Feb 28, 2022 - Chris transferred to another facility

[King Kiwi]

Never fear everyone, I'm sure Crazy will write to us when he gets the chance...

Highly unlikely it will be internet anytime soon, but I think it would be odd if we don't hear from him in the next 6 months at all after they deem him de-tarded and a non-lynching risk.

The only reason we probably haven't heard from Chris is that he's either too stoned to remember he's a goddess or he is banned from contact with the outside world until the facility deems it acceptable for whatever reason.

Chris is too obsessed with his fans not to respond at some point; they're all he's got and deep down he knows it.

 

[GypsyBard]

So Chris having a bedroom to himself is pretty unlikely.

At this point, wherever he is, he certainly does not have unsupervised internet access, as he would have made a tweet or uploaded something by now.

Perhaps now it’s just time to wait and see when he does pop up again.

Sorry we're talking about if he gets out and he goes to a group home. If he's in the loony bin there is no chance he will have the internet. Group homes try and pack as many people in as possible so when he's there he won't have really any privacy and sometimes group homes just plain ban the internet. That being said unless you were convicted of a crime in which the judge orders you not to access the internet when he gets out if he gets sent to a group home he could easily get a smartphone and access it that way when not inside the group home. But as I said some group homes would allow him to access the internet using his smartphone.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Have we considered the possibility that Chris was moved because his lawyer hoped it would stop outside communication from weens? I don't know if that's something his lawyer legally could do, but if he could have it would be a very smart move considering Chris is literally incapable of shutting the fuck up about anything to anyone who will listen. It's harder to find information about where Chris is because of HIPAA, and effectively stops the letters in AND out for the time being.

I feel like if the lawyer wanted to cut contact, the easy solution would have been to just tell the jail to withhold all mail from Chris pending his own review, citing some power of attorney that allows him to do that. Given we've known for months that the defense had asked for psych evials in a continuance, I'm pretty sure at this point the endgame was shoving Chris into the nuthouse.

We came close to that saga a few times. First time was Patty Chandler's death the second time was when Bob passed.

Third time's the charm when Barb passes, because once she dies Chris literally will have nobody since his own extended family and half brother want nothing to do with him.

 

[King Kiwi]

Oh God, the world will never let Chris live this down if he gets out of the looney bin.

What's his defense going to be ?

"I FORESAW-"

Shut up, Chris.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Have we considered the possibility that Chris was moved because his lawyer hoped it would stop outside communication from weens? I don't know if that's something his lawyer legally could do, but if he could have it would be a very smart move considering Chris is literally incapable of shutting the fuck up about anything to anyone who will listen. It's harder to find information about where Chris is because of HIPAA, and effectively stops the letters in AND out for the time being.

I feel like if the lawyer wanted to cut contact, the easy solution would have been to just tell the jail to withhold all mail from Chris pending his own review, citing some power of attorney that allows him to do that. Given we've known for months that the defense had asked for psych evials in a continuance, I'm pretty sure at this point the endgame was shoving Chris into the nuthouse.

Chris' attorney could not stop him from sending/receiving mail in jail as Chris, as long as he's "competent", can still make his own decisions, and his decisions would override those of his attorney. The same way Chris, if he understood the system, could have just demanded a trial if he wrote the correct letter to the court.

Now that he's in the nuthouse, his ability to decide what to do has been restricted. The goal is probably to fix Chris well enough that he can get on with his court case, but being shielded from weens is probably part of it.

 

[lolnah]

Chris' attorney could not stop him from sending/receiving mail in jail as Chris, as long as he's "competent", can still make his own decisions, and his decisions would override those of his attorney. The same way Chris, if he understood the system, could have just demanded a trial if he wrote the correct letter to the court.

Now that he's in the nuthouse, his ability to decide what to do has been restricted. The goal is probably to fix Chris well enough that he can get on with his court case, but being shielded from weens is probably part of it.

