Final Fantasy XIV - Kiwi Free Company

Did Patrick Tomlinson get hired as a writer for SE when I wasn't looking? Overall, this is a terribly minor syntax error but I'm highlighting it because Dawntrail has so many of them that it is noticeable:

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I'd compile more but that would require suffering through the DT MSQ again and I really don't want to speak with Wuk Lamat (again.)
 
I dont get it. Is he still not under contract by SEnix at least? Or did he quit due to mistaken solidarity of the strikes and belatedly realised no one else gave a fuck about a failed troon VA?
I dunno, what I'm wondering is if this means that Wuk will be getting recast (assuming the unfortunate scenario where she's still around post-7.2). It'd be fucking hilarious if they recast Wuk with an actual biological female VA.
 
I dont get it. Is he still not under contract by SEnix at least? Or did he quit due to mistaken solidarity of the strikes and belatedly realised no one else gave a fuck about a failed troon VA?

Generally, you get paid when you do the work. I'm assuming that Square most likely did up to like 7.3 or so since most of those assets, etc. were already being worked on.

You're generally just paying voice talent for time spent in the booth. So that means there hasn't really been anything done since Dawntrail launched. Even that new line of 'speen lissen to mi' might've just been an alternate take rather than something new.

It just means that Square hasn't needed to record anything or, if they did have him record anything it'd be a pittance.

It might mean that Wuk Lamat is getting the Lyse/Aymeric treatment and will largely only have written dialogue from here til whenever. It might also just mean that Sena is waiting for the next round of recording and has done fuck all in the interim to remedy his financial situation (because he's retarded.)
 
Either all his work for SE paid a pittance even for the amount of lines because he is retarded or they screwed him over (really not gonna cry for the tard if thats the case though) or he got a nice paycheck that he already squandered
 
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he got a nice paycheck that he already squandered
Has to be this. Considering he's a nepotism hire, it's highly unlikely Cate would have let Square underpay him. Imagine the reeing that would have happened

Edit: as far as in-game shenanigans are concerned, I get to spend my weekend between Wondrous Scams and making the rest of my Ceremonial Tank gear(I'm putting off the healer stuff until I'm done)
 
Either all his work for SE paid a pittance even for the amount of lines because he is retarded or they screwed him over (really not gonna cry for the tard if thats the case though) or he got a nice paycheck that he already squandered
Gotta place a vote for squandered, few people are as efficient at utterly wasting vast sums of cash on nothing as troons are.
 
It's so incredibly idiotic that Sena assumed that he could just float on without a job by streaming and doing cons. Aside from voicing Wuk, who is already a polarizing, if not mostly disliked character, there are zero other roles that people know him for. What is the incentive to meet him at a con? He is a charisma vaccum, so why would anyone watch him stream?
 
It's so incredibly idiotic that Sena assumed that he could just float on without a job by streaming and doing cons. Aside from voicing Wuk, who is already a polarizing, if not mostly disliked character, there are zero other roles that people know him for. What is the incentive to meet him at a con? He is a charisma vaccum, so why would anyone watch him stream?
Troons live in perpetual hugboxes to escape the harsh reality of the real world, so they typically have no idea how to function in it either.
 
Either all his work for SE paid a pittance even for the amount of lines because he is retarded or they screwed him over (really not gonna cry for the tard if thats the case though) or he got a nice paycheck that he already squandered

Keep in mind Dawntrail came out last year and that production, etc. was going on well before that.

So he was in the booth probably 2~ years ago. Dude is not Nolan North or Grey Delisle or Jim Cummings, so he's not going to be getting paid top tier money.

Any money he was paid is likely long gone. It is blatantly obvious he thought that this was going to be a springboard for him into other top tier VA work, only he didn't account for the fact that he sucks.
 
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Keep in mind Dawntrail came out last year and that production, etc. was going on well before that.

So he was in the booth probably 2~ years ago. Dude is not Nolan North or Grey Delisle or Jim Cummings, so he's not going to be getting paid top tier money.

