Game of Thrones Thread

Feline Supremacist said:
European royalty was/is notoriously inbred. Noble women, particularly one like Sansa, were expected to marry to make alliances and produce heirs. Cousin marriage is common if you look at their family trees. @Your Weird Fetish is right Littlefinger arranged their marriage and the Vale lords signed off on it.
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Books yes, plus littlefinger never intended for that marriage to happen I mean in the show everyone not targ or Jamie and Cersei seem to be anti.

Edit so we have one from the books at least. Probably the closest we are gonna get.
 
so does anyone see here parallel between Bran and Leto, god emperor of Dune?

If Bran can go in the future and see all possible outcomes on the tree of time, i.e. prescience, you can't really assassinate him and he could make optimal decisions for the world, perhaps something akin to the Golden Path.

The other thing, in parallel to Dune, Leto grew into a worm, just like Bran/raven grows into the tree, stays alive for centuries, much like the god emperor of dune.

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Also, if Bran could really go far into the future, I can totally see just sitting on PornHub for hours. Fuck that unwashed medieval shit.
 
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gobbogobb said:
I think Robyn Arryn might be a tick too incestuous for the northmen. First cousins and all.
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it would make sansa to powerfull, controlling 2 of 7 kingdoms and beeing next in line for another one.
 
Feline Supremacist said:
Sansa starts the War of the Five Kings by begging Ned to plead guilty so she can be Jeffrey's wife how does she come out not only relatively unscathed but a fucking Queen? Get real, some spergy Northern Lord would have stabbed her to death in a drunken rage long ago because da Norf remembers or something something.
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First, the northern lords don't know that; it happened in king's landing with all the other northerners killed.

Second, the war was started by Catelyn taking Tyrion prisoner. It would have been impossible for Lannisters not to retaliate. Eddard says it was at his command to protect his wife.

Third, why the fuck was she called "the smartest person I know" or "smartest girl I know" a couple of episodes back? She has been an air-headed bimbo for most of the show ("I don't want to marry someone smart and brave, I want Joffrey!") and even after her supposed transformation the intelligence of her moves have been a liability (didn't tell jon about the Vale support, only outsmarted Littlefinger because he suddenly had a plotbotomy, supposedly could see through Dany, but then her actions, just telling Tyrion, mostly depended on others doing the thinking for her).

Considering there are 1 or 2 stark male claimants, it seems far more likely for either of them being put on the throne. I can only conclude that she's on the throne because of muh feminism in both writers, and GRRM. Yes, I think he would do something like this too. But perhaps we'll actually experience her elusive intelligence in the books he's never going to finish.
 
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Santa was another casualty of the abbreviated season. I would be willing to bet good money given a few more episodes you would see her earn the crown, assuming competence in the writing staff, who tbh did a decent job with what they had to work with this season (dick all)
 
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Oh shit I just realized in the very end of the series they give him mother fucking future sight, after explicitly stating he can see the past and present only
 
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Lemmingwise said:
First, the northern lords don't know that; it happened in king's landing with all the other northerners killed.

Second, the war was started by Catelyn taking Tyrion prisoner. It would have been impossible for Lannisters not to retaliate. Eddard says it was at his command to protect his wife.

Third, why the fuck was she called "the smartest person I know" or "smartest girl I know" a couple of episodes back? She has been an air-headed bimbo for most of the show ("I don't want to marry someone smart and brave, I want Joffrey!") and even after her supposed transformation the intelligence of her moves have been a liability (didn't tell jon about the Vale support, only outsmarted Littlefinger because he suddenly had a plotbotomy, supposedly could see through Dany, but then her actions, just telling Tyrion, mostly depended on others doing the thinking for her).

Considering there are 1 or 2 stark male claimants, it seems far more likely for either of them being put on the throne. I can only conclude that she's on the throne because of muh feminism in both writers, and GRRM. Yes, I think he would do something like this too. But perhaps we'll actually experience her elusive intelligence in the books he's never going to finish.
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Sansa's never really done anything outstanding or clever to earn any of this, nor does she have the best claim for Winterfell, let alone the entire North.
The most one could say about her is that she withstood a lot of hardship.
So, I guess that's where we're at: She "earned" this happy ending as compensation for being oppressed.
 
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Lemmingwise said:
First, the northern lords don't know that; it happened in king's landing with all the other northerners killed.

Second, the war was started by Catelyn taking Tyrion prisoner. It would have been impossible for Lannisters not to retaliate. Eddard says it was at his command to protect his wife.

Third, why the fuck was she called "the smartest person I know" or "smartest girl I know" a couple of episodes back? She has been an air-headed bimbo for most of the show ("I don't want to marry someone smart and brave, I want Joffrey!") and even after her supposed transformation the intelligence of her moves have been a liability (didn't tell jon about the Vale support, only outsmarted Littlefinger because he suddenly had a plotbotomy, supposedly could see through Dany, but then her actions, just telling Tyrion, mostly depended on others doing the thinking for her).

