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Now that is about to end it's league phase my thoughts on the new champions league are mixed, but it's biggest problem for me is that teams with different schedules are put in the same table. In normal groups teams play with each other and are ranking against each other, but in the league phase you could play totally different teams and be put on the same table.



I think 4 groups of 9 teams with each team playing once against the other could be a good middle point. Or maybe i am crazy. What are your ideal champions league formats? Bringing back the old 32 teams in 8 groups of 4 of course
 
Now that is about to end it's league phase my thoughts on the new champions league are mixed, but it's biggest problem for me is that teams with different schedules are put in the same table. In normal groups teams play with each other and are ranking against each other, but in the league phase you could play totally different teams and be put on the same table.



I think 4 groups of 9 teams with each team playing once against the other could be a good middle point. Or maybe i am crazy. What are your ideal champions league formats? Bringing back the old 32 teams in 8 groups of 4 of course
Go back to actual "champions league" where it's just the champions of each league in a straight knockout. Will never happen because of money but that comp is pure trash now with how many games and how stupid and unfair the seeding process is, it is not normal!
 
Now that is about to end it's league phase my thoughts on the new champions league are mixed, but it's biggest problem for me is that teams with different schedules are put in the same table. In normal groups teams play with each other and are ranking against each other, but in the league phase you could play totally different teams and be put on the same table.



I think 4 groups of 9 teams with each team playing once against the other could be a good middle point. Or maybe i am crazy. What are your ideal champions league formats? Bringing back the old 32 teams in 8 groups of 4 of course
I want to bring back the groups of 4. It was the perfect amount of champions league games. The games should feel special and a bunch of these games didn't feel like they mattered because 24 teams advanced out of 36 and you already have teams like Slovan Bratislava, Sturm Graz, Red Star, Sparta Praha, and Young Boys who are never going to advance. so thats 5 of the 12 spots taken up. Then you have teams like Salzburg, Girona, Bologna, and Leipzig who fulfill the role of underperforming teams. So that leaves you with 3 teams to fill the relegation spots. And you have Shakhtar, Dinamo, City, Stuttgart, Brugge, Sporting, and Benfica competing for those final 3 spots.

Then you have knock out rounds where 16 teams are playing and 8 teams aren't playing. Its just too much Champions League games. The most amount of games in the Champions League you should play is 13 (6 group games, 7 knock out games) assuming instant group qualification. That gives teams 6 home games in the Champions League, which makes the entire Champions League special. With this format, you get 4 home games guaranteed if you qualify for the league phase, and if you win the first knock out stage, you already his 6 home games. Just ruins the product
 
What are your ideal champions league formats?

I might be biased bc I'm German but I honestly think that every tournament should be like the German DFB cup. It's the best system. Only one-legged knockout matches. No group stages. It's eat or die.

We should have a European champions tournament for only the actual national champions (plus runners up if they need to fill slots so the tournament can work) and one for all the national league cup winners (again, plus runners up if they need to fill slots).

Every team, no matter which tier, plays right from the start. No buy-ins in later round. You seed higher ranked teams versus lower ranked teams in the first rounds. Starting with the round of 18 no seeding, just random draws. Lower ranked teams always get to play at home. The final is on "neutral" ground. In Germany it's always the Olympiastadion in Berlin bc Berlin being our capital city and the Olympiastadion being the biggest stadtion there.

Everything else is just plain bullshit. It's either to rake in more money -usually for the bigger clubs- bc of more matches or it gives higher ranked teams more advantages. They dont need more advantages. Real Madrid already has every advantage against most teams bc it's fucking Real Madrid. There will be never a timeline where Real Madrid will face Young Boys Bern on equal terms. Stop pretending. But in a one-legged knockout match in Bern in the first round or the half final (doesn't matter) everything can happen. Yes, 9 out of 10 times Real will win. But this one time where they won't is what makes tournament so fucking great. When it happens nobody will ever forget.

See, when in the first round FC Bayern plays against the 8th tier team of FC Randomvillage then of course chances are 99,99999999999999999999% that Bayern will win like 8:0, 9:0, 10:0 or higher. But you'll get to see a nice little stadion filled to the brim which makes the lower ranked team a nice little profit just alone on ticket sales. The crowds are always on fire. The bigger teams bring in all their ultra groups while the lower ranked home team always has a hot crowd bc their fans are just enjoying the moment. And when this moment with a chance of 0,00000000000000001% will happen and the FC Randomvillage beats FC Bayern 1:0 it's history being made. I'm not fucking lying, you can ask any true football fan (not casual ones, no offense) about the FC Vestenbergsgreuth and DFB Cup and they will smile and tell you how this little of bumfuck nowhere once beat the allmighty FC Bayern 1:0 and how hilarious and epic it was. Here is a whole Wikipedia page listening all the matches with these sort of matches where amateur teams killed big teams. I swear to God the first to rounds of DFB cup every year are the best days of football - besides the last matchdays of the league if some decisions should still be open to be decided; where they weren't for most of the time the last 10 years or so.

