Fallout series

[exball]

I've always found it funny how amazingly inept the Brotherhood chapter in the west are. They seem to genuinely have no clue about survival; The NCR, stretched thin as it may be, is still the strongest thing the west coast has and everyone should have known it after they completely raped the Enclave at the Poseidon Oil rig. The Brotherhood, however, apparently didn't get the memo that the NCR doesn't fuck around and made a futile attempt at holding a power station the NCR clearly wanted for Vegas. I know the Brotherhood thinks they're awesome because of their power suits but news flash, the NCR has even more power armor including what they jacked from the Enclave (who actually had better power armor because the Enclave was still developing new technology while the Brotherhood are simply scavengers)

The reason the NCR succeeds where the Brotherhood fails is the same reason the Legion is beating the NCR. The NCR outnumbered the Brotherhood and the Enclave by a ridiculous amount and could just throw soldiers at them till their enemies were dead.

 

[A-Stump]

The reason the NCR succeeds where the Brotherhood fails is the same reason the Legion is beating the NCR. The NCR outnumbered the Brotherhood and the Enclave by a ridiculous amount and could just throw soldiers at them till their enemies were dead.

Yeah but the Legion are shit compared to the NCR. If you're comparing trained and well armed men to a slave army armed with throwing spears and hastily cobbled together armor made from football equipment, there is no comparison. The main advantage the Legion has over anyone is fear. People are afraid of what will happen when they come, so they just relinquish all arms. Considering they don't really have experience fighting an actual army compared to a few shitty little towns, I don't think it's fair to say the Legion would win anything.

Even if the Legion did make a push, the NCR has way more men and supplies back further west. All they really need to do is call in reserves from Sandy Shores or the Boneyard and the Legion is fucked.

 

[Burned Man]

I've always found it funny how amazingly inept the Brotherhood chapter in the west are. They seem to genuinely have no clue about survival; The NCR, stretched thin as it may be, is still the strongest thing the west coast has and everyone should have known it after they completely raped the Enclave at the Poseidon Oil rig. The Brotherhood, however, apparently didn't get the memo that the NCR doesn't fuck around and made a futile attempt at holding a power station the NCR clearly wanted for Vegas. I know the Brotherhood thinks they're awesome because of their power suits but news flash, the NCR has even more power armor including what they jacked from the Enclave (who actually had better power armor because the Enclave was still developing new technology while the Brotherhood are simply scavengers)

It is funny when you think about it that way. The NCR is the strongest government in the area if not the world and has the biggest army and an multiple divisions of special forces, and they are all for the most part armed with fire arms. The Brotherhood are a bunch of scavengers that live in a hole, don't welcome outsiders so the gene pool has to be thinning they have zero long term survival prospects.

Yeah but the Legion are shit compared to the NCR. If you're comparing trained and well armed men to a slave army armed with throwing spears and hastily cobbled together armor made from football equipment, there is no comparison. The main advantage the Legion has over anyone is fear. People are afraid of what will happen when they come, so they just relinquish all arms. Considering they don't really have experience fighting an actual army compared to a few shitty little towns, I don't think it's fair to say the Legion would win anything.

Even if the Legion did make a push, the NCR has way more men and supplies back further west. All they really need to do is call in reserves from Sandy Shores or the Boneyard and the Legion is fucked.

Also as the war escalates we see the reinforcements arrive the Legion get the same guys just with more experience and slightly better armed and the NCR gets the veteran rangers and the Power armored troopers. Plus Caesar is close to death so it would be Lanius that would take over and that would probable screw the entire Legion. I could see him getting some bloodlust and falling for Boulder Town again.

 

[exball]

Yeah but the Legion are shit compared to the NCR. If you're comparing trained and well armed men to a slave army armed with throwing spears and hastily cobbled together armor made from football equipment, there is no comparison.

It's kind of the opposite when you think about it. Legionaires are trained from childhood and the NCR soldiers are mostly conscripts given a weeks training and handed a rifle. Some of the NCR soldiers weapons don't even work they're just broken guns.

The main advantage the Legion has over anyone is fear. People are afraid of what will happen when they come, so they just relinquish all arms. Considering they don't really have experience fighting an actual army compared to a few shitty little towns, I don't think it's fair to say the Legion would win anything.Even if the Legion did make a push, the NCR has way more men and supplies back further west. All they really need to do is call in reserves from Sandy Shores or the Boneyard and the Legion is fucked.