Considering there are 1 or 2 stark male claimants, it seems far more likely for either of them being put on the throne. I can only conclude that she's on the throne because of muh feminism in both writers, and GRRM. Yes, I think he would do something like this too. But perhaps we'll actually experience her elusive intelligence in the books he's never going to finish.
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You're right about it not being common knowledge but Arya knows, the Maester knows, Littlefinger knew. Sansa isn't the only one who can't keep a secret though. I also forgot about Catelyn, she was absolutely useless. But Sansa gets the ball rolling even if it isn't well-known, her reaction to Arya calling her out makes it obvious that she was out to be Queen even at the expense of Ned..
 
MelloYello said:
Sansa's never really done anything outstanding or clever to earn any of this, nor does she have the best claim for Winterfell, let alone the entire North.
The most one could say about her is that she withstood a lot of hardship.
So, I guess that's where we're at: She "earned" this happy ending as compensation for being oppressed.
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Robb and Rickon are dead, Bran gave it up voluntarily, and Jon is exiled and not actually Ned Stark's son, so actually she does have the best claim left

Also they at least attempted to show that the Northern lords do respect her, they basically wanted to replace Jon with her the minute he left in Season 7
 
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MelloYello said:
Sansa's never really done anything outstanding or clever to earn any of this, nor does she have the best claim for Winterfell, let alone the entire North.
The most one could say about her is that she withstood a lot of hardship.
So, I guess that's where we're at: She "earned" this happy ending as compensation for being oppressed.
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Don't be a sexist, bro, it was her turn.

Feline Supremacist said:
You're right about it not being common knowledge but Arya knows, the Maester knows, Littlefinger knew. Sansa isn't the only one who can't keep a secret though. I also forgot about Catelyn, she was absolutely useless. But Sansa gets the ball rolling even if it isn't well-known, her reaction to Arya calling her out makes it obvious that she was out to be Queen even at the expense of Ned..
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I mean, sure she was manipulated, but Ned taking the black wasn't really a betrayal. Nobody saw his death coming. And they didn't really need Sansa in the first place; sure it helped diplomatically, but he was convinced to take the black by varys if I recall, not Sansa.
 
MelloYello said:
Only by virtue of contrived plot convenience, aka Bran being unfit to be Lord of Winterfell, but somehow fit to be king.
Though, to be fair, that may be the least stupid aspect of the whole "King Bran" conclusion...
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He's only unfit to be Lord of winterfell because he's the king of the other 6 kingdoms and the whole the north won't kneel bullshit
 
Lemmingwise said:
Don't be a sexist, bro, it was her turn.



I mean, sure she was manipulated, but Ned taking the black wasn't really a betrayal. Nobody saw his death coming. And they didn't really need Sansa in the first place; sure it helped diplomatically, but he was convinced to take the black by varys if I recall, not Sansa.
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OK I felt that way about her too but S7-S8 Sansa is a mega bitch and that whole scene where she's parading around like Queen is nauseating-even Jon looked disgusted with her when they said goodbye compared to Arya and Bran.
 
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Sansa's storyline should have ended with her bitchslapping some Joffrey looking kid a la season 1 Tyrion, or having a choice between some noble kid and a dirty peasant and choosing to bang the peasant because he was actually kind and gallant, to show that she's matured and no longer taken in my traditional ideals of right and wrong as they equate to nobility and personality.

There's nothing about her survival of abuse that suggests she should be Queen. I get that with everyone else gone, she's the default leader, it's just not a fitting end to her character arc really since it has nothing to do with her starting position or overall journey.

I'm also somewhat confused about this idea that North wouldn't bend the knee again. I get that it was done to make their constant fight for independence feel like it was more than just a convenient excuse to get Jon where he needed to be, but I would have thought that if there was ever a Lord of the Seven Kingdoms that they'd bow to it'd be a Stark. Of all the ridiculous reasons Bran was made king, the one that made sense was they he might actually be able to keep the North in the fold, because the Northmen would respect a Stark on the throne.
 
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gobbogobb said:
He's only unfit to be Lord of winterfell because he's the king of the other 6 kingdoms and the whole the north won't kneel bullshit
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That and plus most of Winterfell isn't wheelchair accessible, which is why they mostly kept him out in the courtyard and on special occasions bring him into the hall. True story.
 
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дядя Боря said:
so does anyone see here parallel between Bran and Leto, god emperor of Dune?

If Bran can go in the future and see all possible outcomes on the tree of time, i.e. prescience, you can't really assassinate him and he could make optimal decisions for the world, perhaps something akin to the Golden Path.

The other thing, in parallel to Dune, Leto grew into a worm, just like Bran/raven grows into the tree, stays alive for centuries, much like the god emperor of dune.
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Bran as a benevolent eternal tree dictator guiding events to prevent the Night King from returning would be a really interesting epilogue. Too bad the implications of him being the three-eyed raven were mostly forgotten by D&D.
 
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