I didn't mean permanently stop him from receiving letters, I just thought that maybe with the transfer mail would slow down/need to be forwarded before Chris would receive it. If his atty had Chris' mail sent directly to him instead of Chris I'm pretty sure he'd have to disclose that to Chris, and you know that his next phone call out of the joint would be to Kengle whining about communications being intercepted. However, it might be easy for things to get "lost in the shuffle" for a bit if he's sent to a medical facility.

If he's involuntarily in a mental hospital, wouldn't they be able to keep him from writing/calling people anyway as a part of the "treatment process?"

 

[King Kiwi]

Chris' attorney could not stop him from sending/receiving mail in jail as Chris, as long as he's "competent", can still make his own decisions, and his decisions would override those of his attorney. The same way Chris, if he understood the system, could have just demanded a trial if he wrote the correct letter to the court.

Now that he's in the nuthouse, his ability to decide what to do has been restricted. The goal is probably to fix Chris well enough that he can get on with his court case, but being shielded from weens is probably part of it.

So you think Heilberg is on to the weenery and may be the main one wanting to restrict communication huh?

Well, if Chris could write of his own volition he probably would have by now...

Still, the mystery deepens.

 

[lolnah]

So you think Heilberg is on to the weenery and may be the main one wanting to restrict communication huh?

Well, if Chris could write of his own volition he probably would have by now...

Still, the mystery deepens.

How could he not be on to the weenery, lol. I'm sure there are fucking retards out there who have tried to talk to him just because he's Chris-Chan's attorney, and even beyond that Chris explicitly asked for some of his letters to be forwarded to Heilberg so he'd have to know what Chris is saying to weens. Moreover, all phone calls are recorded in jail, and while I don't know if he'd have access to those calls on the jail's end, I'm sure he's seeing some of if not all of the coms that are posted online. I know that "the whole world" doesn't know Chris, but any decent attorney would be googling his client's name if he found out that client is an e-celebrity.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

Everyone assumed he was satisfied with sex after Mia Hamm, and that his sex drive was destroyed by HRT, and the troon out.

But was it ever established he was on HRT indefinitely since he came out in 2014? Just like everything, Chris found out transitioning to female required more effort than he was used to, so all he did was apply estrogen cream. Maybe he had HRT pills, but buying those meant less Lego Money.

His Testosterone production was probably back to normal by 2017, when he began seeking Twitter attention from Doopie.

Things began to escalate sexually, from how I see it, when he began all this 3rd eye mysticism and learned about Lucid Dreams and Astral Projection, and claiming to have the power to go to CWCville in this way, and have sex with his Love Hogs.

@The American Hedgehog kept insisting and rationalizing this as “Chris is just daydreaming really hard”, but Lucid dreams are a very real phenomenon. And it is possible to live your sexual fantasies in your dreams if you learn to train your brain to do so.

This is where the “Subliminal Frequency” Binaural beats came in and even back then it baffled me that the editors didn’t put the dots together. Binaural Beats are commonly used to train your brain into lucid dreams.

So under the protection of his dreams, Chris got to reexperience himself with sex. With his hooker experience, he now knows the vaginal touch, what an erect clitoris looks like, etc.I wouldn’t even be surprised if he lucid dream sex’d with Megan. His sexual curiosity satisfied, beginning to get compliments from his “Ally Deities”

Around this time was when the Financial Crisis began. This takes over as @The American Hedgehog justification that Chris was “Daydreaming really hard” as a way to cope. This, however, was both True and False.

It’s True that he was using it to hide from his debts, but False in that he was “daydreaming” but beginning to see his big picture for what it really was. There was never going to be a real, physical-to-the-touch woman in his life that was not Barb.

His sexual fantasy lucid dreams began to convince him of this.

I’m sure the Pandemic must have made it click in his head that meeting a Sweetheart from the Ground Up was impossible. All that was left was to rape Barb.

