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The only reason this looks like shit is because Ingerland has a belief they should be doing better.

Well, England should have these aspirations. They had the most expensive squad and the squad has the quality to perform better. With being the birthland of modern football and hosting the most expensive league filled to the brim with quality players every fan has the right to ask for more than England delievered. At any time the English could have gotten kicked out.

Because in the end we talk about an English squad that only got 1 win and 2 draws out of their group matches. And in none of these threee matches England dominated their opponent. Both draws could have easily ended up in a loss for England so worst case would be a 3-point-England. By any standard this can't be enough. And it's even worse bc by any metric we nowadays have, all these fancy new statistic like passes per defensive action, xG and whatnot, England performed on Luton Town levels in the group stage. The English team did not only fail the so called eye test (how a team looks on the pitch, a very subjective metric, obviously) but they were in fact fucking dogshit. They were that much dogshit in the group stage that not only Austria scored three times the goals the English scored but that the Austrians had in one match more shots on target and chances created than the English team had in 3 group stage matches.

They beat a better Dutch team? No. The Dutch performed on a similar level in the group stage which means the Dutch were actually really bad. They improved their performance but only for the round of 16 match against Romania and truth is Romania was dogshit in this match by any metric available. So a better Dutch team played against a very bad opponent.
The Turks were on par with the Dutch.
The Dutch started good against England but after the English scored the equalizer they started bullying the Dutch completely. That was one half of a half where the English team showed what they were capable of doing if they just want to do it. Only the half time saved the Dutch from catching another goal. And then in the 2nd half only God knows why the English decided to not keep on bullying the Dutch. Only when Watkins and Palmer got on the pitch the English started doing better again. Same as against Spaín later. Watkins and Palmer got on the pitch and -boom- the English immediately scored the equalizer and kept on pressuring the Spanish team - until the English decided to go back to parking the bus again.

Everyone is talking highly of the Spanish team and yes, they were the best team. But they were not unbeatable. The English could have beaten them and the Germans could have beaten them too (Germany was the only team forcing the Spanish into overtime). The Spanish will only get beater from now on and are already world cup winner material.

But to be fair, Southgate really gets way to much shit. In fact, Southgate and the English team got that much shit that way to many people were overlooking the bad performances of Belgium, Portugal, the Dutch, Italy, Croatia and especially France. They all performed very poorly. And that's why this Euro Cup felt so underwhelming at times. Basically we only had two teams that showed a constantly good performance, namely Germany and Spain. One tier below we have Switzerland and then we have Austria. That's not some names getting thrown around when we talk about good performances on the pitch.
And in my personal opinion especially the French deserve way more flack for their shit. They were playing very defensive in the past tournaments and this year they showed up with an even more defensive team. Effectively they played with 8 fucking defensive player when they have enough quality offensive players. Fuck Deschamps. In 12 years of Deschamps the French only won 1 trophy in the end. They gave away 2nd with the final in Qatar. In fact back then the French only had their first shot on goal in the 70th minute. That's fucking horrible. Pretty sure that in a few years a lot of people will realize how underwhelmig Deschamps' French team actually was.

Southgate's English team is a team of ambivalence. His success, compared to former English teams, and his stats show this on one side. On the other side he lost two fucking finals in a row when the English could have won both of them. The Italians weren't that strong back then and the Spanish were beatable. Another issue is that Southgate's English team never beat any other nations ahead of the English, like the French, the Spanish and other teams. Because as much success Southgate had at tournaments as soon as the English faced a better team on paper they actually lost. The tournament brackets favored the English throughout Southgate's run too. To bea fair tho a favourable bracket is not something Southgate can influence but if you want to win trophies you have to beat the big dogs at some point (weird to call Croatia a big dog as they never won anything but back then they were ahead of the English; Germany 2020 was not a big dog, the state of our team in 2020 was bad, we barely made it out of the group stage). Something he simply never achieved during his run. But whoever is going to take over the English team now is stepping into some big shoes bc he will always be compared to Southgate and history will redeem national team coach Southgate.
 
French being butthurt at Argentina, again.



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Its also more subjective than that, in both Euro showings if the game management had been a bit more adventurous, maybe the team would have won. Especially against Italy (less so against Spain), the game was right there for the taking
They both were. Which is why Southgate has figured its his time to step down. He can't finish these spots. But he has managed to get them to this spot and show a blueprint for better coaches on how to get the best out of England squads.


Well, England should have these aspirations. They had the most expensive squad and the squad has the quality to perform better.
I have heard this multiple times over the past 25-30 years now and they have never done this well. These aspirations to do better are only possible because of Southgate. And now they have a chance to get a better manager with a blue print to do well.


