Fallout: The Frontier - Done, and it's a hilarious shitshow

Everyone I've spoken to said the exiled NCR vs Frost Legion stuff is really really fun despite being hilariously edgy and poorly written. Why 2/3ds of the NCR campaign is dedicated to the Nazi Enclave space station that everyone said is painful to play through is beyond me.

Also my friend said there are tons of models from the First Dead space game literally copy pasted into the Nazi space station as well as assets ripped from both nu Wolfenstein games. Stalker assets are free to use but this stuff? The perverts who made this are lucky they're not being sued.
 
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Ruin said:
Everyone I've spoken to said the exiled NCR vs Frost Legion stuff is really really fun despite being hilariously edgy and poorly written. Why 2/3ds of the NCR campaign is dedicated to the Nazi Enclave space station that everyone said is painful to play through is beyond me.

Also my friend said there are tons of models from the First Dead space game literally copy pasted into the Nazi space station as well as assets ripped from both nu Wolfenstein games. Stalker assets are free to use but this stuff? The perverts who made this are lucky they're not being sued.
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Frankly don't think stolen assets are an issue with this mod, I just wish they used assets better given that the castle and heli carrier both look like something someone made in halo reach forge.
 
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Serbian Peacekeepers said:
Frankly don't think stolen assets are an issue with this mod, I just wish they used assets better given that the castle and heli carrier both look like something someone made in halo reach forge.
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That heli-carrier would have fit better in Halo than in Fallout. At least back in Halo, the UNSC did have large capital ships, as well as large armored gunships made for atmospheric flight that rained down heavy ordnance from above. Whereas the Fallout universe never had an equivalent of that. The closest thing they have would be those airships used by the BoS, but those things were transport ships that weren't heavily-armored at all; artillery fire from obsolete guns could easily take those things down, as Fallout 4 showed.
 
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LORD IMPERATOR said:
That heli-carrier would have fit better in Halo than in Fallout. At least back in Halo, the UNSC did have large capital ships, as well as large armored gunships made for atmospheric flight that rained down heavy ordnance from above. Whereas the Fallout universe never had an equivalent of that. The closest thing they have would be those airships used by the BoS, but those things were transport ships that weren't heavily-armored at all; artillery fire from obsolete guns could easily take those things down, as Fallout 4 showed.
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at the very least it should of looked like something post war rather than something straight out of a generic scifi game.
 
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Yes. If it was sitting in a hangar for 200 years, at least have it show signs of rust, or wear and tear.
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That's one thing I actually like about Fallout 4. Weapons, armor, vehicles had rust, scratches, dents, peeling paint. It all looked like shit that would be around in a post apocalyptic Wasteland.
 
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Ruin said:
That's one thing I actually like about Fallout 4. Weapons, armor, vehicles had rust, scratches, dents, peeling paint. It all looked like shit that would be around in a post apocalyptic Wasteland.
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Exactly. If this world is supposed to be post-apocalyptic, having wear and tear as well as scratches and dents get through the idea that these machines have seen better days.
 
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With Bethesda at the helm we'll never get post post apocalyptic either and now that they have Microsoft money they can go on for decades more churning out trash that will only be mediocre after a year and legions of modders fixing things and worth playing after the nice people who make Sim Settlements get their hands on them.
 
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Exactly. If this world is supposed to be post-apocalyptic, having wear and tear as well as scratches and dents get through the idea that these machines have seen better days.
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It's one of the reasons I never can play this game with "graphical enhancements" because majority of the time they clean up the assets of the game to the point of not even really looking like a post apocalypse anymore. There's a reason the hunting rifle looks like a decaying piece of shit that needs duct tape on the barrel in Fallout New Vegas and 3; it's old and pre-war technology salvaged from wreckage. They also throw in technology that clashes horrendously with the retro-futurism aesthetic the game's supposed to convey like modern m16s and L86As with ACOG optics which look cheesy as hell. If you want to play with those mods I'm not shaming you, but that's why I don't use them.

Also Fallout New Vegas runs like shit on Windows 10 and any texture enhancer or ENB I use crashes the game meaning there's a lot of contradictory shit going on in the spaghetti code that's causing errors in graphical fidelity even on vanilla settings.
 
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Dave. said:
It's one of the reasons I never can play this game with "graphical enhancements" because majority of the time they clean up the assets of the game to the point of not even really looking like a post apocalypse anymore. There's a reason the hunting rifle looks like a decaying piece of shit that needs duct tape on the barrel in Fallout New Vegas and 3; it's old and pre-war technology salvaged from wreckage. They also throw in technology that clashes horrendously with the retro-futurism aesthetic the game's supposed to convey like modern m16s and L86As with ACOG optics which look cheesy as hell. If you want to play with those mods I'm not shaming you, but that's why I don't use them.

Also Fallout New Vegas runs like shit on Windows 10 and any texture enhancer or ENB I use crashes the game meaning there's a lot of contradictory shit going on in the spaghetti code that's causing errors in graphical fidelity even on vanilla settings.
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For me, the most obnoxious thing about weapon retextures is that every single one of them that touches the Survivalist's Rifle feels the need to "fix" the ironsights. I don't know if it was intentional or a bug, but those beaten to fuck, misaligned-but-still-usable sights are an absolutely defining part of the weapon for me.
 
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From the makers of "I totally don't have an mpreg or rape fetish" the mod and "I am still unable to cope with the existence of Fallout 4" the mod, comes the first mod that somehow makes this trainwreck of a mod even worse.