Again, we should only have two European competitions. A true and honest champions league where only champions perform and an European cup for cup winners. No Euro League, no Conference League, no blown up Champions League. Only plain and simple win-or-lose tournaments for the best teams. Only then matches and wins really matter. I'll will always remember the FC Porto winning the Champions League more fondly than the nth win of Real Madrid. Seeing an underdog prevail will always be more fun than seeing the favourite move on because of it happening so rarely.

Ok, theoretically I'm open for a 3rd European competition. Let's call it the European International Cup and it's for the all the teams who rank like 2nd til 4th in a league or whatever. Because that way every national league has more important single rankings than just 1st and the last 2-3 ones which will get releagted. Like if you have 20 teams in a league that would only be 4 positions that matter. Being 10th or 11th never matters anyways bc why the fuck should it. But there should be some importance to be 2nd or 3rd after a season. Just come up with an even number and include every country fairley and let's go.

The current Champions League -and for the last decade- was not a European competition but a European top 5 nations cup. Well, top 4 with England, Spain, Germany and Italy bc nobody gives a fuck about France and outside of P$G no French team really matters anyways (sorry French kiwi bros). And it fucking sucks. It takes away from the European competition spirit. Just go and make your Superleague instead then.

I know we will never see these tournaments that I dream about tho but that's how I want to see them being organized.

Now that is about to end it's league phase my thoughts on the new champions league are mixed

Wanted to wait til the last matchday played out but fuck it.

I'm going to run with the arguments UEFA made for the new mode:

1. more teams = more participation for more nations
2. more teams = more matches = more money for every team
3. more excitement for the last matchday bc more rankings matter and not everything will already being decided on the 5th group stage day out of 6 group stages
4. the new seeding gives us more exciting matchdays bc big teams will face big teams at least twice

Lets look at these arguments and how they played out:

1. is already bullshit bc we have FIVE FUCKING GERMAN teams in the cup. And just look at the qualification process! Like what the fuck. It's a fucking mess. And where are all the new nations getting a shot? Yeah, right.
2. Ah yes, bc all the new shekels are going to be distributed fairely among the participating teams. Sure. And the sky is green and the sun is blue.
3. Personally this was UEFA's biggest selling point in my books. Because some people really seem to have forgotten that most of the decisions where actually already done on the 5th group stage day and only minor decisions where left for the last matchday which rendered the last matchday pretty uninteresting and useless. It happened more often over the last decade than not.

Now let's have a look at table before the upcoming last matchday of the new mode:
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The table on the Wikipedia page has this nice little feature with letters behind the teams and which options they have left.

- 12 teams will be eliminated at the end. 9 teams are already elminated so it's 3 spots left. Wow. So much decisions left. 3 spots. But that Man City and/or P$G might getting kicked out is fucking awesome.
- At the top only two teams, Liverpool and Barcelona, are actually already qualified for the next round and don't have to go to the extra round. Ok, cool.
- 16 teams, the blue teams, are playing for either moving on directly to next round, going to the extra round or being eliminated. 10 blue teams can actually still move on directly to the next round (starting with Aston Villa til Celtic). Plus Atalanta (7th) and Leverkusen (8th). That's not bad. There is some action left and could get really dramatic in the end. So one hand I'm kind of excited to see it being played out but on the other side there I don't actually feel the excitement and drama. Probably bc the consequence of losing on the last matchday for any of these teams will only be seen in a few weeks after the extra qualifying round is done and we see which teams got kicked out.

4. Mixed big bag here. Yes, we saw some big clashes between big teams but did it really matter? Like how much matters Barca's 4:1 win against FC Bayern? The only big team match that had some impact was P$G vs Man City on the last matchday bc it didn't end up in a draw but in an actual loss for one the two teams and put it in some not favourable position (Man City). But besides that?
There were some real cool matches tho on every matchday but yeah, that was to be expected and is nothing just bc of the new mode so no point taken by the UEFA here.

