🐟 Fishtank Fishtank.Live General - Jet Neptune's Pisces Aquarium Internet Reality Show w/ Host Bam Margera

[yoursavior]

Honestly it feels like Sam really caught lightning in a bottle with this cast, the premise, and execution so far, that I hope this is the only major fuck up in the road. Anything more would just get people to tune out if the whole premise is 24/7 access for apparently over a month, yet we're missing days at a time here.

 

[Blitzsneed]

>10 livestreams at once
>for every user + restreams
>the (((handlers))) providing the bandwidth
What a shame, but I shouldn't have had to be surprised. In order to cut costs(?), they cut corners on the planning part or it was overlooked. Expecting only 5k viewers was just the tip of the iceberg and I knew bigger problems would arise because of that. With how the website was built, the multiple TTS messages playing at the same time or not even playing at all (data structures lol), being able to restream the whole thing on Sam's behalf and the token duping glitch gives a certain insight. Either it was slapped together without enough testing and/or the fishtank IT department have no fucking clue what they are doing.
This was a massive fuckup. I bet Sam is beyond livid right now and is probably fisting the website devs' assholes dry. Graf's a faggot, but if he pulls this off, he regained some respect back from the poast chimpouts.

I miss this show already, the autists are pretty funny. I hope this shit will get fixed as soon as possbile.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

He didn't think it dream it do it on the price.

 

[Vinegar Lover]

Is bandwidth really that expensive when it comes to streaming? Is it the 9 simultaneous streams that are causing this clusterfuck or was it the spaghetti-coded chat? Either way, a 2-day downtime would definitely kill their momentum

I could be completely wrong, but I believe twitch streams slow down when you start to get a certain number of people watching one stream, where sometimes the twitch people have to step in to compensate and direct more resources. Either way imagine 5k people watching 10 streams simultaneously and it adds up. You're basically torrenting 10 480p movies at once and knowing Sam the coding is probably the bare minimum exacerbating the issue

 

[Null]

How does streaming cost that much? Did those retards not check multiple options and compare prices?

First, he's using Google. Cloud services like AWS, Google, and others are insanely, prohibitively expensive except to truly profitable enterprises.

Second, he is paying them for video processing. GPU processing is very, very expensive because GPU datacenters are currently being rented by ML projects in Academia, Government, and Big Tech itself. He's just trying to render retards sleeping at 1080/720/480p for web and mobile viewing, but he's bidding against the most powerful entities in the world for the processing to do so.

Third, bandwidth is expensive and videos use a lot of bandwidth. Metokur's biggest stream had 25,000 concurrent viewers. I've broken down the math elsewhere, but here you go:
- 1080p30fps is about 8Mbps (mebibit).
- Multiple 8 by 25 000 and divide by 1024 and you get 195Gbps
- That's is two 100Gbps (gibibit) lines.
- Bandwidth comes in two flavors: Dedicated (flat) and usage-based (CDR).
- A 10Gbps dedicated line at my locations is usually about $750/mo. So multiply that by 20 and you get $15,000 a month for bandwidth - but in reality I think you get $8~$10 000 for being a big customer buying in bulk.

Not factored in is hardware. You'll need a server with a 2x100Gbps network card, such as this for $1300. If you're doing your video processing yourself, you'll need the software to manage it and graphics cards in the dedicated server. Then you'll also need a place to put it that isn't going to kick you off. You'll also probably need a router capable of processing 200Gbps and the billions of packets per second going through such a network, and that is a very big price in and of itself.

This is why streaming startup competitors to YouTube always fail. YouTube has Google money to keep it solvent no matter what and what they offer for free is unbeatable by a DIY setup without serious investment capital.

 

[RoidBeast]

Honestly it feels like Sam really caught lightning in a bottle with this cast, the premise, and execution so far, that I hope this is the only major fuck up in the road. Anything more would just get people to tune out if the whole premise is 24/7 access for apparently over a month, yet we're missing days at a time here.

Did we watch the same thing? These people are all boring as fuck. What premise? Its literally a wannabe big brother except it isnt exciting in the slightest. What execution? It sucks.