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I was going to smack this with an alarm clock, but I guess we ended up discussing it in the main thread instead.
 
Dave. said:
It's one of the reasons I never can play this game with "graphical enhancements" because majority of the time they clean up the assets of the game to the point of not even really looking like a post apocalypse anymore. There's a reason the hunting rifle looks like a decaying piece of shit that needs duct tape on the barrel in Fallout New Vegas and 3; it's old and pre-war technology salvaged from wreckage. They also throw in technology that clashes horrendously with the retro-futurism aesthetic the game's supposed to convey like modern m16s and L86As with ACOG optics which look cheesy as hell. If you want to play with those mods I'm not shaming you, but that's why I don't use them.
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The graphical enhancements make the stuff they "enhance" look more like Mass Effect weapons than Fallout weapons. By which I mean that say, armors that get "cleaned up" look more like the kind of stuff you'd see on an Alliance Marine in Mass Effect than on a Brotherhood of Steel Paladin in Fallout. Sure, there's times when that's warranted, like say, if you make a "Fallout 2 in New Vegas" mod, then you'd have to clean up the Enclave armor models so that they look brand new, and the Enclave armors in FO3 look new because they were recently made during the time the game takes place. But in most other cases, the tech should look beaten down and weathered because unless they're new tech (ie. laser-assisted electric rifles from the Big MT) they would have either gathered some dust or gotten some wear and tear.

This is why the Frontier mod's tech fails to live up to Fallout's standards, because more than half the shit they have looks like they were made yesterday, not sitting on an armory for 200 years. Even the guns the Northern Legion uses look like they belong in a CoD game than in a Fallout game.

Ghost of Wesley Willis said:
From the makers of "I totally don't have an mpreg or rape fetish" the mod and "I am still unable to cope with the existence of Fallout 4" the mod, comes the first mod that somehow makes this trainwreck of a mod even worse.
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I still can't believe that people have a mod just to block out Fallout 4's story, when the Broken Steel DLC for Fallout 3 literally lets you destroy the East Coast Brotherhood of Steel using the Enclave's satellite weapon, which results in the death of that little shit Arthur Maxson, making the story of Fallout 4 impossible.
 
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It stands to reason that the NCR could actually make new guns at that point and the Legion could sure steal 'em. The problem with these games is there's always only one model. One body, one Handgun, one leather jacket reused across the entire game. If they had three or four different skins for items that would randomly apply that would help a ton but if they started putting effort into that kind of thing the game may eventually not run on consoles anymore and I guess on PC it's either not a big priority or just hard to do with the crappy base code.
 
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It stands to reason that the NCR could actually make new guns at that point and the Legion could sure steal 'em. The problem with these games is there's always only one model. One body, one Handgun, one leather jacket reused across the entire game. If they had three or four different skins for items that would randomly apply that would help a ton but if they started putting effort into that kind of thing the game may eventually not run on consoles anymore and I guess on PC it's either not a big priority or just hard to do with the crappy base code.
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They could, but really, why would they, when there's already tons of guns lying around from the old days? The fact that the Rangers and NCR Troopers are coming at you with service rifles and cowboy weapons that are probably more than two centuries older than their wielders, as well as the fact that the Legion soldiers also use cowboy weapons and shotguns, suggests that both sides are using weapons they nicked from old arsenals.

The most I've heard about production is that the NCR Riot Gear used by Veteran Rangers are hand-crafted back in NCR turf.
 
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A_Callow_Youth said:
For me, the most obnoxious thing about weapon retextures is that every single one of them that touches the Survivalist's Rifle feels the need to "fix" the ironsights. I don't know if it was intentional or a bug, but those beaten to fuck, misaligned-but-still-usable sights are an absolutely defining part of the weapon for me.
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I always thought that was intentional to show the weapon had some wear and tear which is the point; everything is starting to look rusty and old because they're weapons of an older time. Meanwhile you'll get a hunting rifle that looks almost totally new like it was bought out from a Cabela's. I wish weapon retextures would take into account the setting because it's a little hard to take new and fresh weapons seriously in a post-apocalyptic setting where salvaging and scavenging is what's needed to survive.
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I still can't believe that people have a mod just to block out Fallout 4's story, when the Broken Steel DLC for Fallout 3 literally lets you destroy the East Coast Brotherhood of Steel using the Enclave's satellite weapon, which results in the death of that little shit Arthur Maxson, making the story of Fallout 4 impossible.
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Of all the people who annoy me in the fallout community, Fallout 4 a-loggers are by far the worst. "Hurr durr I can write better game than Bethesdurr!" Proceeds to make Call of Duty in Gamebryo. "Hurr durr, I'm going to destroy brotherhood of steel so Fallout 4 no happen!" It's like Bethesda unleashed the coming of the anti-christ to these people.
 
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LORD IMPERATOR said:
They could, but really, why would they, when there's already tons of guns lying around from the old days? The fact that the Rangers and NCR Troopers are coming at you with service rifles and cowboy weapons that are probably more than two centuries older than their wielders, as well as the fact that the Legion soldiers also use cowboy weapons and shotguns, suggests that both sides are using weapons they nicked from old arsenals.

The most I've heard about production is that the NCR Riot Gear used by Veteran Rangers are hand-crafted back in NCR turf.
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Yeah but that old shit's finite, at some point you really have to make new things. Maybe not entirely new things any time soon but you need to produce spare parts to keep the shit you found going.
 
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