Former Celebrities

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Pinball Lizard said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't that oft-quoted story of the Andrew Jackson administration actually weaponizing smallpox against Native Americans turn out to be pulled directly from Churchill's ass? I could swear I heard that somewhere.
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I don't know whether Andrew Jackson did that, but Jeffrey Amherst certainly did. There were certainly attempts to do that. Whether they ultimately made any difference is questionable, as smallpox epidemics were basically raging anyway.
 
AnOminous said:
I don't know whether Andrew Jackson did that, but Jeffrey Amherst certainly did. There were certainly attempts to do that. Whether they ultimately made any difference is questionable, as smallpox epidemics were basically raging anyway.
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Jackson was pretty awful to Indians. He was President during, and a strong proponent of, the Indian Removal Act and the Trail of Tears. It thoroughly upended decades of human rights progress which was brought about to Red America via acculturation and the policies and proposals of the likes of Jefferson and Washington.

White America has done enough awful things to people which are actually real and in some cases are still going on. Making shit up or focusing on matters which are ultimately insignificant just keeps attention away from, and even dilutes the value of, the truth.
 
Anyone remember Kes from Star Trek: Voyager? Well, the actress who played her, Jennifer Lien had some legal troubles earlier this year after ramming a cop car and trying to resist arrest. Now she's been arrested again, after an argument over a neighbor's noisy kids somehow ended up with Lien flashing her boobs and butt at them. For good measure, she threw in a few death threats at the cops who came to arrest her, and refused to wear any clothes to the police station.

Also, she now looks like a slightly slimmer version of Big Boo from Orange is the New Black, which is just all sorts of weird considering Kate Mulgrew's role on that show.

http://wate.com/2015/09/15/star-tre...ith-exposing-herself-to-children-in-harriman/
 
Speaking of former Star Trek celebrities, Wheaton was mentioned on the first page of this thread. I heard he is also pretty much into social justice himself. I don't know if he'd qualify as a "lolcow" as I don't know much about what he's been up to nowadays.
 
ToroidalBoat said:
Speaking of former Star Trek celebrities, Wheaton was mentioned on the first page of this thread. I heard he is also pretty much into social justice himself. I don't know if he'd qualify as a "lolcow" as I don't know much about what he's been up to nowadays.
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He's mostly just consistently embarrassing on twitter and does a mediocre youtube show where he plays table top games with his friends and other minor nerd celebs like Felecia Day. He's at best a cringe-cow when he starts talking about tolerance and shit in his board game videos.
 
waffle said:
He's mostly just consistently embarrassing on twitter and does a mediocre youtube show where he plays table top games with his friends and other minor nerd celebs like Felecia Day. He's at best a cringe-cow when he starts talking about tolerance and shit in his board game videos.
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Much like Jake Lloyd, I more pity Wheaton than anything so I cut him a lot of slack. They were both fucked over really badly by beloved old fat guys who comparably had to shoulder nothing in comparison.

That said, Lloyd actually has serious issues with the schizophrenia and all. Wheaton's, unless I'm mistaken, just a mope.
 
Beltran was kind of a lolcow during the show too, considering he managed to sustain a temper tantrum for seven years (The actress he wanted to play Janeway was passed over).
 
*Asterisk* said:
Beltran complaining about anyone not deserving their role on Voyager is rich. He was less animated on that show than Plank from Ed, Edd, 'n Eddy.
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Considering that series was very poorly cast he was a stand out as a bad actor.
 
As bad as Beltran's behavior was, Garrett Wang's was apparently ten times worse. Not only was he every bit as whiny as Beltran, but he pretty often showed up to work late, drunk or both. In fact, his character was the one who was supposed to get killed off in favor of Seven of Nine, but then he placed well in some "World's Sexiest Men" list, causing Lien to get kicked out instead.

Apparently he then started badgering the producers and asking to direct an episode, and was shocked to be told "Dude, if you can't even show up to work on time, what the hell makes you think we're going to trust you enough to let you direct?"
 