I really don’t think he’s lucid dreaming as in controlled dreaming, here is an example of Chris accessing his fantasy world:

 

[Miss Misery]

1. CVRJ has sworn peace officers whose jobs specifically include transporting inmates to court and to medical appointments and the like. He was not taken by EMTs unless it was a legitimate emergency. He was most likely cuffed and in the back of a secure transport van or car. No deputy had to be pulled off the street to drive Chris to the nuthouse.

2. Just because Chris is in a state hospital does not mean he has been "released"; he is still technically in jail and will remain so until the judge decides what the fuck to do about him.

3. Mental hospitals all over Virginia stopped taking new admissions shortly before Chris got arrested. It's possible that they have been trying to get him into a state hospital for further assessment since day 1 and it took this long to find him a place: https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...a7253c-e0e6-11eb-ae31-6b7c5c34f0d6_story.html (paywall, open in private window)

4. HOWEVER, that is against policy; once the judge signs the required TDO for further mental health treatment the facility is supposed to transfer within 10 days. The following is the VA state code relating to mentally incompetent defendants:

19.2-169.2. Disposition when defendant found incompetent.
A. Upon finding pursuant to subsection E of § 19.2-169.1 that the defendant, including a juvenile transferred pursuant to § 16.1-269.1, is incompetent, the court shall order that the defendant receive treatment to restore his competency on an outpatient basis or, if the court specifically finds that the defendant requires inpatient hospital treatment, at a hospital designated by the Commissioner of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services as appropriate for treatment of persons under criminal charge. Outpatient treatment may occur in a local correctional facility or at a location determined by the appropriate community services board or behavioral health authority. Notwithstanding the provisions of § 19.2-178, if the court orders inpatient hospital treatment, the defendant shall be transferred to and accepted by the hospital designated by the Commissioner as soon as practicable, but no later than 10 days, from the receipt of the court order requiring treatment to restore the defendant's competency. If the 10-day period expires on a Saturday, Sunday, or other legal holiday, the 10 days shall be extended to the next day that is not a Saturday, Sunday, or legal holiday. Any psychiatric records and other information that have been deemed relevant and submitted by the attorney for the defendant pursuant to subsection C of § 19.2-169.1 and any reports submitted pursuant to subsection D of § 19.2-169.1 shall be made available to the director of the community services board or behavioral health authority or his designee or to the director of the treating inpatient facility or his designee within 96 hours of the issuance of the court order requiring treatment to restore the defendant's competency. If the 96-hour period expires on a Saturday, Sunday, or other legal holiday, the 96 hours shall be extended to the next day that is not a Saturday, Sunday, or legal holiday.

5. NGRI is still a slim possibility, see here: https://dbhds.virginia.gov/forensic-services/

 

[Pointless Sperg]

5. NGRI is still a slim possibility, see here: https://dbhds.virginia.gov/forensic-services/

I used to think it was absolutely not going to happen, but my view has been changing.

The issue is that no matter how crazy Chris is right now, they'd have to prove that he didn't understand that what he was doing at the time was illegal or considered wrong by society, which he most definitely did understand. Chris is not unaware of what society thinks, he just thinks society is misinformed or malicious, depending on the person. More importantly, he understood that incest is illegal, as demonstrated in his previous discussions about it. Anyone he trusts (like Bella at the time) is someone he thinks has reached a true and honest agreement with him. To get NGRI the prosecution and judge have to basically collude with the defense to accept the fiction that he didn't. I'm starting to think they might be willing to do that, which is why I've come around to thinking that it is possible.

I still think it's unlikely.

 

[Hassa_Bussa]

1. CVRJ has sworn peace officers whose jobs specifically include transporting inmates to court and to medical appointments and the like. He was not taken by EMTs unless it was a legitimate emergency. He was most likely cuffed and in the back of a secure transport van or car. No deputy had to be pulled off the street to drive Chris to the nuthouse.

2. Just because Chris is in a state hospital does not mean he has been "released"; he is still technically in jail and will remain so until the judge decides what the fuck to do about him.

