Firearm 3D Printing General - Cody Wilson Did Absolutely Nothing Wrong

[Lemmingwise]

Two stories come to mind, Isaac Asimov "The Dead Past" and another one where the protaganist lives in a future where AI controls everything to the point humans cannot even do basic math. He starts to derive math prinicples and kills himself b/c he understands the Pandora's Box he opened

Was that the story where they used mathmaticians to put into rockets to guide them as kamikaze?

Or the one with the invention if printing out computer screens page by page so that you could read it without electricity? And the igno-splint?

I thought many of Asimovsstories were wildly fantastical, and perhaps none more so where a diplomat worried about a foreign influence, curbs the rights of the foreigners to just sell some board games and such.

He goes home, plays one of the board games with his kids, that have gotten hooked on them for a while.

He is surprised at how easy he beats them and amasses all wealth in the game. His kids are cheering. The object of the game is to lose all your wealth.

I look at modern culture, the values and ideals it instills and have to admit that Asimov knew what he was writing about 50 years ago. The soyboy gatekeepers are a good example of that.

 

[Lord Xenu]

I saw an interesting video yesterday about annealing plastic 3D prints in powdered salt. I'm not super into this stuff, so I'm not particularly knowledgeable but I do follow from a distance. Has there been any discussion of this on the relevant Keybase channels or anything? Think it might be useful for some components?

 

[hundredpercent]

What's the progress on 3d printing guns outside of the USA?

I know lower receivers are basically a solved problem, and you can make Luty-tier firearms with skills and equipment.

How long until random criminals can 3d print and assemble OK semi-automatic pistols/rifles, without buying gun parts or having access to a workshop?

 

[Lord Xenu]

What's the progress on 3d printing guns outside of the USA?

I know lower receivers are basically a solved problem, and you can make Luty-tier firearms with skills and equipment.

How long until random criminals can 3d print and assemble OK semi-automatic pistols/rifles, without buying gun parts or having access to a workshop?

Ivan has posted detailed instructions for a 3d printed 9mm (FGC-9) with homemade rifled barrel and how to make ammuniton from nailgun blanks that are widely available in countries with ammunition control measures. The only parts you need to buy is a fire control group (triggers etc) that can be acquired legally from airsoft rifles.

Here is his site: https://ivanthetroll.keybase.pub/index.html

 

[Marvin]

Ivan has posted detailed instructions for a 3d printed 9mm (FGC-9) with homemade rifled barrel and how to make ammuniton from nailgun blanks that are widely available in countries with ammunition control measures. The only parts you need to buy is a fire control group (triggers etc) that can be acquired legally from airsoft rifles.

Here is his site: https://ivanthetroll.keybase.pub/index.html

Hell, Ivan is working on 3d printed fire control groups.

 

[hundredpercent]

Ivan has posted detailed instructions for a 3d printed 9mm (FGC-9) with homemade rifled barrel and how to make ammuniton from nailgun blanks that are widely available in countries with ammunition control measures. The only parts you need to buy is a fire control group (triggers etc) that can be acquired legally from airsoft rifles.

Here is his site: https://ivanthetroll.keybase.pub/index.html

So, I'm not trying to fedpost here, but don't the rifled barrels still need equipment to make? And what about the bolt/chamber?

 

[Vecr]

So, I'm not trying to fedpost here, but don't the rifled barrels still need equipment to make? And what about the bolt/chamber?

The barrels are electro-machined out of some sort of pipe. I don't know about the fire control group things that are being worked on now.

 

[Lord Xenu]

So, I'm not trying to fedpost here, but don't the rifled barrels still need equipment to make? And what about the bolt/chamber?

I'm sure the fed's know all about it already. He does everything possible to make the info available far and wide. The barrel is made from a specific steel that is hardened, I forget what they are normally sold and used for, but they are available on AliExpress. To make the rifling they use a 3D printed spiral-shaped jig to insert in the barrel and an electrochemical process to etch the lands. It is done by leaving it in salty water with an electrical charge running through it.

I haven't looked at this stuff in a while, so I don't remember how the bolt and chamber works. Pretty sure the bolt is metal, or at least has some in it because you need the weight, but it is all easily made with hand tools.

This stuff is all over youtube, it's not illegal information (yet). I've even seen simpler builds for 20 gauge shotgun shells without rifling and just use a proper sized pipe for a barrel liner.

 

[hundredpercent]

I'm sure the fed's know all about it already. He does everything possible to make the info available far and wide. The barrel is made from a specific steel that is hardened, I forget what they are normally sold and used for, but they are available on AliExpress. To make the rifling they use a 3D printed spiral-shaped jig to insert in the barrel and an electrochemical process to etch the lands. It is done by leaving it in salty water with an electrical charge running through it.

I haven't looked at this stuff in a while, so I don't remember how the bolt and chamber works. Pretty sure the bolt is metal, or at least has some in it because you need the weight, but it is all easily made with hand tools.

