they'll sure as shit do it implicitly because I can't imagine the writers know the depth of a faction beyond their outward aesthetic. There's this main issue in general with how creative-types approach video games in that they for sure see the entire medium as being beneath them. They don't dare actually consume the material they're engaged with because it'll sully them in some way, shape, or form. You saw it with the Last of Us where the writers disallowed the cast from playing or seeing anything of the game lest it corrupt their performances or view of the material they were acting out.
From the trailer alone, it looks like The Kings might be dead (which implies Freeside might be more dour than it already is and maybe they don't want to license Elvis' likeness and music – though I'm already picturing a tone deaf massacre of Ghoul-Kings to "Hound Dog"). The Strip is overrun with deathclaws, supposedly, though the Gomorrah is still lit up in the trailer. You can probably overthink how much of New Vegas they'll shove in considering the fan service in season 1 was relatively sparse all things considered, and I think at best everyone involved is just indifferent to the games.
On some level, approached from as good-faith an angle I could, the complete disinterest/care for the games isn't from a place of malice. I imagine they wouldn't want to create a 1:1 copy of the material, or let the plot of it influence the plot of the series, but with the way they then portray things, it never comes across like they want to render respect to source material in the first place. I think they're going to ultimately condense FNV into only a handful of locations and interiors, the big 3 being (1) The Strip, (2) Novac. (3) The Fort. They've still got the other characters and plotlines to consider and follow, so we should consider it a mercy that's all they might touch.
Considering how much damage this one chalkboard did to the franchise by itself though, they might accidentally drop another nuke on the lore/setting*. We already know they fucked over House and Sinclair in season 1 and we were with them for 5 minutes.
*I'm already ignoring anything included in the show personally, but I hate that Bethesda insist upon the show's canonicity.
I just read it, and it's arguably even worse than just "they're all killed".
Ignore all the gobbledygook about classes and whatnot and you get the basis premise of what's happened/what's happening with much of game development.
The process of developing games is beyond the purview of anyone in charge of Microsoft/Xbox themselves so most of the responsibility is on the direct onus of the developer themselves to manage their franchise. I think we saw how being too controlling negatively impacted the reputation of publishing companies like EA (shutting down unprofitable studios on a dime, microtransactions, etc), Konami (blamed for MGS5 releasing incomplete and PT, justified in hindsight considering Kojima's budget bloat), and Ubisoft, so I think at some point a trend was set across the industry to just to give devs all the freedom and money they'd require to make a game and keep the franchise in their hands primarily, and so long as they make something that sells well there should be no issues. Or maybe dev studios just bloated to such massive sizes that having them manage themselves was seen as necessary, like Rome splitting into East and West. Regardless, unlike the Halo show, Fallout is being lapped up by tourists and sycophants alike so unless people turn against it or it negatively impacts the viability of the franchise going forward due to bad PR, it's unlikely to be touched.
I can't imagine many fans internalising its canon anyway. Considering ES6's rate of development, any Fallout game adhering to the show's canon is unlikely to come out until the mid to late 2030s... Jesus Christ.
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What is this pseudo-intellectual slop I am reading lmfao?
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I’d like to agree but the problem, more so demonstrated with Skyrim, is how to distinguish the CC content in a manner which isn’t over complicated - take the Saints and Seducers CC which is a heavy part of the Anniversary Edition. Having not played Morrowind/Oblivion (I know and I am sorry), I am assuming the concept of Saints/Seducers itself is ES lore; so having to compartmentalise the DLC and interpretation of Saints/Seducers specifically in Skyrim as non-canon is a real pain in the neck.
My heart says CC is not canon, but my head says for all practicalities it has to be considered canon. If anything has ended up in the game in an official capacity, then that rightly or wrongly is the deciding factor.
Thankfully, Fallouts up to and including NV don’t directly have these retrospective amendments to canon - but of course no real fan wants to learn about the future fate of the Tunnel Snakes etc.
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It's an extended reference to Shivering Isles. It's beyond being part of it, to it being an obvious crowd pleaser by taking stuff from the beloved expansion to the game that many Skyrim player started with.
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Even the Extended Cut is more well done than the simplistic "there's two bands of bandits fighting each other for Shivering Isles items, lmao".
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When someone needs to make a simple concept more complicated and far-reaching than it sounds gives it weight. Edit: Example: Marx basically turned, "People will generally do what benefits themselves personally over others and not change things to make themselves worse off, especially if they have more to lose," into communism.
Basically: The people who own companies in the future will not be qualified to actually make or oversee the product they make or provide the service they' sell as things get larger and more complex. This gives more power and responsibility to those who can – these people become "managers". These people then direct the actual course of company because the CEO puts more faith in them to do what they're doing than themselves, and any faults that emerge are due to circumstances they can't relate and any apparently bad moves are just because they don't understand the moves.
That's why, say, the Halo franchise has been completely run into the ground. Satya Nadella (CEO of Microsoft) has faith that Phil Spencer (CEO of Microsoft Gaming) has faith in Craig Duncan (CEO of Xbox Game Studios) has faith in Pierre Hintze (Studio head of
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This has already happened, so it would have to have people turn against it more, i guess.