 

[TiggerNits]

I could be completely wrong, but I believe twitch streams slow down when you start to get a certain number of people watching one stream, where sometimes the twitch people have to step in to compensate and direct more resources. Either way imagine 5k people watching 10 streams simultaneously and it adds up. You're basically torrenting 10 480p movies at once and knowing Sam the coding is probably the bare minimum exacerbating the issue

It's also worth mentioning that there's a reason that after researching the modern tech industry of the early 2010s that Mike Judge chose the "huge break through tech" the characters make in Silicon Valley was a system that simplified and reduced the network hit for streaming video

 

[Leakage Current]

Is bandwidth really that expensive when it comes to streaming? Is it the 9 simultaneous streams that are causing this clusterfuck or was it the spaghetti-coded chat? Either way, a 2-day downtime would definitely kill their momentum

Just the traffic is 4.5-8.5ct/GB with Google Cloud Standard Tier (8-12ct wth Premium Tier)

Assuming total monkey coding, 10 streams at 5Mb/s is 22.5GB per user per hour, so about $1-$2/user/hour watched.

You can see how that adds up quickly. 10000 users watching is $10k/hour.

 

[Small G genocide]

Is bandwidth really that expensive when it comes to streaming? Is it the 9 simultaneous streams that are causing this clusterfuck or was it the spaghetti-coded chat? Either way, a 2-day downtime would definitely kill their momentum

I'm not sure if their issue is the bandwidth or something else server related, but I do know they could cut both staircams and the garage cam and reduce their bandwidth consumption by 30% with zero change to the viewer experience.

Would be nice if the streams go back up soon so I can get back to clipping letty's feet.

 

[SFINAE]

Not factored in is hardware. You'll need a server with a 2x100Gbps network card, such as this for $1300. If you're doing your video processing yourself, you'll need the software to manage it and graphics cards in the dedicated server. Then you'll also need a place to put it that isn't going to kick you off. You'll also probably need a router capable of processing 200Gbps and the billions of packets per second going through such a network, and that is a very big price in and of itself.

Not sure if you're talking about the general case or this particular one, but for Fishtank this didn't matter at all as they put all their actual livestreams behind the Cloudfront* CDN, which means they don't actually need to own the bandwidth, AWS does.

Second, he is paying them for video processing. GPU processing is very, very expensive because GPU datacenters are currently being rented by ML projects in Academia, Government, and Big Tech itself. He's just trying to render retards sleeping at 1080/720/480p for web and mobile viewing, but he's bidding against the most powerful entities in the world for the processing to do so.

I don't think they need GPU processing TBH, those streams are pretty dang low quality. If they're processing H.264 with fast preset on ffmpeg, they only need one CPU core per stream.

 

[Null]

Not sure if you're talking about the general case or this particular one, but for Fishtank this didn't matter at all as they put all their actual livestreams behind the Cloudflare CDN, which means they don't actually need to own the bandwidth, AWS does.

yes dummy which is why it's $10,000 a day. I'm saying if you want to not spend $10,000 a day on obscene cloud computing, you must also pay for the fucking hardware.

I don't think they need GPU processing TBH, those streams are pretty dang low quality. If they're processing H.264 with fast preset on ffmpeg, they only need one CPU core per stream.

so you're going to build a server specifically for video streaming and use the CPU for encoding 7 streams to 3 different qualities? or they can just buy a cheap aftermarket GPU and completely free up their CPUs bro!


This is like the second time in an hour you've tried to one up me on tech shit without reading what I've said. Fuck off.

 

[Rungle]

I guess their... sleepin with the fishes

 

[12345678901]

I'm not sure if their issue is the bandwidth or something else server related, but I do know they could cut both staircams and the garage cam and reduce their bandwidth consumption by 30% with zero change to the viewer experience.

Would be nice if the streams go back up soon so I can get back to clipping letty's feet.

Garage cam is crucial for the show.

 

[Shig O'nella]

Garage cam is crucial for the show.

Not 24/7 though.

 

[Flex Tape]

Garage cam is crucial for the show.

Should be motion/TTS activated. The others too, especially at night. They’d save a little on costs doing that.

 

[Mimiga]

Mauro's fat ass snoring literally bankrupted Sam

 

[820㎌Cap]

The reality of waking up next to a slam pig.

 

[PhillmoreButts]

Mauro's fat ass snoring literally bankrupted Sam

 

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[Vinluv Handesbukia]

I think this will help in the end. Brings tension and drama.