This stuff is all over youtube, it's not illegal information (yet). I've even seen simpler builds for 20 gauge shotgun shells without rifling and just use a proper sized pipe for a barrel liner.

Oh, I'm in Europe, so that's why I'm concerened.

What happened to the Washbear? How come nobody expanded the concept into something more useful?

 

[Lord Xenu]

Oh, I'm in Europe, so that's why I'm concerened.

What happened to the Washbear? How come nobody expanded the concept into something more useful?

I'm in Canada, and they're starting to get pissed off about it here. Unlike the U.S., it is illegal to make your own firearms without a specific license for manufacture. 3D printed lowers are starting to show up on the streets. I don't think it will be long before some asshole politician tries to whip up some panic and levy it into votes. The information is still legal though.

If you want to be a little more secure, there are a few Keybase groups centered around this topic. I don't interact much, but I like to follow the conversation there.

I am pretty sure that the washbear design is still being used and evolving. That's how these designs go, it's like decentralized engineering. They keep what works, and discard what doesn't.

I don't want to give the impression that I am an expert, I don't even own a printer. It's interesting, so I have been following along for a few years.

 

[Orange Rhymer]

I'm Back Baby (kinda).
Got a little income again, and I want to buy a 3d printer.

Only for WH figurines, mind you DEFINITELY NOT for things that make loud noises...

Recommendations for 2022? I think we are in a 'Golden Time' for buying a 3d printer. Prices have dropped, even with trade problems and inflation.
I'm finding 3-in-1 machines (3d printer, CNC, and Laser Engraver/Cutter) for the prices that 3d printers used to be.

Any/All suggestions Are Welcome. I really don't want to give Creality any money, due to getting caught here with poor attempts to derail and shill...
(but if they are the best...)

 

[Puff]

I'm Back Baby (kinda).
Got a little income again, and I want to buy a 3d printer.

Only for WH figurines, mind you DEFINITELY NOT for things that make loud noises...

Recommendations for 2022? I think we are in a 'Golden Time' for buying a 3d printer. Prices have dropped, even with trade problems and inflation.
I'm finding 3-in-1 machines (3d printer, CNC, and Laser Engraver/Cutter) for the prices that 3d printers used to be.

Any/All suggestions Are Welcome. I really don't want to give Creality any money, due to getting caught here with poor attempts to derail and shill...
(but if they are the best...)

They're certainly not the best, but they're sufficient and cheap.

 

[Lord Xenu]

I'm Back Baby (kinda).
Got a little income again, and I want to buy a 3d printer.

Only for WH figurines, mind you DEFINITELY NOT for things that make loud noises...

Recommendations for 2022? I think we are in a 'Golden Time' for buying a 3d printer. Prices have dropped, even with trade problems and inflation.
I'm finding 3-in-1 machines (3d printer, CNC, and Laser Engraver/Cutter) for the prices that 3d printers used to be.

Any/All suggestions Are Welcome. I really don't want to give Creality any money, due to getting caught here with poor attempts to derail and shill...
(but if they are the best...)

What the Firearm printing community (used to?) recommend is a Prusa i3 clone and later upgrading it yourself with a heated bed & power supply. IDK if they still recommend that, when they left Keybase I stopped paying much attention.

Now you can get a generic i3 with a heated bed thrown in for a lot less, so maybe it's better to get a heated bed included. I don't own one, I use the one at the library when I need it, so I can't recommend this from personal experience. My library has one of those fully enclosed MakerBots that schools and stuff use. They seem overpriced, so I won't bother reviewing it.

Edit: Today I had a look at their site, so I thought I should add that currently CTRL+Pew site recommends a Creality Ender 3 (an i3 clone). That could be because of the affiliate links or something. Perhaps they have some other reason. I haven't followed any of them since the Keybase group.

 

[Orange Rhymer]

The Prusa originals are kinda boss.

Orig Prusa i3 MK3S+
Pros:
Direct drive filament (no shitty Bowden tubes)
temps good for polycarbonate and nylon.
interchangeable nozzles,(0 .25 - 1.0 mm).
Hardened steel nozzles for carbon/glass filled
Automatic bed leveling
filament run-out protection.
magnetized PEI coated steel bed
$300 accessory allows 5 other filaments 'on-the-fly'

Cons:
_Shitty_ 8bit controller
loud af
B&W screen
$750 kit / $1000 assembled


WTF. $750?! Still, it can do _FIVE_ diff colors/polymers (after an additional $300)

opinions?

 

[Lord Xenu]

The Prusa originals are kinda boss.

In the spirit of being cost-effective, I had a bad habit of buying tools that are more robust than I need, with the idea that it leaves me room to grow into later. What often happened is that I didn't use a lot of the features. Or by the time I do learn enough to use them they are not really the best implementation since the technology has progressed, and I have to hack around it. Now I try to find something more reasonable in price and if I find it limiting as I progress I will upgrade.

opinions?