Pinball Lizard said:
Found another one while browsing Cracked, Ward Churchill. I dunno if he really counts as a "celebrity" since he was actually a college professor, but he was definitely prominent in the news for a while. He got quite a bit of press in the early 2000s for publishing an essay where he argued that the victims of 9/11 deserved it, comparing them to the ordinary Germans who propped up the Nazi regime. That's not what ultimately did him in, though.

That was the fact that it came out he was pretending to be a Native American for 17 years. The University of Colorado, where he worked, already knew this, but they decided not to fire him because they had only hired him in the first place because he was "Native American" and that would've brought the hammer down on them as well. By the time the story broke he'd written more than a dozen books on Native American pride, and when he was finally fired he sued the University for discrimination and won a whopping one dollar.
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Was this the guy who consulted on Voyager so Chiplotle would spew bullshit "many moons ago, buffalo and elk rerouted the neutrino field"?
 
HarryHowler said:
As bad as Beltran's behavior was, Garrett Wang's was apparently ten times worse. Not only was he every bit as whiny as Beltran, but he pretty often showed up to work late, drunk or both. In fact, his character was the one who was supposed to get killed off in favor of Seven of Nine, but then he placed well in some "World's Sexiest Men" list, causing Lien to get kicked out instead.

Apparently he then started badgering the producers and asking to direct an episode, and was shocked to be told "Dude, if you can't even show up to work on time, what the hell makes you think we're going to trust you enough to let you direct?"
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His behavior was so bad that he is the only (to my knowledge) Trek actor to ever be denied a turn in the director's chair.
 
HarryHowler said:
As bad as Beltran's behavior was, Garrett Wang's was apparently ten times worse. Not only was he every bit as whiny as Beltran, but he pretty often showed up to work late, drunk or both. In fact, his character was the one who was supposed to get killed off in favor of Seven of Nine, but then he placed well in some "World's Sexiest Men" list, causing Lien to get kicked out instead.

Apparently he then started badgering the producers and asking to direct an episode, and was shocked to be told "Dude, if you can't even show up to work on time, what the hell makes you think we're going to trust you enough to let you direct?"
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Yea I read that on Memory Alpha, Wang was a real problem to work with apparently (an in my mind added little to the show as a character). The whole series was a cluster fuck in casting every one was either wooden, or disinterested in the roll they had and I am surprised it lasted as long as it did.
 
Ravenor said:
Yea I read that on Memory Alpha, Wang was a real problem to work with apparently (an in my mind added little to the show as a character). The whole series was a cluster fuck in casting every one was either wooden, or disinterested in the roll they had and I am surprised it lasted as long as it did.
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I attribute that almost entirely to Picardo and Jeri Ryan, and to a lesser extent Mulgrew. Berman and Braga then rewarded their viewers by hooking Seven of Nine up with fucking Chakotay in the last episode.

How the fuck did those two decay so much in ability? It's not like Lindelof, who's generally a good fantasy writer but a sub Parts: The Clonus Horror sci-fi writer. They spent years working on TNG and DS9, then they made Voyager and Enterprise and Generations.

Did they just get lucky? Was there a vital creative ingredient like Marcia Lucas that left around the time Generations was being written? Were all good ideas just from Ira Steven Behr?
 
Ravenor said:
The whole series was a cluster fuck in casting every one was either wooden, or disinterested in the roll they had and I am surprised it lasted as long as it did.
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In defence of the cast, any time a 'human' (ie anyone in a Starfleet uniform) tried show any emotion they were made to retake the scene with less emotion - I believe there was a scene where Kate Mulgrew shed a tear during a scene and was told 'Janeway wouldn't do that' and they had to reshoot. They wanted all the emotion to be used by the wacky aliens like Neelix.

Robert Beltran apparently did everything he could to get let go (such as demanding more money) without any success. And no one can blame him - as the series progressed the dumb native stuff he was given was phased out so he eventually spent most episodes pressing buttons and saying shields were down to 30%...
 
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