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I mean, there were at least 2 or 3 saves Courtois made that easily could've been goals:

-Mane's 1st half shot, that was saved and then went off the post
-That weird cross to Salah in the 2nd half, where Courtois had to run across the entire goal to save it with his leg
-Salah's shot in the 2nd half that went off Courtois' wrist.

Finals are rarely the most entertaining games. Neither team wants to take too many risks and leave themselves vulnerable. That being said, Liverpool had plenty of quality chances and Courtois won that game for Madrid. Klopp making it about his team's luck is just disrespectful to a great performance. The guy just needs to learn how to stfu and give credit where it's due. I hope the whiny bitch never wins a major trophy again.
Oh yeah. If he wanted to be salty but not come off like a bitch, he could have said something like, "We outplayed them all game but could not break down the best goalkeeper in the world" or something like that. Something that lets him be a little salty, acknowledge they were the better team (because for most of the game, they were), and still give props to Courtois. I still think he lost them the game because he didn't have enough balls to sit Luis Diaz and start Jota up front. WTF are you thinking putting Mane as a center forward. That works when teams play a high line and you can open up a spot down the middle with through balls along with the wings. Madrid just had to sit back and let Liverpool cross the ball in or go to the outside and have a shot from there. Sure they had some really good opportunities, but the amount of opportunities they created never came close to troubling them because there was no one down the middle who could have threatened that. Firmino would have probably been the first choice if he wasn't injured but Jota could have been there all game just linking up play, flicking balls through for Mane and Salah to come in from the flanks and run 1v1 with a center back at goal, and combined really well in the box with Salah and Mane. Instead you had Salah, Mane, and Diaz all trying to combine with each other but nobody wanting to get the easy layoff assist. Courtois' performance won this game and Klopp's tactics lost it.



Atlas won Liga MX’s Clausura last night beating Pachuca 3-2 on aggregate. They’ve won back to back titles after going over 70 years without winning a title. The radio communications with the refs stopped working, causing a delay to the start of the 2nd half of the return leg and VAR being unavailable for a portion of the match.
I would call foul play since it is the Mexican League but Cruz Azul, Club America, and Chivas weren't in the finals so this seems like its just piss poor management of the top league in Mexico. At least they can fight off allegations of favoritism, for a little while


Saint Etienne fans invaded the pitch after confirming their relegation to Ligue 2 by losing a penalty shootout, chaos erupts.

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Europe has a serious problem. I hope it keeps getting worse and these countries have to resort to the South American way of dealing with stadiums. Would love to watch a premier league match where the supporters are placed inside essentially a prison yard with barbed wired fences and police to keep them from invading the pitch like this
 
Europe has a serious problem. I hope it keeps getting worse and these countries have to resort to the South American way of dealing with stadiums. Would love to watch a premier league match where the supporters are placed inside essentially a prison yard with barbed wired fences and police to keep them from invading the pitch like this
The reeing would be glorious going on it would be reversing a ban on those sort of arrangements brought in after muh 96.
 
Do you guys have channels focused on gathering angry ramblings of footy fans?
Because lately, I've been getting great kicks out of listening to disappointed and often deranged fans of Brazilian teams complaining and crying after each round of the national championship. Hearing English fans must be a blast just as well.
 
Do you guys have channels focused on gathering angry ramblings of footy fans?
Because lately, I've been getting great kicks out of listening to disappointed and often deranged fans of Brazilian teams complaining and crying after each round of the national championship. Hearing English fans must be a blast just as well.
AFTV when Arsenal lose. Most of the big fan channels when their team loses will have angry fans sperging about this and that.

A lot of the Liga MX reaction fan channels will also have a lot of raging and swearing even if their teams win.
 
Europe has a serious problem. I hope it keeps getting worse and these countries have to resort to the South American way of dealing with stadiums. Would love to watch a premier league match where the supporters are placed inside essentially a prison yard with barbed wired fences and police to keep them from invading the pitch like this

Not sure if it's Europe in general and if it's still a serious issue.

I mean, it's true what @OJ Simpson said, there were a couple of incident this year in France. But I wouldn't overestimate it atm. The 2021/22 season still started in France with no fans in the statiums because Covid. Shortly after fans were allowed to attend again there was some action in Marseille -if I remember it correctly- but I would attribute it to barred emotions simply overcooking. Also there is a lot of going on in France because of all the Covid restrictions, rising unemployment, things become more expensive while wages and the whole economy is stagnating. France is cruially divided atm -like at lot of other countries too- and this always benefits violence. Football always has been, still is and probably will be forever linked to social issues.
Not trying to defend here what happens in French stadiums this year but the issue goes a lot deeper than just drunk fans or organized hooliganism.

And of course I can only really speak about Germany but here the age of football hooliganism is over.