3. Mental hospitals all over Virginia stopped taking new admissions shortly before Chris got arrested. It's possible that they have been trying to get him into a state hospital for further assessment since day 1 and it took this long to find him a place: https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...a7253c-e0e6-11eb-ae31-6b7c5c34f0d6_story.html (paywall, open in private window)

4. HOWEVER, that is against policy; once the judge signs the required TDO for further mental health treatment the facility is supposed to transfer within 10 days. The following is the VA state code relating to mentally incompetent defendants:



5. NGRI is still a slim possibility, see here: https://dbhds.virginia.gov/forensic-services/

Stop being reasonable and rational this is a Chris Chan thread.

 

[FightenGnome]

I know I am late to the party but just saw this: https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Jail_Letter_-_Prayer_to_Spamton

I guess I owe someone here some Dindu Nuffins in thinking that Chris would adjust to Jail life.

 

[Smleman303]

I used to think it was absolutely not going to happen, but my view has been changing.

The issue is that no matter how crazy Chris is right now, they'd have to prove that he didn't understand that what he was doing at the time was illegal or considered wrong by society, which he most definitely did understand. Chris is not unaware of what society thinks, he just thinks society is misinformed or malicious, depending on the person. More importantly, he understood that incest is illegal, as demonstrated in his previous discussions about it. Anyone he trusts (like Bella at the time) is someone he thinks has reached a true and honest agreement with him. To get NGRI the prosecution and judge have to basically collude with the defense to accept the fiction that he didn't. I'm starting to think they might be willing to do that, which is why I've come around to thinking that it is possible.

I still think it's unlikely.

Have you ever seen this happen before as you described it? Without power levelling.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

1. CVRJ has sworn peace officers whose jobs specifically include transporting inmates to court and to medical appointments and the like. He was not taken by EMTs unless it was a legitimate emergency. He was most likely cuffed and in the back of a secure transport van or car. No deputy had to be pulled off the street to drive Chris to the nuthouse.

2. Just because Chris is in a state hospital does not mean he has been "released"; he is still technically in jail and will remain so until the judge decides what the fuck to do about him.

3. Mental hospitals all over Virginia stopped taking new admissions shortly before Chris got arrested. It's possible that they have been trying to get him into a state hospital for further assessment since day 1 and it took this long to find him a place: https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...a7253c-e0e6-11eb-ae31-6b7c5c34f0d6_story.html (paywall, open in private window)

4. HOWEVER, that is against policy; once the judge signs the required TDO for further mental health treatment the facility is supposed to transfer within 10 days. The following is the VA state code relating to mentally incompetent defendants:



5. NGRI is still a slim possibility, see here: https://dbhds.virginia.gov/forensic-services/

Chris is in a far worse position than I thought if not only is he in a nuthouse he’s in an understaffed nuthouse, sounds like a recipe for Chris getting beat up by a fellow tard sooner or later.

Also wouldn’t an insanity plea be really bad for Chris since as far as I can tell there’s been no rape charge, only one for incest, so Chris probally wouldn’t be in jail for much longer if he had been behaving himself assuming he got the minimum sentence of one year but a mental facility can keep him there as long as they feel they need to? Or can his defendant just use that plea for him in lieu of Chris being declared unfit to stand trial?

 

[anti SJW]

The issue is that no matter how crazy Chris is right now, they'd have to prove that he didn't understand that what he was doing at the time was illegal or considered wrong by society, which he most definitely did understand.

That's why I think the prosecution could use the infamous "Don’t call anybody " Gamestop video. It shows Chris knows right from wrong when Chris said that. Shows Chris is capable of understanding that.

 

[Argh My Cigar]

Oh God, the world will never let Chris live this down if he gets out of the looney bin.

What's his defense going to be ?

"I FORESAW-"

Shut up, Chris.

I'm pretty sure the world was never going to let Chris live down the fact that he exists to begin with.

His e-infamy has become widely known to at least two generations of internet dwellers now.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Have you ever seen this happen before as you described it? Without power levelling.