What the Legion has though is a bunch of insane fanatics who won't question why they're being asked to charge a group desert rangers. The sheer amount of those crazy fuckers gives them an edge over the NCR. Not to mention the massive amounts of them in Colorado. What makes Legion strong is they're a massive group of brainwashed sadists who have no problem with throwing their lives away.

 

[A-Stump]

The NCR fights for democracy, well what they believe is freedom, and that in itself lends a strong power of dedication and willpower to the situation. As for the NCR having guns that don't function, you're thinking about the Legion. Several times you're told if a NCR soldier was to fall at the Dam they would throw their weapons into the river because the Legion's munitions are such shit that they scavenge guns as soon as they can. The NCR has a full military contract with the Gunrunners, meaning they have the best in the west

 

[Burned Man]

It's kind of the opposite when you think about it. Legionaires are trained from childhood and the NCR soldiers are mostly conscripts given a weeks training and handed a rifle. Some of the NCR soldiers weapons don't even work they're just broken guns.


What the Legion has though is a bunch of insane fanatics who won't question why they're being asked to charge a group desert rangers. The sheer amount of those crazy fuckers gives them an edge over the NCR. Not to mention the massive amounts of them in Colorado. What makes Legion strong is they're a massive group of brainwashed sadists who have no problem with throwing their lives away.

The reserves that also need to be taken into account would be children because they are trained from birth and the Legion doesn't let women serve, we would never see that in a Fallout game for obvious reasons but that could make for some Psychological warfare waves of armed children would give most troopers a pause.

The NCR fights for democracy, well what they believe is freedom, and that in itself lends a strong power of dedication and willpower to the situation. As for the NCR having guns that don't function, you're thinking about the Legion. Several times you're told if a NCR soldier was to fall at the Dam they would throw their weapons into the river because the Legion's munitions are such shit that they scavenge guns as soon as they can. The NCR has a full military contract with the Gunrunners, meaning they have the best in the west

That's not one hundred percent true, the troopers around Primm don't have armor and don't have service rifles same with a lot of the troopers at Camp Forlorn Hope and the supply lines that Cass talks about hints that the NCR supply line isn't as secure as it should be. It takes a lot of effort to arm an entire army especially in a universe without vehicles and Mutant monsters. Speaking of which I would loved to see more Legion and NCR interaction with the wildlife and Mutants.

 

[exball]

The NCR fights for democracy, well what they believe is freedom, and that in itself lends a strong power of dedication and willpower to the situation.

Eh, I won't deny that there's probably a lot of soldiers who believe that but a lot of soldiers just seem to be conscripts who couldn't give less of a shit. Every Legionaire is brainwashed to 100% believe in fighting and dying for Caesar.

The reserves that also need to be taken into account would be children because they are trained from birth and the Legion doesn't let women serve, we would never see that in a Fallout game for obvious reasons but that could make for some Psychological warfare waves of armed children would give most troopers a pause.

That's an interesting thought since I remember Ranger Andy in Novac mentions the Legion uses kids a lot as psychological warfare.

 

[A-Stump]

I think there are a lot of variables

NCR

Positives
*(Usually) better equipment
*Modernized medical techniques
*Proper leadership
*Lots of support from all sorts of different factions back west
*Can maintain a standing military everywhere without resorting to raiding ala the Legion

Negatives
*Soldiers view the Mojave as a punishment to work in
*Locals seem to dislike them
*They stick their noses where they're not wanted
*Raw recruits are too afraid to fight an onslaught of Legionaires
*Bureaucracy and internal corruption becomes more and more dangerous the farther away from true NCR territory they are

The Legion

Positives

*They have more men poised to strike
*They are fanatical and bloodthirsty
*They know what true propaganda does to a populace
*They can fashion weapons and armor out of junk
*In peak physical shape and constantly drilled for combat
*Are convinced entirely they will win and have no room for doubt

Negatives

*The Legion has little room for free will. Conformity can be considered a downfall when the chain of command ceases to exist
*Recruitment involves the almost complete destruction of tribes, and time to raise their existing children/fuck and impregnate their women is lengthy
*Arguably shitty equipment
*Technical skills are almost non-existent within the Legion. Scientists don't exist, drugs (even life saving one's) are illegal
*Caesar has a brain tumor and this impacts decision making skills. Those who have brain tumors usually have poor impulse control, and he would likely fall headlong into an obvious strategic misfire
*Illiterate tribals probably aren't the best soldiers to field for an army

 

[Watcher]

The only real downside with the Legion ending for me with New Vegas is that it's hard to keep companions while doing it.

