Forgotten / Memory-holed Psyops - What things do you believe were pushed heavily into public consciousness only to be forgotten that they were pushed at all?

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geckogoy said:
Its caused by whatever causes it, its not really relevant
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So the climate's just magically changing for no reason? We're potentially getting a blue ocean event this summer, for the first time in human history
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but it's just randomly happening and it's nothing to do with our civilization's carbon emissions. Just a crazy coincidence.
geckogoy said:
You have no defense against the fact that that is most likely what you would be saying.
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The defence is: I'm right, and your argument boils down to "I don't trust scientists so am ignoring the evidence they're presenting to me that I can see with my own eyes". Tell me, do you think the Earth is flat too, or are you more of a hollow-Earther?
 
if global warming was real then it would be pretty trivial to just write a breakdown of the concept for laypeople to understand but instead i have to deal with ivory tower faggots smugly vagueposting about this every time it comes up as if it was as self evident as the rotation of the earth
 
big pauper said:
if global warming was real then it would be pretty trivial to just write a breakdown of the concept for laypeople to understand but instead i have to deal with ivory tower faggots smugly vagueposting about this every time it comes up as if it was as self evident as the rotation of the earth
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When the sun shines on the Earth, it sends us lots of heat. That heat bounces off into space. However, some gases absorb that heat and keep it trapped on Earth. This is good because otherwise we'd all freeze to death.

A very long time ago, the Earth had a lot more of these gases in the atmosphere and was a lot hotter. Various things meant these gases got trapped in different forms, including fossil fuels. A long time ago the cycle of decay didn't work the same way so lots more got trapped. This meant the Earth got cooler. It still happens today, plants do it when they grow.

When we burn fossil fuels (among other things) we release lots of those gases, a lot more than our plants can recapture. That means the Earth traps more heat. That doesn't happen straight away. It also does not mean the Earth warms up evenly. Having more heat means the atmosphere has more heat energy, which can mean more extremes - in the same way that if you turn up the burner under a simmering pot, it starts bubbling more violently.

There are also really complicated other things. White things reflect more light, so ice bounces more light and heat out into space. When that ice goes away, it means heating can speed up. There is also something called methane clathrate, which is a fancy way of saying ice that has trapped a lot of a greenhouse gas. When that melts from getting too warm, it can speed up heating too. Some things, like the warm air and water that goes to Europe, could stop working if the saltiness of the sea gets diluted by melting ice. All sorts of things could result in the weather you normally have being very different.

This all doesn't mean the Earth will turn into Venus. But it does mean the world could look very different. The climate has varied lots and lots over history, but generally changes very slowly. The concern is that it is changing very very fast now. Too fast for plants and animals to adapt. Also our society is very complicated, and if our food can't grow like it used to in the same places, or our rain patterns change, or it gets too hot to live in certain places, it could cause big issues for all of us. Although we have lots of clever technology, the supply chains are very complicated, and this sort of disruption could mean we can't easily use our technology. Things like drought or famine could kill lots of people and also lead to wars over resources, or many refugees trying to get into countries where things are still ok.

How's that?
 
Boss you're telling me that a hundred years of industry has completely destroyed the ability of the planet to support the biosphere by raising the temperature of the ocean two degrees and we need to solve this by taxing gasoline instead of a full scale industrial embargo of the developing world?

you got it, boss
 
big pauper said:
and we need to solve this by taxing gasoline instead of a full scale industrial embargo of the developing world?
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This is the actual issue here. I am willing to believe anthropogenic climate change is a thing that is happening, but the people who say so are always EXTREMELY eager to push solutions that simply do NOT align with that thesis. There is no investment on nuclear power, no push to reduce the polution from the biggest polluter (China and India), massive over focus on final consumers in the 1st world while ignoring industry that produces the pollution and complaining about population in one hand and then demanding infinity 3rd world immigration which only increases pollution in the other.
 
big pauper said:
Boss you're telling me that a hundred years of industry has completely destroyed the ability of the planet to support the biosphere by raising the temperature of the ocean two degrees and we need to solve this by taxing gasoline instead of a full scale industrial embargo of the developing world?
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No, not at all. Climate change won't cause the planet to become unable to support the biosphere. Life will persist.

The rate of climate change will destabilise complex society, because the places we do farming won't work the same, and the places where lots of people live right now won't be good to live in (and in some cases will become too hot to live in safely). Food and water will become scarce. Also a lot of species will die out because they can't adapt quickly enough to the new conditions, and complex society is required to e.g. replant Wales with Mediterranean plants (assuming a climate match).

