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Tor Lugosi said:
Really? I've always found tribals to be one of the more boring parts of the Fallout lore. Given Sawyer's lack of original ideas (pretty much everything he does is just regurgitating a historical event and/or some religious text), I'd bet a story based around tribals would just be some Trail of Tears crap, something that'd allow him to whine and handwring over oppression and how bad the white man is.

I will agree that HH is kinda boring, though. Having replayed FNV and its DLCs recently it really struck me how shit a game designer Sawyer is compared to Avellone. In his DLCs, Avellone uses gameplay mechanics to reinforce the narrative and themes of the DLC, like the collars, cloud, ghost people, and holograms in Dead Money, whereas Sawyer really did nothing of interest with the gameplay in Honest Hearts.
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It's crazy to me that you have both woke moron Josh Sawyer and all around Chad Chris Avellone on New Vegas. I can't imagine two people more different.
 
My impression is Avellone is just another leftist, but he got burned by #MeToo so he revised a bit.
 
>IMPLYING said:
Then those people are simply wrong and their assertion doesn't really survive scrutiny. He also did not choose the video game violence stuff, which is what you brought up. The Satanic Panic is a more relevant example because it did similar damage to the side being loud with it and is equally as intense and influential. I think the pendulum swing can be definitively pinpointed but things feel like they're winding down and I think late 2026 or 2027 will be the year the Left quietly tries to pretend they weren't being insane schizos for 15 years. They're already trying to rebrand themselves online.

DnD being a covert means to spread satanism amongst the youth does not survive a fight with reality, and made the detractors look like insane retards. Similarly, trans people do not exist in observable reality because you need to accept the premise that gender exists separately from birth sex, which people will humour but it won't override how they truly feel and what they can observe with their own eyes.
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Hilariously, Dungeons and Dragons is one of the roots of the rise in transgenderism. The 2010s RPG boom (New Vegas, Skyrim, Fallout 4, and the resurgence of D&D) kicked off a wave of mentally ill faggots getting way too into roleplaying and character customization as females. It's no coincidence that transgenderism really got big a few years after RPGs got super hot.
 
X Prime said:
Counterpoint: current DnD.

Joking(?) aside, it's all conflated. Attempting to delineate different mini-pendulum swings is pointless, because in most discourse it is lumped together.
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It's true people do lump it all together if only for simplicity. However the reactions to these mini-swings still occur regardless of whether or not hindsight will just blend them all together, which prompts changes in development or censorship in the event of potential backlash (Barbie hiding its plot in the trailers, for example, due to mounting ire against woke-politics). That makes them important to recognise. It's also necessary because people would lump together the 90s and 2000s vidya hysteria into one, at which point Conservatives get saddled with all the blame.
GlupShitto said:
Hilariously, Dungeons and Dragons is one of the roots of the rise in transgenderism. The 2010s RPG boom (New Vegas, Skyrim, Fallout 4, and the resurgence of D&D) kicked off a wave of mentally ill faggots getting way too into roleplaying and character customization as females. It's no coincidence that transgenderism really got big a few years after RPGs got super hot.
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I don't think RPGs contributed to trannies so much as trannies co-opted RPGs to live vicariously through their in-game avatars within. They are the reason RPGs added in tranny customisation options though.
 
>IMPLYING said:
It's also necessary because people would lump together the 90s and 2000s vidya hysteria into one, at which point Conservatives get saddled with all the blame.
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Well that's actually my point, it's too late for that to be changed. The argument frequently goes that somehow the Satanic Panic led to the leftists turning out the way they did as a reaction. Even right-wingers fall for this narrative.

My observation is the best strategy in to abuse the conflation by pointing out Democrats are the ones who led the legislative charge, with a side dish of "the fundies had a point given that a solid chunk of their predictions have to an extent come true."
 