But let me sperg a little bit more about one point I haven't touched yet: more matches.

It's not just more matches, it's acutally more-more matches. Bc we got more teams participating not only in Champions League but also in Euro League and in Conference League. And in summer we are getting the club world cup - which got added more teams for more matches. And the next national team world cup got stocked up with teams.
I'm a Frankfurt Eintracht supporter, Frankfurt plays the Euro League, so naturally one day is resevered for watching Frankfurt matches.
My time is limited like everyone's else time. My day only has 24 hours and despite me being on the shelf for the last 3 months and probably the next 2-3 months more bc of an injury and op I had to undergo and thus being unable to work I still can't waste like 8 fucking hours a day or whatever just to watch football live and rewatch stuff and shit.
Nobody gives already a shit about the Conference League and now even less.

And the issue for the players of the top teams and top nations having match after match is obvious. Not going to touch on this point tho bc I'm already sperging way too much.

I ended up actually watching less matches. Because for 1. too many matches and 2. I'd have to throw money at more tv stations just to see them (Sky, DAZN and Amazon). Sure, pirating it is an option but as someone who is living in Germany I already have to throw 20 bucks every month at the public broadcasters of ARD and ZDF. If I don't I'll go to jail. It's not an option, it's a fucking must-buy. So I used their internet radio broadcast bc I already have to pay for it. No extra shekels from me, sorry not sorry UEFA, fuck you. And ngl it was way more fun bc you get the actual broadcast for the game with like 5 minutes before and 5 minutes after the match and literally no fucking ads in between. Fuck tv, I'm never going back.

I went with some optimism in the new CL mode. It's not completely killed yet but my tendency is more being against it. We will see after the extra qualification round.
 
Every reason they gave for changing the format is totally false. It makes the group/league stage games more pointless because now so few teams are knocked out and the games they play are seeded anyway just like the old group games except you don't get the fun of losing away and then smashing that same team at home later in the season.

Then you look at the next phase where EVERYTHING is hinged on a two leg playoff for almost every team bar 8. There's where it's unfair because if the teams in the top 8 get knocked out in the round of 16 then the team that didn't finish in the top 8 not only gets into the quarter final they also get more revenue from the playoff game the top 8 didn't get, giving them an unfair benefit.

Sure it's 2 more games but if you're a club with a lot of good player it literally is not a problem to finish 24th. There's so much shit in that full league that you could rest all of your players for every game bar 3 and still qualify. (Let's not forget they also made it 8 games for everyone too rather than the usual 6)

Man City have had a dreadful campaign but because of the way it's seeded can guarantee progression with a win.

Our expectations have been changed and people forget that the whole group thing is a totally new thing that was extra. Now we have an extra 8 games plus a knockout, truly insane. Not to forget we also have the extra few months of games for the Club World Cup (don't get me started how corrupt that whole thing is)
 
I know people bring up the idea of only having champions in a tournament but honestly, I don't like that idea. Man City, Real Madrid, Inter, Bayer Leverkusen, PSG, Sporting, PSV, Young Boys, Union Saint-Gilloise, Celtic, Midtjylland, Salzburg, and a bunch of other shitty teams competing for a trophy doesn't interest me in the slightest. Sporting and PSV would be exciting to watch in games where they could potentially upset a bigger team but Real Madrid playing Inter in the finals while the first rounds are just blow outs isn't interesting. It worked back in the day when the best players in the world stayed in their countries to play for the best teams but right now, the best team in Europe wouldn't be in the Champions League right now. Neither would the current 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th place teams in the Champions League. And of the teams that would qualify with the old system, they are currently 4th, 16th, 18th, 19th, 22nd, 23rd, 25th, and worse. I don't want too many teams in the competition but I want the best teams in the competition playing in games that matter and the groups of 4 had way more games that mattered than this current system
 
Of course it was The Sun that did the exclusive interview so he could get his final payday after being sacked. They do this a lot (they had Jay Slater's mum earlier) and they get paid for the exclusive by other websites because it generates traffic and sells papers. Dude could've said anything for a good headline and exaggerate about "hiding it because of the abuse" in the hopes he gets his job back or gets more media work.
 