Ticket prizes have risen a lot. Mostly because the clubs are trying to compensate their financial loses during the last two Covid years. Laws against football hooliganism have become very serious over the past decade or two decades. So these two factors alone have softend a lot because your traditional hooligan won't spent 50, 60 Euros on a ticket, go into a Big Brother stadium with all it's high tech cameras and even microphones everywhere just to storm the pit for a few minutes, get caught and sentenced to years of prison.
Most of our Bundesliga clubs have become very strict on sanctioning even silly banters and insults. They get you once and chances are very high that you will get banned from attending any future game for the rest of your life. There are so many ridiulous lolsiuts going on against fans for simply bantering the enemy team or some rich ass club owners.

And then there is the police of course. Every game that is considered to be a high risk game will have enough police forces in the stadium - and we are talking here about special units, not your average street cop. These guys are equipped pretty well and if they want to fuck you up they'll do it - and you can nothing do against it. Police brutality is a thing and not just left cry babies conspiracy theories. It's documented by enough normal non-violent fans, NGOs, Ultras, etc. Most of our police forces are pussies but not the ones who will be used during football games.
But speaking about police. German police uses three different categories for football fans:
- Category A are the normal fans, the non-violent ones, like families going to a match together with their kids.
- Category B are usually the Ultras or everyone who dares to be ready for self defence if he gets attacked which is a basic right in our constituation. You get physically attacked you are allowed to fight back and defend yourself by using physical force - but not when it's about football. Then you are considered to be a danger to society.
- Category C is everyone who attends a game and is ready to cause problems, basically your old school hooligan.
If you are considered to be a fan of category B or worse a category C police can restrict your basic civil rights like they can take away your passport so that you can't go abroad or they can force you to stay in contact with your local police station so that they know where you are. If you don't follow their orders you will face trial and probably face prison time. They are allowed to monitor your phone and internet profiles like you are a islamic terrorist. Your they can they say "Fuck it" and get you into custody directly during a game.

Also most of our traditional hooligan firms have kind of died or ceased to exist.
Hertha BSC had the "Herthafrösche" (Hertha frogs) - gone.
Dortmund had the "Borussenfront" - gone.
Schalkes hooligan groups - gone.
Eintracht Frankfurt hooligans - gone.
etc.

Either people have become too old and calmed down or have ran into too many legal troubles to continue. Or they have moved on to get more involved with (right) wing politics and cause troubles on political rallys. Like the Borussenfront which always was a very right winged group. A lot of their members Nazis and they formed a political party ("Die Rechte"/"The Right" in opposition to our party "Die Linke"/"The Left") after they formed a new hooligan group which got banned from attending any games.

Also a lot of clubs which have or had traditional hooligan firms have declined to lower divisions. In the beginning the hooliganism continued there but a lot of the groups got actually bored because their teams now face unknown and unimportant teams with no firms.
A lot of high risk games basically don't happened anymore because most of the teams play in different divisions. And if they clash once in a while, every 10 years or so, there is so much police forces that's is basically impossible to stir any noteworthy trouble.

Our most controversial events are now when fans light some flares during a game. Then everyone in the media goes apeshit for one or two days and that's it.
This year we had one incident during a match in Bochum where someone threw a half empty beer cup at a referee. The ref got hit, the game got cancelled and Bochum lost the game by DFB decision while they got fined a few thousand Euros. That's it.

I couldn't really recall hearing from any greater and serious incidents from Austria or from the Scandinavian countries or from Swiss. Or even from the Netherlands which still has some serious firms being active in Amsterdam or Rotterdam. Or from Italy. Or from Spain. Or from UK.

So basically I would say that the issue isn't that big and serious anymore. But of course it still may happened everywhere and I didn't catch the news.
 
Ticket prizes have risen a lot. Mostly because the clubs are trying to compensate their financial loses during the last two Covid years
As an English fan I'm enjoying the Schadenfreude of the average German football fan watching the Bundesliga strip away the things that made them unique and fun in real time. I witnessed German fans gloat that Arab Sheiks would never happen in German football because of the magical 51% rule, only for RB Leipzig to find a magic loophole around it (and given the historical teams that were exempt, it feels like a matter of time until it becomes optional). I witnessed German fans say that Bundesliga was the best value for money football in Europe only for ticket prices to end that. I witnessed German fans gloat about how the Bundesliga puts Germans and the German national team first and teams would never be overran with Ngobo's only to see less and less Germans in starting 11s as teams realise it's cheaper to find a Portuguese or French player when times are tight.

Basically as teams get crunched financially we'll start to see a lot of Premier League tier moves as stopgap measures that will quickly become the norm. Tickets aren't going down when all this is over, there used to be riots if teams upped season tickets a LITTLE too much and now the fans can't do shit because they've got the threat of their clubs going under if they don't follow this.