It's very nice, but I don't think I could justify the price for my infrequent and very basic use case. From what I have read, if you're willing to get your hands dirty, most of the weaknesses in i3 machines can be ironed out. You can switch/upgrade a lot of the main components for i3 style designs. Even the screen and MCU. Don't take my opinion for gospel, my experience is limited to printing very basic shit on my library's MakerBot.

Have you had a chance to use a printer at school or a friend's? Your local library might have one. You should design and print something before you invest. Unless you do design for work or school and know what you are getting into already.

Only for WH figurines, mind you DEFINITELY NOT for things that make loud noises...

I see people mentioning UV Resin LCD printing for figurines and such. The 3D firearms' community didn't use them because of limited print size and the material properties. They are way more reasonable in price now. They print high quality details and might be a better fit for your use. Have you looked into them at all?

 

[Orange Rhymer]

In the spirit of being cost-effective, I had a bad habit of buying tools that are more robust than I need, with the idea that it leaves me room to grow into later. What often happened is that I didn't use a lot of the features. Or by the time I do learn enough to use them they are not really the best implementation since the technology has progressed, and I have to hack around it. Now I try to find something more reasonable in price and if I find it limiting as I progress I will upgrade.

It's very nice, but I don't think I could justify the price for my infrequent and very basic use case. From what I have read, if you're willing to get your hands dirty, most of the weaknesses in i3 machines can be ironed out. You can switch/upgrade a lot of the main components for i3 style designs. Even the screen and MCU. Don't take my opinion for gospel, my experience is limited to printing very basic shit on my library's MakerBot.

Have you had a chance to use a printer at school or a friend's? Your local library might have one. You should design and print something before you invest. Unless you do design for work or school and know what you are getting into already.

I see people mentioning UV Resin LCD printing for figurines and such. The 3D firearms' community didn't use them because of limited print size and the material properties. They are way more reasonable in price now. They print high quality details and might be a better fit for your use. Have you looked into them at all?

(figurines was a joke)
I had a rant on here with Distant Stare about how present-day citizens have the tools previously allotted to the gods, yet our emasculated/infantilized man-babies make toys for themselves.
in their 20s... 30s... 40s...

Want to change the world? Start printing punch-daggers and distributing.
in minecraft

 

[Lord Xenu]

(figurines was a joke)
I had a rant on here with Distant Stare about how present-day citizens have the tools previously allotted to the gods, yet our emasculated/infantilized man-babies make toys for themselves.
in their 20s... 30s... 40s...

Want to change the world? Start printing punch-daggers and distributing.
in minecraft

Ha ha, sorry! This thread is pretty slow, I hardly remember things I posted myself that long ago. I will throw in a vid I watched a few days ago for the thread tax.

This is a pretty cool toy, but this trigger doesn't seem very reliable. I've seen this guys prints go through lots of cartridges without any failures, so I don't think the gun is the issue.

I wonder how long YT is going to allow 3D Firearms channels. This is the company that removes "cinnamon challenge" tier content. Anyway, he posts some cool shit, albeit slightly spergy (the gay memes etc).

 

[Orange Rhymer]

Ha ha, sorry! This thread is pretty slow, I hardly remember things I posted myself that long ago. I will throw in a vid I watched a few days ago for the thread tax.

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This is a pretty cool toy, but this trigger doesn't seem very reliable. I've seen this guys prints go through lots of cartridges without any failures, so I don't think the gun is the issue.

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I wonder how long YT is going to allow 3D Firearms channels. This is the company that removes "cinnamon challenge" tier content. Anyway, he posts some cool shit, albeit slightly spergy (the gay memes etc).

Thanks for linking. Cool vids. His channel will be shit-canned right after Leafy's next sock...
Printing lowers, while assembling uppers & barrels seems fine.
But mail/web ordering kits sans lowers will still have you traceable. Breaks anonymity.
But, I'm still hella nervous trusting a 100% printed build.

Ghost Gunner requires kits too - and it costs $3k+

So many answers in this age, but no answers in this age.
I guess I'll do it the old way - see you at Home Depot in the plumbing and hardware depts....

 

[KittyGremlin]

The Prusa originals are kinda boss.

Orig Prusa i3 MK3S+
Pros:
Direct drive filament (no shitty Bowden tubes)
temps good for polycarbonate and nylon.
interchangeable nozzles,(0 .25 - 1.0 mm).
Hardened steel nozzles for carbon/glass filled
Automatic bed leveling
filament run-out protection.
magnetized PEI coated steel bed
$300 accessory allows 5 other filaments 'on-the-fly'

Cons:
_Shitty_ 8bit controller
loud af
B&W screen
$750 kit / $1000 assembled


WTF. $750?! Still, it can do _FIVE_ diff colors/polymers (after an additional $300)

opinions?

If you're not a lazy fuck, get a Voron kit. It's slightly cheaper, has more build volume, construction is more rigid which allows for faster head movement and more precision. Might buy one myself in the near future.

 

[Lord Xenu]

Here is a recent interview with Ivan The Troll from Odysee. It was uploaded March 7th 2022 and is just over 2 hours long.
Part 1

Part 2

Part 3