Southgate's English team is a team of ambivalence. His success, compared to former English teams, and his stats show this on one side. On the other side he lost two fucking finals in a row when the English could have won both of them. The Italians weren't that strong back then and the Spanish were beatable. Another issue is that Southgate's English team never beat any other nations ahead of the English, like the French, the Spanish and other teams. Because as much success Southgate had at tournaments as soon as the English faced a better team on paper they actually lost. The tournament brackets favored the English throughout Southgate's run too. To bea fair tho a favourable bracket is not something Southgate can influence but if you want to win trophies you have to beat the big dogs at some point (weird to call Croatia a big dog as they never won anything but back then they were ahead of the English; Germany 2020 was not a big dog, the state of our team in 2020 was bad, we barely made it out of the group stage). Something he simply never achieved during his run. But whoever is going to take over the English team now is stepping into some big shoes bc he will always be compared to Southgate and history will redeem national team coach Southgate.
So the thing about England and beating these teams who aren't that good is that old English teams wouldn't have won these games. Its been like 6-8 years of Southgate, so people don't really remember what old English teams were like. You act like beating these teams that they should beat isn't a big deal but, 2016 they lost to Iceland in the round of 16 (got 5 points in the group stage too), 2014 world cup they finished dead last in a group with a weak Italy team, Uruguay, and Costa Rica (imagine England right now finishing dead last with a Concacaf team in their group). 2012 Euros they were knocked out in penalties by Italy after topping their group (France weren't a great side but then Ukraine and Sweden were in their as well). 2010 World Cup was the Germany fiasco in the round of 16 but they finished second in a group of the US, Slovenia, and Algeria. They didn't even qualify for the 2008 Euros. 2006 they lost on penalties to Portugal in the quarter finals. 2004 finished second in their group at the Euros and lost to Portugal again in penalties. So like, them beating teams they should beat and also winning penalty shoot outs now is something that just doesn't happen. Southgate isn't great but the bar has been so low that showing how to take a bunch of overvalued talent from different teams in the premier league (and now across europe) making them play together along with developing young talent in the FA (which should be common in most countries) is somehow one of the greatest accomplishments in England history
 
Southgate isn't great but the bar has been so low
I'm gonna say it.

Southgate jinxed the team with the kneeling.

To the point they kneeled against an African team, USA where BLM originated and Senegal. With no reciprocation. Other teams were there for business.

And it was a fucking knee that VAR declared Spain's winning goal to be onside.
 
But he has managed to get them to this spot and show a blueprint for better coaches on how to get the best out of England squads.
His brand of football is slow, boring, bland, dire, defensive, restrictive, I could go on. It’s not a blueprint for anyone I’m sorry. All he did was soften the players and bring gay shit into the locker room.
 
His brand of football is slow, boring, bland, dire, defensive, restrictive, I could go on. It’s not a blueprint for anyone I’m sorry. All he did was soften the players and bring gay shit into the locker room.
Thats not the blueprint I am talking about. Its the bringing players in that won't use the national team as a scouting opportunity. For about 10 years between the 2006 world cup and the 2016 euros, England had an issue where they would take players from top teams that couldn't play together and weren't great because anytime they brought a good player from a mid to lower premier league team, they would just ruin the team by showing what they could do in order to get themselves a transfer. Him leaving is to get someone in who will be weary of players looking to use the England squad to get a transfer while making players from the top clubs be able to play together
 
Thats not the blueprint I am talking about. Its the bringing players in that won't use the national team as a scouting opportunity. For about 10 years between the 2006 world cup and the 2016 euros, England had an issue where they would take players from top teams that couldn't play together and weren't great because anytime they brought a good player from a mid to lower premier league team, they would just ruin the team by showing what they could do in order to get themselves a transfer. Him leaving is to get someone in who will be weary of players looking to use the England squad to get a transfer while making players from the top clubs be able to play together
My bad, I was a couple of whiskeys down by that point. Carry on.
 
My bad, I was a couple of whiskeys down by that point. Carry on.
No worries. Its very hard to explain to people what Southgate was able to do. He basically took a nation that produced over priced players that always severely under achieved and brought them into a nation that just underachieves. He also brought English people some hope, which they haven't had since like 2010.

For the record, I don't think Southgate is a good manager in a football sense. If his next job is at club level, he will suffer greatly. The only reason he succeeded is because he took a team of talented players, got along well with them, and made them actually play for England instead of being a Manchester United/City/Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham/etc player in an England shirt. The team was talented enough to advance in tournaments despite playing sub optimal football. Deschamp kinda does a similar thing with France, but his France squads have been a little more talented. This hire for England has to be the right kind. You can't get a Tuchel, who creates beef with players on the squad. You need someone who can get along with everyone in the squad AND has creativity to get as many attacking players on the pitch that play attacking football without compromising the defense.
 
Toney has been completely absent from Brentford's pre-season plans. United, Chelsea or Spurs are his rumoured destination. Still think Liverpool should have put the money down for him over Núñez when they had the chance.
 
Toney has been completely absent from Brentford's pre-season plans. United, Chelsea or Spurs are his rumoured destination. Still think Liverpool should have put the money down for him over Núñez when they had the chance.
Man gets called up for the Euros, plays a small amount, and demands a move from Brentford
 
I remember I had talked about the US women's football team when they had their disaster at the Women's world cup. I think that post was in A&H. Anyways,
They seem to be much better now. The leafs are the ones who had a scandal this time.

Canada's men's and women's soccer teams have relied on drones and spying for years, sources say​

Later...
Breaking: Canada women's football manager Bev Priestman banned for a year by FIFA in Olympics drone spying scandal

Canada docked 6 points in Olympic women's football
:lol:
 
I remember I had talked about the US women's football team when they had their disaster at the Women's world cup. I think that post was in A&H. Anyways,
They seem to be much better now. The leafs are the ones who had a scandal this time.


Later...

:lol:
This would explain why Canada's soccer federations were out of money. Those drones are expensive
 
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