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What are your thoughts on X-Plane 12?
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So this is their response to MSFS 2020. It looks like they did a lot of updates to various engines and better utilize the GPU with 3d gen scenery. New A330 is nice, hope there are a couple more new aircraft added in the final release. Only thing that was meh in the keynote is the ground texture. It still looks like a PS2 era game. I think 12 feels like more 11.5 going off that keynote.
 
Car Won't Crank said:
So this is their response to MSFS 2020. It looks like they did a lot of updates to various engines and better utilize the GPU with 3d gen scenery. New A330 is nice, hope there are a couple more new aircraft added in the final release. Only thing that was meh in the keynote is the ground texture. It still looks like a PS2 era game. I think 12 feels like more 11.5 going off that keynote.
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XP12 still has a long way to go to match MSFS in terms of graphics, but one thing it's always been ahead in is the flight model, by actually calculating the aerodynamics of the model compared to a LUT in other simulators.
The A330 already seems like a decent default aircraft, possibly outranking even the default 737.
One thing I hope for is full compatibility with existing 11 addons, thanks to the community creating some amazing freeware&payware aircraft(seriously try the Zibo 737 if you haven't),
 
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MajorBlasski454 said:
XP12 still has a long way to go to match MSFS in terms of graphics, but one thing it's always been ahead in is the flight model, by actually calculating the aerodynamics of the model compared to a LUT in other simulators.
The A330 already seems like a decent default aircraft, possibly outranking even the default 737.
One thing I hope for is full compatibility with existing 11 addons, thanks to the community creating some amazing freeware&payware aircraft(seriously try the Zibo 737 if you haven't),
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I figure many of the addons will be compatible. Laminar doesn't seem like a company to make all the addons made for 11 null for 12. They even incorporated a freeware addon for 12 after all.
 
What is the overall consensus on the 40th Anniversary update?(late night aviation sperging ahead)

My opinion: The cherry on the date pie, the free iniBuilds A310, was a godsend, as the first study-level long haul aircraft for the sim (no more awkward transatlantic routes with the A320), and the only one at least until PMDG roll out their 777. The A310 fills in that perfect nostalgic niche, during the early glass cockpit era before classic gauges went completely extinct. Having already done an 8 hour flight in my national airline's colors, I think the translation from X-Plane was more than graceful. The EFB offers fuel and mass calculations, pilot checklists, and ground services (notice how Fenix, Just Flight, FBW all have working EFB without going "muh Asobo" like PMDG)

The DC-3 and Spruce Goose were very interesting sights as well, just as the inclusion of rotary-wing helicopters. If future 3rd party collaborations are as good as this update, 2023 will be an exciting year for MSFS,
 
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MajorBlasski454 said:
What is the overall consensus on the 40th Anniversary update?(late night aviation sperging ahead)

My opinion: The cherry on the date pie, the free iniBuilds A310, was a godsend, as the first study-level long haul aircraft for the sim (no more awkward transatlantic routes with the A320), and the only one at least until PMDG roll out their 777. The A310 fills in that perfect nostalgic niche, during the early glass cockpit era before classic gauges went completely extinct. Having already done an 8 hour flight in my national airline's colors, I think the translation from X-Plane was more than graceful. The EFB offers fuel and mass calculations, pilot checklists, and ground services (notice how Fenix, Just Flight, FBW all have working EFB without going "muh Asobo" like PMDG)

The DC-3 and Spruce Goose were very interesting sights as well, just as the inclusion of rotary-wing helicopters. If future 3rd party collaborations are as good as this update, 2023 will be an exciting year for MSFS,
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This is the most recent MS Flight Sim right? Isn't the 747-8i there already in the game before the A310 as a long haul airliner?
 
Car Won't Crank said:
This is the most recent MS Flight Sim right? Isn't the 747-8i there already in the game before the A310 as a long haul airliner?
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MSFS 2020 is the latest yes.

There is a 747-8i as a default aircraft, but it's not nearly as realistic and deep as the A310. As someone who's more of a fan of the previous generations (-400 and before), I either have to wait until 2023-24 for PMDG's own 747, or satisfy my urges with XP11.
 
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Bump.
I got a X52 pro used for a good price here in my shithole, it's not the same as my sadly dead Sidewinder FFB2.
I'm back to IL2 1946, Warthunder Sim and FSX (i don't get enough disk space at the moment for my pirated DCS world or FS 2020) and i wanna try lock on and falcon 4.0 for a good nostalgia kick.
It's insane how a 1998 game still has good AI.
IL 2 1946, the 4.15 patch is also very challenging with the new AI, it's worth a try.
 
I got IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad on some notion it would be easier to learn to dogfight properly in, realized that it's jank and has no tutorials, and then immediately regretted it.

I really wanted it just so that I could eventually get Flying Circus with it.