I've also observed in this thread that framing this as a consumer choice issue is not helpful or useful and forms part of a psyop to control people. Increasing tax on petrol is not something that would help, although, for example, America currently spends tens of billions in federal subsidies to keep the price of petrol artificially low. In particular, the West attempting to reduce emissions when places like China can massively increase their carbon output means this is self defeating and would only put the West at a disadvantage. Which I already said.

I don't know what the actual solution is. The climate change we're experiencing today is lagging behind our emissions (iirc we're currently experiencing the impacts of the 90s) so if we stopped all carbon emissions today, which we can't, the global temperature would keep rising for a while. And we are experiencing climate change. Look at this glacier
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or this coral reef
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Sealife in particular is a funny one, because they don't just suffer from hotter sea temperature but also from ocean acidification, which happens because nore carbon dioxide in the atmosphere means more carbon dioxide dissolving into the ocean and forming carbonic acid.

Like I said, I don't know what the solution is. But "everything will be fine, climate change is no big deal and nothing to do with us" is both cope and a psyop designed to keep you consuming.
 
big pauper said:
we need to solve this by taxing gasoline instead of a full scale industrial embargo of the developing world?
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Yeah the whole thing's an incoherent mess, if they said 'so thats why we need to nuke india and china right now!!!' I'd be like good point actually I didn't realize you were a respectable bipartisan
 
AssignedEva said:
I see. Could you please explain to me what's caused the extreme change in global average temperature over the last 100 years, then? It should be pretty trivial to just write a breakdown for laypeople to understand.
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The point that usually gets brought up is that techniques aren't advanced enough to accurately measure temperatures from millions of years ago or even a hundred years ago so it's not actually proven that there was an extreme change in temperatures, and that even if there were a change, it was probably caused by Milankovitch cycles anyway.

Personally, if the evidence isn't conclusive, then I don't think that necessarily means climate change isn't caused by humans. It just means we don't know yet and it could go either way.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
Well I'm still waiting for the ocean levels to rise from all that melted polar ice caps and wipe out the coastal cities in the process. Should've happened like 26 years ago or so.
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Sea levels have risen by about 3 inches in the last 26 years
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This is a global average. Sea level rise is not uniform, because the sea isn't level like you'd get in a bathtub. Florida's sea level is rising more rapidly and they're dealing subsidence, which means flooding is happening more frequently. Similar story with Venice and Jakarta, to the point that Indonesia's building a brand new capital city.
The point at which coastal cities are underwater would not come for quite some time, the issue in the short-medium term is mostly the rate and severity of flooding and things like saltwater aquifer intrusion.
Lowlife Adventures said:
The point that usually gets brought up is that techniques aren't advanced enough to accurately measure temperatures from millions of years ago or even a hundred years ago so it's not actually proven that there was an extreme change in temperatures, and that even if there were a change, it was probably caused by Milankovitch cycles anyway.

Personally, if the evidence isn't conclusive, then I don't think that necessarily means climate change isn't caused by humans. It just means we don't know yet and it could go either way.
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It's absolutely proven that there's been an extreme change in temperatures from a hundred years ago.
Milankovitch cycles absolutely play a role, but those take place over thousands of years, not decades.
 
AssignedEva said:
I see. Could you please explain to me what's caused the extreme change in global average temperature over the last 100 years, then? It should be pretty trivial to just write a breakdown for laypeople to understand.
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Lots of deforestation comes to mind. Trees suck up a lot of heat and emit oxygen in turn; I'm old enough to recall refreshimg summers where there were plenty of trees around but in cities, not so much.
 
AssignedEva said:
I see. Could you please explain to me what's caused the extreme change in global average temperature over the last 100 years, then? It should be pretty trivial to just write a breakdown for laypeople to understand.
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Last 100 years has been the first time in history we could directly measure and log temperatures, atmospheric content, and ocean content.
The problem is the fuckheads that are demanding every penny I make in the form of carbon taxes are the same people that control the outflow of said above data. I have a hard time trusting anything they say when a rebranding of old jewish tricks is also on display.
 
Goyim the oceans have gotten 0.3 degrees warmer we need to take more of your money to give to unaudited charity organizations operating out of guam to save the turtles and jellyfish this is the only way were gonna solve climate change
 
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