Like it's impossible to keep Boone and Arcade Gannon while doing it. Likewise Veronica will leave upon blowing up the BoS bunker (as she will in all the other endings where you do it). Rose of Sharon Cassidy will still let you do it, she just has a general contempt for their view on women. Meanwhile Raul is mostly neutral and Lily doesn't give a fuck either way.

There's no actual "pro" legion companion. Originally Ulysses was going to fulfill that role but he was cut from the game and reused later in the DLC Lonesome Road.

 

[Uzumaki]

I'm a Fallout grognard from way back when the first game came out, so I hate 3, but without Fallout 3 we wouldn't have Fallout: New Vegas (the real Fallout 3). This allows me to just dismiss Fallout 3 as "high budget fan fiction", which is what it is.

What really makes a Fallout game for me is replayability, so what ruins 3 for me is the same thing. It has just enough content to trick you into thinking it's a proper Fallout on your first play through, but your decisions have so little impact on anything that there's really only the one play through in there. Then they go and insult you with a really half-assed version of the standard Fallout "here is how you impacted the world" ending. There's no excuse for going backwards on that kind of thing.

The only hope for the series was that the actual Fallout team made Fallout: New Vegas, essentially a refutation of all the changes Fallout 3 made, and so there's a slim possibility that Bethesda will have been shamed by New Vegas into making Fallout 4 not suck. Probably not though, my understanding is that Fallout 3 sold better (therefore Fallout is doomed).

 

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[Burned Man]

Moo I say.
Does anyone ever wonder why in Fallout 3 Dad only invites bullies to your birthday party? There wore more kids your class than just the tunnel snakes.
Has anyone else seen a Woman Boomer with a muttonstache?

 

[Overcast]

So what would you say is your favorite Fallout game guys?

Personally, I can't decide between 1, 2, and New Vegas.

1 I feel has the tightest (albeit shortest) narrative, plus it's probably the most atmospheric. Especially when you go to the Glow.

2 I feel has the best gameplay overall. Companions are far more useful and you can have quite a few of them in your party. There's just something awesome about wandering the wastes with a tribal wielding a super sledge, a sniper with a heart condition, a super mutant, and an albino deathclaw. Plus, it has a lot more content then the previous game. And I feel that the somewhat more civilized setting is a natural evolution from the previous game.

New Vegas I feel is probably the best overall package. The story is really quite good, and there's plenty of stuff to do. And while you can't have more than two companions with you, they're probably the best overall written in the series. It's a shame the game has so many bugs...

 

[exball]

Probably NV because that was the first Fallout game I played so the FPS feel just seems the most natural to me. Also, Old World Blues is amazing.

 

[Burned Man]

I never played the second one so I can't comment about it. I love the quirkiness of the first one trying not to die of friendly fire is a pain though. Just trying to keep everyone alive on the assault on the church seems impossible, it can be frustrating but enjoyable as you make progress room by room blasting mutants die watching limbs go flying. Some of the dialogue is a bit weird at times like talking to Rhombus has some options that always end up in a death match with him, he acts like it is a just a brawl between you but it always has to end in death, and the rest of the brotherhood gets involved. I loved the caravan missions the first time I did one I was pumped to have survived.

I think that Fallout NV was my fav though just because I played Fallout 3 first and that was Fallout to me and NV was generally better in almost everyway. I prefer the capital wasteland to the Mojave buts just me.

 

[c-no]

Probably NV because that was the first Fallout game I played so the FPS feel just seems the most natural to me. Also, Old World Blues is amazing.

Old World Blues is amazing, even if the roboscorpions and lobotomites get annoying. I'll always love the haminess of the roboscorpions speaking the voice of Mobious.

 

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[Burned Man]

I got Fallout tactics today now I just need to get around to playing it. Is this one of those games where I'm going to do something really stupid and everyone dies and I'm screwed for the rest of the game? I'm sure I'll enjoy it either way didn't stop me in x-com won't stop me here.

 

[Watcher]

I got Fallout tactics today now I just need to get around to playing it. Is this one of those games where I'm going to do something really stupid and everyone dies and I'm screwed for the rest of the game? I'm sure I'll enjoy it either way didn't stop me in x-com won't stop me here.

It's not as hard as Xcom, not by a longshot.

If you like tactical games Fallout Tactics is pretty good. The engine for it was more advanced than the previous games, and has things like multiple elevations and more elaborate buildings.

You can also create a squad of a vast colorful amount of characters. Ranging from Ghouls, Super Mutants, Deathclaws, dogs, robots the works.

The main reason people didn't like Fallout Tactics was due to the spinoff nature of the game and how it came off like it was "dumbed down". When in reality it just focused on something different.