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It became pretty clear that this was gonna happen when The Brotherhood (Todd's favorite faction) rolled up on the last remnants of the NCR and annihilated them. Bethesda Fallout will simply be The Brotherhood and The Enclave fighting over nuclear dirt forever and ever.
I think it is really time to just write classic Fallout off into the sunset.
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For me I see it simply as "Was it made by Bethesda or officially endorsed by Bethesda?", If it wasn't it isn't canon to the Bethesda timeline. I consider creation club, at the end of the day, paid mods.
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New video covering the Fallout modding community.
He's a bit of a normie but it's a pretty decent video.
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Gotta love how the name of the quest is "Tunnel Snakes Rule!" and the whole theme about it is how the Tunnel Snakes are dead and gone after being idiotic even for the standards of a sheltered vault dweller. How you write a character that was borderline a background one out of character? Little we got of Wally, he didnt seem to be stupid to the point of being a danger to himself and others.
Its extra messed up because in every headcanon and fanfiction I see, the Tunnel Snakes at least were able to slowly adapt and survive in the wasteland, maybe even thriving by attracting new members given how they stand out, sometimes even becoming TCW's equivalent of The Kings as this bizarre Greaser gang that are take well care of their own and people they are looking out for.
In my personal take, I always imagined that Butch would come across Little Lamplight, either with TLW or on his own, the kids would allow him in and become fascinated with his weird look and Butch, being himself, would honestly brag about make himself and the Tunnel Snakes cooler than they actually are. Some would want to join, including MacReady but Butch knows that they are all too young but given he wouldnt want to break their hearts (no doubt seeing a lot of his kid self in them) he would tell them that they can "when they grow up".
The whole thing kind of sticks with him and he decides to re-establish the tunnel snakes at Big Town and make something out of that place, so when the kids grow up, they dont have to become a mungo doomed to live a miserable extremely dangerous life but become a "Tunnel Snake", a member of the "badassest" of the wastes, making the whole capital wasteland know that they rule.
Considering a grown up Macready knows the phrase "Tunnel Snakes Rules!" in the Commonwealth, this easily doesnt contradict any canon. Dude probably knows by then that Butch wasnt the badass he made himself to be but considering he is one of the few mongos that gave a shit about them and sought to improve their lives, he more than respects the man.
The whole thing kind of sticks with him and he decides to re-establish the tunnel snakes at Big Town and make something out of that place, so when the kids grow up, they dont have to become a mungo doomed to live a miserable extremely dangerous life but become a "Tunnel Snake", a member of the "badassest" of the wastes, making the whole capital wasteland know that they rule.
Considering a grown up Macready knows the phrase "Tunnel Snakes Rules!" in the Commonwealth, this easily doesnt contradict any canon. Dude probably knows by then that Butch wasnt the badass he made himself to be but considering he is one of the few mongos that gave a shit about them and sought to improve their lives, he more than respects the man.
I will stand for that classic Fallout will always live on in the heart of the true fans and in whatever media that they themselves create inspired by the classics.
Hell, I had the concept of one myself but thats another story.
The point is that Bethesda's masturbatory writing will never take away what Interplay/OG Obsidian built, ever.
When someone needs to make a simple concept more complicated and far-reaching than it sounds gives it weight. Edit: Example: Marx basically turned, "People will generally do what benefits themselves personally over others and not change things to make themselves worse off, especially if they have more to lose," into communism.
Basically: The people who own companies in the future will not be qualified to actually make or oversee the product they make or provide the service they' sell as things get larger and more complex. This gives more power and responsibility to those who can – these people become "managers". These people then direct the actual course of company because the CEO puts more faith in them to do what they're doing than themselves, and any faults that emerge are due to circumstances they can't relate and any apparently bad moves are just because they don't understand the moves.
That's why, say, the Halo franchise has been completely run into the ground. Satya Nadella (CEO of Microsoft) has faith that Phil Spencer (CEO of Microsoft Gaming) has faith in Craig Duncan (CEO of Xbox Game Studios) has faith in Pierre Hintze (Studio head of343Halo Studios) to run the studio without little to no oversight from them because they sure as shit don't know how to make video games. Give them a blank cheque and time, and they're sure to generate a profit.
The wonders of corporate bureocracy. A monster that barely knows what it does because no one is 100% in charge.
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Nearly 20 years of Bethesda "canon" means pretty much nothing since it is barely acknowledged outside of the parts that made it into New Vegas. Toddout and proper Fallout might as well be two separate IPs at this point, and the TV show is just accelerating the inevitable divide.
The awful non-canon TV show can get as many seasons as Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead did and I couldn't care less, I'm more interested in Fallout Miami or Cascadia coming out, maybe some good samaritan leaking a Nuevo Mexico build like that one former Frontier dev leaked an early build of Fallout Frontier(one that is actually much better than the final product btw)