Some unsolicited updates from the Fallout Tv Show:
1) Caesar died. He wrote the name of his successor on a slip of paper that is in his pocket. The Legion is in a civil war trying to reach this slip of paper on Caesar's corpse.
2) Episode 4 preview shows Deathclaws (or possibly Super Mutants) being in Alaska pre-war
3) House's Securitrons were powered by fusion cores.
4) Victor is alive in 2291. The Ghoul knew him.
5) The Securitrons received their upgrades.
 
>IMPLYING said:
Episode 4 preview shows Deathclaws (or possibly Super Mutants) being in Alaska pre-war
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Both of those would be primo retardation and would actually just make every game noncanon outright as opposed to every game but 4 and 76. Or rather, the show noncanon outright, but we all know which side of the split Bethesda will bake onto things in the future, especially with their actions towards 76 (and towards Quantum in 4, but i don't wanna talk about that)
>IMPLYING said:
3) House's Securitrons were powered by fusion cores.
4) Victor is alive in 2291. The Ghoul knew him.
5) The Securitrons received their upgrades.
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These are fine, i guess? Looks like low-tier Independent ending or the writers are going to use Yes-Man Skynet theories. I'd lean towards the latter if i knew they'd played the games.
>IMPLYING said:
Caesar died. He wrote the name of his successor on a slip of paper that is in his pocket. The Legion is in a civil war trying to reach this slip of paper on Caesar's corpse.
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He probably would.
 
GlupShitto said:
I do wonder what's going to happen with Bethesda in the next decade, since it kinda sounds like Microsoft might be winding down their gaming division.
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If i were Microsoft, Bethesda would be one of the few studios i would keep open while winding down because of its ips and name alone.
Jace on ice said:
Outside of FO76 I don't think Bethesda is interested in Fallout games anymore. They just want to make really shitty TV and sell even shittier merch.
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This is a dumb take, Bethesda is just dumb with game development now and what was once 5 years for a sequel is now probably 10+.
>IMPLYING said:
Lanius will probably bring order with him like Caesar but far more brutal and with no ultimate end, and the Legion would likely persist under him, collecting tribute from conquered lands, before breaking apart with his death or something.
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Lanius would just speed up the legion self cannibalisation as Caesar is the only one who can actually lead the legion. Lanius has no loyalty to the legion only to caesar and him leading it would only lead to worse conditions for all.
GlupShitto said:
Hilariously, Dungeons and Dragons is one of the roots of the rise in transgenderism. The 2010s RPG boom (New Vegas, Skyrim, Fallout 4, and the resurgence of D&D) kicked off a wave of mentally ill faggots getting way too into roleplaying and character customization as females. It's no coincidence that transgenderism really got big a few years after RPGs got super hot.
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You are genuinely retarded
 
TheHarbinger said:
This is referenced in Honest Hearts and in the Great Khans quests. That Caesar's absorption of various tribes in the wastes requires immediate assimilation or risk of execution. You aren't supposed to bring your baggage or culture to the Legion. When your tribe is conquered by the Legion it loses its identity forever. It's also heavily implied that this is only done when a tribe becomes enough of a territorial threat that conquering them, and suffering smaller losses, is preferable to allowing them to expand and possibly gather more strength than the Legion can deal with in the long term. Caesar is mostly focused on New Vegas and the Hoover Dam.

When there are groups such as farmers or traders they are allowed to exist independently in Legion controlled areas. There are traders and caravans that comment about the Legion having the safest territories to travel through. Without worrying about raiders or violence. It's also stated by a few Legion characters that this arrangement is more temporary should the Legion control the Hoover Dam and possibly takeover the NCR. In that it would give them the resources to dominate the Mojave in a way not before possible.
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Caesar hates tribals and conquers them whenever he can since civilization and illiterate jackholes in teepees by their very natures cannot coexist. He'll flat-out tell the Courier he's bringing the torch of knowledge to the Wasteland before joking that its a bit too literally than how he was taught.
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He still has a ton of respect for the Followers and their work as well, despite his own methods and what they think of him, even allowing them to leave New Vegas unharmed after his victory.
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You could say he's got a serious case of the Legion Man's Burden, one that's passed on to people like Karl (who thinks the Khans should all be killed off) and Canyon Runner, who despite his tribal name and pride in his origins as a Blackfoot praises Caesar for making his people more than just a bunch of tent-dwelling savages.
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El Chacal De La Trompeta said:
THE GHOUL would have gotten killed 5 seconds in if this were a fucking game
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Where is a mod where you can spawn all the coal-ass FoTV OCs and gore them with a ballistic fist?