Nope. I have never seen a successful NGRI in person, though I've been adjacent to ones that involved hallucinogenic drug use, where they were cleared of some charges due to NGRI, but were still held responsible on other charges due to their irresponsible behavior. This is not relevant in Chris' case.

EDIT: I should clarify that I have seen cases where NGRI was a possibility, but the charges were usually dropped and amended to charges that stuck better. This comes out of rave/Burning Man culture. Prosecutors don't like getting an NGRI verdict normally, which is why I'm skeptical that the prosecutor in Chris' case would go along with it. I've warmed to the idea though that he might be okay with it if it means getting rid of Chris.

Chris is an unusual case and is more or less outside my experience. I've seen tards get sent to hospitals, and I've seen people get convicted on sex crimes, but I've never seen anyone quite like Chris. I've met many people like Chris in some aspect or another but never with all of his characteristics combined into one person.

Chris is in a far worse position than I thought if not only is he in a nuthouse he’s in an understaffed nuthouse, sounds like a recipe for Chris getting beat up by a fellow tard sooner or later.

There's not a lot of ability for that to happen. The staff to patient ratio is higher than in prisons, and there's usually a staff member around in all areas. Somebody can get punched but fights get shut down really fast. It's a far safer place to be than a prison filled with violent criminals. From my experience, violence is very low and when it does happen it gets dealt with quickly.

Chris might get clocked but it will be ended rapidly. If i does happen, it will be useful education for Chris to learn how to behave.

Also wouldn’t an insanity plea be really bad for Chris since as far as I can tell there’s been no rape charge, only one for incest, so Chris probally wouldn’t be in jail for much longer if he had been behaving himself assuming he got the minimum sentence of one year but a mental facility can keep him there as long as they feel they need to? Or can his defendant just use that plea for him in lieu of Chris being declared unfit to stand trial?

Yes, but at this point Chris has been entirely delusional about his situation. He really needs to be in a mental hospital, so, from the perspective of his welfare, this is probably the best thing that ever happened to him. If he does get NGRI he'll just get more of it, but I imagine the goal here is to give him a chance to be restored somewhat so that he can live a relatively free life after the court case is over.

If nothing else, it's cheaper to have him living semi-independently than to pay people to constantly manage him. And really, he's not that insane. If they can get him out of his god complex, then a part-time tard wrangler should be enough to manage him. If Chris had gotten a tard wrangler ten years ago he would have been easily dealt with, but thanks to Borb's lack of trust of psychiatric services, it's come to this.

That's why I think the prosecution could use the infamous "Don’t call anybody " Gamestop video. It shows Chris knows right from wrong when Chris said that. Shows Chris is capable of understanding that.

In terms of mens rea, that wouldn't come into play until sentencing. It was a long time ago and has nothing to do with his recent crime. What's important is what the events were surrounding the crime that he is charged with.

 

[Miss Misery]

Also for anyone worried about Chris roaming the wards with catatonic slow-in-the-minds or harrassing nurses, etc., please note he is in the secure Forensic Unit with other criminals and things work a little differently in there - it's a lot more like jail than the other units.

Finally, I found this document rather interesting... it's JMU student experiences while working at WSH; it doesn't give you an idea of what it's like there as an inmate/patient, but still sheds some light on what Chris might be doing during his six-month stint in the looney bin: https://psyc.jmu.edu/undergraduate/fieldplacement/fp_documents/WesternStateHospital.pdf

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Also for anyone worried about Chris roaming the wards with catatonic slow-in-the-minds or harrassing nurses, etc., please note he is in the secure Forensic Unit with other criminals and things work a little differently in there - it's a lot more like jail than the other units.

Finally, I found this document rather interesting... it's JMU student experiences while working at WSH; it doesn't give you an idea of what it's like there as an inmate/patient, but still sheds some light on what Chris might be doing during his six-month stint in the looney bin: https://psyc.jmu.edu/undergraduate/fieldplacement/fp_documents/WesternStateHospital.pdf

Thank you. This is excellent information.