I'm honestly wondering how far it'll go. Will they straight up Anglicise the signage and commentary? Will shirts get filled to the brim with sponsorships from companies that don't even operate in Germany? Will we get Bundesliga NFTs? It's honestly pretty sad for German football (and honestly I'm pissed because I had mates who would book flights to Hamburg, get a hotel, watch a game, get a good nights sleep and fly back the next day for cheaper than it'd cost for a Premier League game + hotel) but this always felt like it was just around the corner, covid just gave everyone a really good opportunity to get around to it.
 
As an English fan I'm enjoying the Schadenfreude of the average German football fan watching the Bundesliga strip away the things that made them unique and fun in real time. I witnessed German fans gloat that Arab Sheiks would never happen in German football because of the magical 51% rule, only for RB Leipzig to find a magic loophole around it (and given the historical teams that were exempt, it feels like a matter of time until it becomes optional). I witnessed German fans say that Bundesliga was the best value for money football in Europe only for ticket prices to end that. I witnessed German fans gloat about how the Bundesliga puts Germans and the German national team first and teams would never be overran with Ngobo's only to see less and less Germans in starting 11s as teams realise it's cheaper to find a Portuguese or French player when times are tight.

Basically as teams get crunched financially we'll start to see a lot of Premier League tier moves as stopgap measures that will quickly become the norm. Tickets aren't going down when all this is over, there used to be riots if teams upped season tickets a LITTLE too much and now the fans can't do shit because they've got the threat of their clubs going under if they don't follow this.

I'm honestly wondering how far it'll go. Will they straight up Anglicise the signage and commentary? Will shirts get filled to the brim with sponsorships from companies that don't even operate in Germany? Will we get Bundesliga NFTs? It's honestly pretty sad for German football (and honestly I'm pissed because I had mates who would book flights to Hamburg, get a hotel, watch a game, get a good nights sleep and fly back the next day for cheaper than it'd cost for a Premier League game + hotel) but this always felt like it was just around the corner, covid just gave everyone a really good opportunity to get around to it.

I don't see how the 50+1 rule makes Bundesliga better than other nations leagues and for sure I absolutely don't see how the national team benefits from it. Because who ever claims this is just an idiot.

It's not like that I am very much against an investor owning a club but I side with the 50+1 rule. Both has it's pros and cons.

Basically the main aspect of the 50+1 rule is to prevent becoming a company or a single rich person or a country owner of a club. The success of the club shall be the main interest and not any financial interest of it's owner. And here is where a historical lecture would be important because of how clubs were deeply connected socially with it's neighbourhoods and everything when football started in Germany around 1900 (+/+ 15 years) where a lot of the clubs were founded.

Also I feel like my English skill isn't good enough to explain all the legal differences between a club and a club. But I'll try it: Usually all of our sports clubs are so called "eingetragene Vereine" which I would translate roughly to "registered club". A "Verein" (club) benefits from different things where the most important one has to do with taxes. Like a "Verein" doesn't really have to pay taxes which means a "Verein" could become very rich on it's own terms. A "Verein" is not meant to exist for profit but for all the social and human stuff. Like giving people a purpose. Or being simply a place to connect with others.
A regular capitalist company can't become a "Verein". BMW's interest is profit. McDonald's (if it would be a German company) interest is profit. But if you start a club for, I don't know, people who like to socialize and smoke cigarettes together then your main interest is not profit but the gathering itself.

RaBa Leipzig's interest is obvious: it's a marketing tool for the company Red Bull. End of story.
Unlike Bayer 04 Leverkusen or VFL Wolfsburg (the historical examples you mentioned). Both teams started out of their companies but where meant to offer the workers something to do outside their work times which is still linked to the company itself thus strengthen the link between the company and it's workers (very capitalistic approach but ok, I can accept it). Both companies had to support their teams financially for at least 20 years. This exception is meant to give companies a chance to pull up an own team which still would act like your usuall "Verein". Bayer and VW aren't allowed to put endless money into their teams. There are limits set. This is meant to keep up a balance between company teams and non-company teams.
And here is where it start's getting fishy because RaBa Leipzig pulled off a lot of financial tricks. Like the club owned the company several milliones of Euros, to be more exactly, the club owned money to the owner of Red Bull. But the owner of Red Bull decided to set up a document where he stated that he will disclaim the debt of the club and thus RaBa got debt free.