Any money he was paid is likely long gone. It is blatantly obvious he thought that this was going to be a springboard for him into other top tier VA work, only he didn't account for the fact that he sucks.
i know he is not really a big name, but it was still an obscene amount of work and a character that was supposed to carry the expansion throughout as far as how much they're featured in. Although you do have a point on that he probably expected the job offers to start streaming in after his stellar VA work and it just didnt. Unlike someone like Ben Starr
 
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I may just be retarded, but I wouldn’t put myself in a position where I’d depend on voice acting gigs as my sole source of income. Like I would ensure I have an actual trade or education to fall back on so I don’t end up selling extended warranties at a Best Buy or something. Especially if I were to, you know, voluntarily go on strike from voice acting.
 
i know he is not really a big name, but it was still an obscene amount of work and a character that was supposed to carry the expansion throughout as far as how much they're featured in.
I mean, while it's true, we really have to stop and wonder at how long that actually took to record. They clearly didn't do many takes, so at most, we're looking at... what, a two-month shoot? Really stretching, too. When I heard the lines in the newest patches, I mean... honestly, we could assume he got in enough for 3 patches' worth eons ago, and that's what? Eight hours of work? I think the money ran out a long time ago, and the silver-spooned beginnings have been picking up the slack. I would suspect credit and debt are the real cause of worry here, not rent.

I almost have to wonder if he bitched and moaned about how union rights and blahblah in order to not do any reshoots - because the game's release-state vocals were horrible. Not just the bizarre compression that often crunched out the highs and lows, but just as well the performance. Weird vocal emphasis, stupid trills that no other character put into their pronunciation, bizarrely-quiet takes on MURDERER! and mumbled-mouthed mush like PEEPHOLE!

The fact that Brena is kindof openly offering to scab on-the-down-low and is having trouble finding work anyways suggests to me that he's an absolute pain to work with and word of that has spread around the industry - why would you want to contract with someone who's going to make trouble for you, be a potential PR nightmare, and be a pain in the ass for your audio team? Couple that with the fact that the nepotism couldn't be any less obvious...
I may just be retarded, but I wouldn’t put myself in a position where I’d depend on voice acting gigs as my sole source of income.
The strike is the main outlier, as otheriwse it's not that much different from normal gig-work. The big issue is living in the most expensive places in the planet, really.
 
i know he is not really a big name, but it was still an obscene amount of work and a character that was supposed to carry the expansion throughout as far as how much they're featured in. Although you do have a point on that he probably expected the job offers to start streaming in after his stellar VA work and it just didnt. Unlike someone like Ben Starr

I think people really underestimate how much voice actors get paid.

A typical rate for podunk type stuff (ie, not LA/Hollywood/high end video games/etc) would be $75-$100/hr, depending on the project. Starting rates for something like a video game would probably be around $200-300/hr, higher if you're established and a name.

Like, the VA for Aerith in the FF7 remake was doing streaming and other shit to supplement her income and I'd argue she's getting paid at a higher rate than whatever the rate was for Trooncat. (In fact, I daresay that Sena might've seen the success Aerith's VA had and thought he could replicate it because he is also a true and honest woman.)

If we went off of Rich's estimates of 8 months of work at a $200/hr rate, that works out to $256,000 before taxes (in California that'd be about $95K doing some quick napkin math -- keep in mind I'm a Canuck and the American way of doing taxes is something I'm not well versed in so there may be writeoffs or lower/higher rates for him) and union dues (1.5% of annual earnings + a base fee so that's another $4,000.)

Not bad, if you're consistently getting work (which we know he isn't.)

So assume production started in 2022-2023 and that's $256,000 split over 2 (or more) years minus the $100K or so he'd be paying in taxes and union fees. Which puts him at $156K.

Average rent in LA is $2335. Assuming he's living alone (because obnoxious pornsick troon) and is paying average prices for rent (I don't think his Gibs a Thon correlates with that), that works out to $56,000 worth of rent over 2 years. Putting his earnings at $100,000.

Factor in all his travel expenses and con appearances where he likely operated at a loss, plus likely spending like he's nigger rich and I can't see $100,000 lasting very long.

I almost have to wonder if he bitched and moaned about how union rights and blahblah in order to not do any reshoots - because the game's release-state vocals were horrible.