Tor Lugosi said:
Really? I've always found tribals to be one of the more boring parts of the Fallout lore. Given Sawyer's lack of original ideas (pretty much everything he does is just regurgitating a historical event and/or some religious text), I'd bet a story based around tribals would just be some Trail of Tears crap, something that'd allow him to whine and handwring over oppression and how bad the white man is.

I will agree that HH is kinda boring, though. Having replayed FNV and its DLCs recently it really struck me how shit a game designer Sawyer is compared to Avellone. In his DLCs, Avellone uses gameplay mechanics to reinforce the narrative and themes of the DLC, like the collars, cloud, ghost people, and holograms in Dead Money, whereas Sawyer really did nothing of interest with the gameplay in Honest Hearts.
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Aren't most Tribals just White people regressing to a Native American lifestyle? It's literally blonde people with blue eyes in full Navajo gear!
 
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Caligura said:
Aren't most Tribals just White people regressing to a Native American lifestyle? It's literally blonde people with blue eyes in full Navajo gear!
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Basically, yeah. The people of Arroyo were a splinter group from Vault 13, the Dead Horses started off as German tourists who wound up intermixing with some of the few remaining Navajo left, the Sorrows were child refugees from somewhere who Randall Clark taught and looked over from afar, Rose of Sharon Cassidy is white as hell and she's half-tribal on her mom's side, Vulpes was brought into the legion as a child from his tribe and could pose for a Waffen-SS recruiting poster...
 
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Okay, I think this was the best episode of the show period. That bar is in hell, but it's the first time the show felt like it actually got Fallout and put emphasis on the hard choices people have to make. They also handled the Legion with a shocking amount of respect, inexplicably far more than they gave the NCR. I can't say I'm fond of The Ghoul having a history with the NCR because it feels he's quickly becoming the Forrest Gump of the wasteland, but other than that, this episode was a gem in a show full of coal.

Also hold on, I might be retarded, but wasn't Victor effectively a voice changer for Mr House that he could broadcast to any Securitron and not a full on AI?
 
For me, I'll thank Bethesda for reviving Fallout because it gave us Fallout: New Vegas, but that's it. All the talk about the season being all about Fallout: New Vegas and maybe a remaster/remake being on the horizon, I'm not interested in a Fallout: New Vegas remaster/remake because whoever is in charge of the project will fuck it up. The only reason I wanted a remaster/remake was for the content that couldn't make it in the final game due to time and/or console limitations be restored. With the prototype builds of Fallout: New Vegas released and people mining all the old content cut from the game, I'm going to wait for modders to restore them.
 
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Tsukasa Kadoya said:
I LOVED Culkin in the show. Dude was both a total dweeb and genuinely menacing.
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It's amazing to me how everybody locked in for this one episode. I hope next week's episode keeps this up, but I'm not holding my breath.
Campbell_Trio said:
I think its really funny how Ghoul has played an indirect role in every major faction so far.
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Now we've just gotta wait for the reveal that he was a Hubologist before the war or something lol.
 
GlupShitto said:
Also hold on, I might be retarded, but wasn't Victor effectively a voice changer for Mr House that he could broadcast to any Securitron and not a full on AI?
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Are you talking about in the game? In New Vegas House mentions that at Goodsprings' distance from Vegas he can only guide Securitrons at best. If you ask him why he didn't have Victor intervene he mentions that Victor's AI routines determined that two Khans and Benny were more than a match for a lone Securitron, so he waited until after they had left.
 
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