Bayer 04 Leverkusen is the only football club that is allowed to bear the name of it's company in the teams name because it was founded as "Bayer 04 Leverkusen" in the year 1904, long before the DFB took over football in the 1960s. That's why VFL Wolfsburg is still named VFL Wolfsburg and not VW Wolfsburg.
Again, RaBa Leipzig wanted to name their club "RB" for Red Bull Leipzig which is not permitted. So they came up with the word "Rasenballsport" which is a constructed word. And that's why people like me who don't like that club call them "RaBa" instead of "RB" haha

I don't know how many clubs in UK had negative experiences with investors as owners but we have quite a few clubs who got wrecked after a big investor starting pouring money into the club and then stopped doing so.

- 1860 München, once the biggest club in Munich, got wrecked. They still suffer from having an investor and struggle financially after the investor pulled out of the club.

- Bayer 05 Uerdingen is another one. It once was a club supportet by Bayer too, like Leverkusen. But the club declined and declined and at some point Bayer decided to stop supporting the club. The club got relegated to the 4th or 5th division, got a new investor, wen bankrupt, got a new investor, went bankrupt again and now somehow exists just by the support of it's fans. Which aren't many.

- This season we had in our 3rd divison the club Türkgücü Munich which had a single investor, a turkish-german guy. He supported the club for 2-3 years, put a lot of money into it and decided during the season that he doesn't want to invest anymore. The club couldn't pay it's players and got disbanned from the season. Which means all their games got negate. I think it was the club of Saarbrücken who won both it's games against Türkgücü and lost 6 points because of the whole situation which prevented the club from being relegated to a higher division.

That's only three examples that come to my mind instantly but there are way more.

But the cons are obvious: the financial gap between Premier League clubs and Bundesliga clubs has become huge. Enormous. Tremendous. Basically only FC Bayern Munich can compete with Premier League clubs.
That Bundesliga would be superior may have been at some time years or decades ago. But the success of English teams in the international competions speaks for itself. You have the financial back up you can buy the best players, end of story.
And Bundesliga will never close that financial gap. Only if the Premier League would crumble completely there would be a chance for Bundesliga. But I don't see how this will or can happen. Maybe England has to be nuked or some shit like that.

Sooner or later the 50+1 rule will fall or at least soften so much that the rule doesn't matter anymore. We have a lot of talking among fans and media and the clubs here how we have to stop the commercialisation of football but in the end of day everyone who is honest can see how all this talking is just bullshit. Everyone wants to be succesfull and win trophies.
The clubs shirts already are getting filled with sponsor. Like 20 years ago a club had it's main sponsor on the chest and that was it. Now there are companie logos on the sleeves, on the shorts, etc. The commercialisation is going on and it won't be stopped. Fans have to accept it and deal with it (as much as I don't like it). There are already plans to have the final games of our national cup in Saudi Arabia like they do in Primera Division in Spain.
 
Kurt Zouma is apparently going to be sentenced for his cat-kicking shenanigans today. Probably will be a ban on owning pets and a fine, maybe a suspended sentence/community service at worst. Regardless of the outcome brace yourself for yet more chimpouts from dindus.
 
Kurt Zouma is apparently going to be sentenced for his cat-kicking shenanigans today. Probably will be a ban on owning pets and a fine, maybe a suspended sentence/community service at worst. Regardless of the outcome brace yourself for yet more chimpouts from dindus.

>millionaire footballer kicks cat
>blacks most affected
 
Kurt Zouma is apparently going to be sentenced for his cat-kicking shenanigans today. Probably will be a ban on owning pets and a fine, maybe a suspended sentence/community service at worst. Regardless of the outcome brace yourself for yet more chimpouts from dindus.
1000% should be meowed at for the rest of his career


BBC reports Paul Pogba to leave Manchester United on a free transfer.
So where does he go? I doubt Real Madrid or Barcelona wants him anymore and Man City are already out. I don't see him going anywhere else in the premier league. Maybe Italy or PSG?
 
Yeah but how many times has heavily reported stories for transfer news ever turned out to be right?

It's either between Juve and PSG that's all I know. I go by what Fabrizio Romano reports, the ultimate tap in merchant. Pogba's agents are in discussions with both clubs and Juve are in round 2 of the negotiations and pushing for him.
 
It's either between Juve and PSG that's all I know. I go by what Fabrizio Romano reports, the ultimate tap in merchant. Pogba's agents are in discussions with both clubs and Juve are in round 2 of the negotiations and pushing for him.
I mean, Juve and PSG makes sense. But I have been through this song and dance every transfer window and the obvious choice/heavily reported choice isn't what usually comes from it. There is usually someone from a camp (usually the players camp) trying to leak a story to get a better bargaining position or to throw off another club from making a move. Basically, I will believe it when I see it
 
I really hope Scotland beat Ukraine today. From the perspective of a USA supporter I don't want us playing an energized Ukraine in our World Cup opener.
 
Gerard Pique is a stupid motherfucker.
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Well..surely Wales will beat Ukraine?
 
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