Of course it was The Sun that did the exclusive interview so he could get his final payday after being sacked. They do this a lot (they had Jay Slater's mum earlier) and they get paid for the exclusive by other websites because it generates traffic and sells papers. Dude could've said anything for a good headline and exaggerate about "hiding it because of the abuse" in the hopes he gets his job back or gets more media work.
Bear in mind the sun did the original story that got him fired too. I absolutely believe they've got more on him they're using to drag him in to do articles with

Imo its a Schofield/Spacey situation, he's got something else he doesnt want coming out


Being on video saying you hate liverpool and then doing an interview with the sun is great hater work though
 
Champions League Official Parlay (10,000/1):
Aston Villa v Celtic
Barcelona v Atalanta
Girona
v Arsenal
Dinamo Zagreb v AC Milan
Brest v Real Madrid
Bayern Munich
v Slovan Bratislava
Salzburg
v Atletico Madrid
PSV Eindhoven v Liverpool
Man City v Club Brugge
Young Boys
v Red Star Belgrade
Sporting CP v Bologna
Lille v Feyenoord
Juventus v Benfica
Inter Milan v Monaco

I am a time traveller from the year 2075, this is my special treat to you on the last day of the new format.
 
The final matchday conference is going to be a clusterfuck unless 70% of the matches end goal-less lol
Looking forward to seeing the commentators descend into madness
 
That was wild. There was a window where PSG vs Stuttgart was 4:1 and Stuttgart was still moving on and City was out but oh well. And at one point Leverkusen, Dortmund and Bayern would have been among the first 8 teams but now it could be FC Bayern vs City in the extra qualification round. Then there was a moment where even Zagreb seemed to move on despite their horrible goal difference.
The fuck is Rotterdam doing? One week they beat Bayern's ass, next week they get their own ass handled by fucking Lille.

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Get fucked Red Bull.

The possible match-ups for the extra round:
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Real Madrid - Manchester City at Quarter final felt like they met early in the tournament last year and now they might be in the play off round against each other (32final)
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Yesterday during their Champions League match it got leaked that Niko Kovac will be new coach of Borussia Dortmund.

Which is kind of an "interesting" choice. We have a word in German, Stallgeruch, which translates literally to barn smell. Not sure how you say it in English but it basically means that you hire someone or put someone in a position in power who has a past with your enterprise. In football it's usually an ex-player of that club.

Dortmund's leadership at the moment consists of the current CEO of Sport and allegedly soon-to-be-president Lars Ricken (ex-player), director of football Sebastian Kehl (ex-player), technical director of squad planning Sven Mislintat (worked as analyst first there, then became their headscout in the mid-2000s; he is responsible for the signings of players like Mats Hummels, Robert Lewandowski, Dembele and others) and in a somewhat special position Matthias Sammer (ex-player) who works as an hired expert - while also working as an tv expert which lead to the hilarious situation that he was trashing Dortmund after their loss to Bologna on tv last week while being in their inner circle of power and influencing them. The rest of the power squad was not happy about it and thus they gave Sammer now an ultimatum to drop one of his two positions.

Before becoming their head coach Edin Terzic worked as scout and assistant coach in Dortmund's youth academy and was part of one of their ultra groups.
Nuri Sahin is an ex-player of Dortmund.

Now Niko Kovaic has actually no ties to Dortmund from his own past ... but his brother Robert Kovac has who also played for Dortmund once and who will be part of Kovac's coaching team. In fact he always is somehow a part of Niko's team.

So Dortmund once again ends up with someone of their own in a crucial postion. Something they talked about since the sacking of Sahin to not want to repeat again. They'll never learn.

An analysis of the last matchday and new CL mode from Sportschau:

"Champions League - old problems solved, new ones created"
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Which is kind of an "interesting" choice. We have a word in German, Stallgeruch, which translates literally to barn smell. Not sure how you say it in English but it basically means that you hire someone or put someone in a position in power who has a past with your enterprise. In football it's usually an ex-player of that club
I'm not sure there's an exact translation in English. The first thing that comes to mind is a line from Hamlet, "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." In more modern terms, you do see the nepo hires (short for nepotism, often seen as nepo babies for kids who get every advantage, like LeBron James's kid) in sport, but that's generally reserved for familial ties.

That all said, we have seen kind of similar things in US sport. A month ago in the NFL, there was concern about agents of General Managers influencing coaching hires (often with the same manager). As most sports teams in the US have a single owner, there's not much fans can do about it, although the league did step in to raise some guidance on it. Specifically this was concerning the Chicago Bears, whose inept owner family have done nothing to inspire the fan base for decades. (I'm a big proponent of relegation in US sport, but I doubt the billionaires would want to devalue their toys.)

Great word auf Deutsch, one I'll hold on to.
 
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