I honestly think that this was just a case of a severe lack of oversight due to the teams being spread way too thin. I'm willing to bet a substantial amount of money that Kate was either overseeing it or delegated to other people on the localization team who didn't/don't have enough experience in this sort of thing.

Kate's strength is translation and understanding Japanese language. It's what she went to school for and, outside of QA work, is the only thing she has experience in.

Koji Fox, the guy who preceded Kate as localization lead, has some experience in programming, seems like a well rounded guy (he's a musician, reads lots and also enjoys video games), whereas Kate just seems to be anime/JRPG brainrotted (the only thing I've seen that isn't tied to Japan/anime/etc is her being on the archery team when in university.)

Kate seems incredibly limited in her worldview/experience so some retard doing some children's anime-tier delivery sounded perfectly fine to her.

Or, being more charitable, she doesn't have the experience being in the booth to know or demand more/different takes and just signed off on the first 'good' one (and potentially delegated the studio guys to being grunts, since we know she does not enjoy criticism and bristles at it.)
 
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If we went off of Rich's estimates of 8 months of work at a $200/hr rate, that works out to $256,000 before taxes (in California that'd be about $95K doing some quick napkin math -- keep in mind I'm a Canuck and the American way of doing taxes is something I'm not well versed in so there may be writeoffs or lower/higher rates for him) and union dues (1.5% of annual earnings + a base fee so that's another $4,000.)
That's probably way too high.

They only get paid for time in the booth - Wuk Lamat does not have anything close to 8 months of dialogue in the game and with some of the audio left in the game (Spheeene listen to me) it doesn't sound like there were tons of takes to do either. Sena Breyer was probably cast for a number of reasons, but probably came cheap. Probably took a lower rate hoping to get a "breakout" like you saw for Jon Bailey, Ben Starr, most of the BG3 voice cast, most of the P3R voice cast, most of the FF7R voice cast, and so on only to find that people actually don't care that much about Wuk Lamat or DT's story in general.

I'd put him in the booth for 320 hours (not 1,000+) and probably not at $200 either, but for the sake of argument we'll leave it. $64,000 (with the CA government taking a sizable chunk of it) doesn't last long in CA and streaming isn't going to make up that defecit at all without an already established audience.
 
Voice acting is a gig job, not a guaranteed 9-to-5 where you are working 40 hours a week every week. Maybe you will score a $500 gig one day, and then might not be able to get a gig for two weeks. And you aren't actually making $500 for one gig, because you have to factor in the amount of time you have to prepare for your work outside of when you are in the booth. Time spent practicing, time spent "networking" in the hopes that you will find another gig, time spent setting up and learning and maintenancing your equipment, etc. Matt Mercer and Crispin Freeman on their podcasts have been upfront that most voice actors have to work a real job like being a cashier to try to keep the lights on. English voice acting will never, ever be a stable career choice for most people, as Americans do not import much entertainment from overseas and English is the most spoken language in the world, so the potential labor poor is ginormous which drives wages down since there is always someone else out there willing to do it for cheaper. It will never be like the Japanese voice acting industry that imports a ton of entertainment from overseas but there is only a limited pool of people who speak Japanese who can dub it. It would probably be best to treat it as a hobby you might get some reimbursement from if you really, really like voice acting.
 
That's probably way too high.

They only get paid for time in the booth - Wuk Lamat does not have anything close to 8 months of dialogue in the game and with some of the audio left in the game (Spheeene listen to me) it doesn't sound like there were tons of takes to do either. Sena Breyer was probably cast for a number of reasons, but probably came cheap. Probably took a lower rate hoping to get a "breakout" like you saw for Jon Bailey, Ben Starr, most of the BG3 voice cast, most of the P3R voice cast, most of the FF7R voice cast, and so on only to find that people actually don't care that much about Wuk Lamat or DT's story in general.

I'd put him in the booth for 320 hours (not 1,000+) and probably not at $200 either, but for the sake of argument we'll leave it. $64,000 (with the CA government taking a sizable chunk of it) doesn't last long in CA and streaming isn't going to make up that defecit at all without an already established audience.

Yeah, I'm well aware.

Just saying that even going with generous estimates he doesn't have a ton of money to fuck around with, especially in such an expensive state like Cali.
 
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