I'm interested in MSFS, more waiting for 2 for the career stuff and ballooning. Hope that the terrain generation won't be totally fucked (it's fine at cruising altitude, but you know how it's absolute nonsense if you get close enough to actually study what you're looking at).
 
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I'm sure that this has been mentioned somewhere in this thread, but it's absurd how bad the state of combat flight simulators are these days. There are only like 3-4 out there, they're almost all ancient at this point, and they all are heavily lacking compared to flight sims of the past. DCS is imo a total joke in all ways besides graphics and cockpit modelling. I'm counting War Thunder Sim as one of the big sims here, and that in and of itself is an indictment.

In the late 90s and early 2000s you had so many flight sims covering pretty much all eras of air combat and with a wide spectrum of arcade-realistic physics and systems. Not all of them were that good, but none of them felt lacking in features, particularly with regard to campaign systems, which are sorely lacking in pretty much every major flight sim today. What the hell happened? MiG Alley, Battle of Britain, Red Baron 3D, obviously Falcon 4, all these games feel like superior offerings to what we have now. The newest game I played with a good campaign system was Wings Over Flander's Field/Wings Over the Reich, and those games were built on the Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 3 engine, which basically disqualifies them as new.
 
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I'm sure that this has been mentioned somewhere in this thread, but it's absurd how bad the state of combat flight simulators are these days. There are only like 3-4 out there, they're almost all ancient at this point, and they all are heavily lacking compared to flight sims of the past. DCS is imo a total joke in all ways besides graphics and cockpit modelling. I'm counting War Thunder Sim as one of the big sims here, and that in and of itself is an indictment.

In the late 90s and early 2000s you had so many flight sims covering pretty much all eras of air combat and with a wide spectrum of arcade-realistic physics and systems. Not all of them were that good, but none of them felt lacking in features, particularly with regard to campaign systems, which are sorely lacking in pretty much every major flight sim today. What the hell happened? MiG Alley, Battle of Britain, Red Baron 3D, obviously Falcon 4, all these games feel like superior offerings to what we have now. The newest game I played with a good campaign system was Wings Over Flander's Field/Wings Over the Reich, and those games were built on the Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 3 engine, which basically disqualifies them as new.
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It's even sadder when you think:
  • Falcon 4s dynamic campaing was written by a intern and it's still considered the best campaing system ever
  • The original Il-2 was written by a a group of aeronautical engineers, not programmers
  • Rowan's stuff was constantly forced to release early and was underfunded
  • All of the above were made to run on a fucking Pentium 2 or 3
DCS I think it might have some serious problems, heatblur (their f-14 module creator) has started making shit for MSFS, their f-15E debacle was and is insane to see.

This obsession with "fidelity" against everything else has ruined flight sims, it has allowed shit like IL-2 GB not adding b-17s because somehow the engine can't handle 4 engines, or the complete avoidance of the Pacific theater because while there's still performance reports of jap planes, there might be no cockpit pics or vice-versa (they probably exist, but they are all too cheap to pay some japanese sperg to go in the archives and ask around).

This is a great video, and he's right, I'd rather have no clicky cockpits of all planes (or at least not have the oxygen mask tester or the circuit breakers modelled) and cheaper planes or more content like maps or campaigns.
 
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Sad that this thread isn't more active.

I've been trying to find either a 727 or L-1011 for MSFS2020. Any recommendations? I have my old payware JustFlight L-1011 for FSX... maybe I could convert it?...
 
Rekeita's Kidneys said:
Sad that this thread isn't more active.

I've been trying to find either a 727 or L-1011 for MSFS2020. Any recommendations? I have my old payware JustFlight L-1011 for FSX... maybe I could convert it?...
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Converting it might work, but you may need to do a lot of work to get it properly working. I'd recommend 2 solutions below:

Study Level:
Here's the best 727 for MSFS 2020/24, however it does have some bugs last I heard, and it's near study level; that said, of the people I've spoken to about it, they like it.
inibuilds (generally good developer, but their aircraft tend to be overpriced) is working on an L-1011:

Outside of these paid options, some decent freeware can be found here at flightsim.to (iirc they require an account to download):
 
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Adroc Thurston said:
Converting it might work, but you may need to do a lot of work to get it properly working. I'd recommend 2 solutions below:

Study Level:
Here's the best 727 for MSFS 2020/24, however it does have some bugs last I heard, and it's near study level; that said, of the people I've spoken to about it, they like it.
inibuilds (generally good developer, but their aircraft tend to be overpriced) is working on an L-1011:

Outside of these paid options, some decent freeware can be found here at flightsim.to (iirc they require an account to download):
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Hey thanks man! Hopefully I can find a torrent or some shit for it before I dump the bucks on it lol.

I genuinely wasn't expecting anyone to view this thread, all the other gaming/sim threads tend to get much more views lol
 
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