Game of Thrones Thread

To be fair, D&D just kinda forgot the political implications of all this. I mean it's not like the show was ever about politics and intrigue, right? Just tits and dragons and zombies and dick jokes.
Yeah, even worse after blowing up the Sept of Balor, a shitton of courtiers, members of higher and lesser nobility, a shitton of religious people and a large chunk of the city alongside a couple hundred (if not thousands of) peasants, pretty much everyone would have declared war on Cersei immediately. And this would not even have mattered, since Cersei would have been found dead the next morning, strangled by her chambermaid before any army would even start knocking on the city gates (which would let them through without a hitch, since even the city guard will be pissed enough to stop being loyal).

The entire season 7 just glossed over the political ramifications of nuking an entire district of the city, cause Dumb&Dumber simply had no clue what they were doing without a roadmap painstakingly laid down by GRRM for them.
 
Also, I haven't watched anything except the season 8 garbage fire but I did read the books, did anything happen with the Dorne plot at all? Just itty bitty sand snake tittty's?

Let's see:
Oberon's sidepiece kills Tristan and Doran Martell.
She, along with the Sand Snakes, take over Dorne.
Varys convinces them to join Dany's cause after Cersei blows up the Sept.
They are immediately defeated by Euron Greyjoy.
Whip girl gets choked to death by her own whip. (lol)
Euron grabs stick girl's stick and impales her with it. (lol)
Ellaria and Tyene are captured and chained in the Black Cells. Tyene is poisoned and Ellaria gets to watch her die and decompose.
Ellaria is never heard from again.
*fuzzy*
THE PRINCE OF DORNE APPEARS!
Prince of Dorne declares for Dany.
Dany dies.
Prince of Dorne is at the Grand Council.

That's it.
 
I saw stills from a supposedly deleted post-credit scene of Danaerys battered corpse opening her eyes, shining blue.
WHAT A TWIST

He was a bigger threat and obstacle for everyone, than the Night King.
Then again, that's also true for literally anyone else with more than 5 soldiers in his army.
I think that's probably because he's meant to be an endgame antagonist in the books but D&D didn't know how to make that work with just a vague outline like @RadicalCentrist says. So he just teleports all over the place killing people and generating terrible one liners.
 
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Yeah, even worse after blowing up the Sept of Balor, a shitton of courtiers, members of higher and lesser nobility, a shitton of religious people and a large chunk of the city alongside a couple hundred (if not thousands of) peasants, pretty much everyone would have declared war on Cersei immediately. And this would not even have mattered, since Cersei would have been found dead the next morning, strangled by her chambermaid before any army would even start knocking on the city gates (which would let them through without a hitch, since even the city guard will be pissed enough to stop being loyal).

Was there anything tying Cersei to the explosion? From what I understood she needed Qyburn plugging into Varys' abandoned (?) information network to even learn the explosives cache existed.
 
Was there anything tying Cersei to the explosion? From what I understood she needed Qyburn plugging into Varys' abandoned (?) information network to even learn the explosives cache existed.

I think the fact that it just happened to take place in the middle of her trial, which she had failed to appear at, and also just happened to wipe out every single rival and enemy of hers who was still in King's Landing, would be all the "tying" anyone needed.
 
I think the fact that it just happened to take place in the middle of her trial, which she had failed to appear at, and also just happened to wipe out every single rival and enemy of hers who was still in King's Landing, would be all the "tying" anyone needed.
Additionally to that: There's spies in King's Landing everywhere. Cersei lost her spider, but many others most likely didn't.
Even without them, It would not be hard to figure out, who did it. After all, the Queen of Thorns knew it, too.
 
The knowledge Cersei blew up the Pope, Vatican, the Queen, her family, other nobles and courtiers and that there's a Targaryen lying in wait at Dragonstone with the remainder of Greyjoys, Highgarden and Dorne as well as a loyal khalasar, the King of the Norf and THREE DRAGONS would attract an avalanche of camp followers, adventurers, disgruntled soldiers and peasants ready for some payback and would require an imminent strike on KL out of sheer necessity (or else they'd run out of food and bored soldiers do crazy things).

Service during war is one of the few ways peasants had to achieve upward social mobility so the Seven kingdoms would be a mess for sure.
 
Hang on, someone sort me out on this: as I understand it, there were caches of the glowy green splodey stuff that blew up the Fantasy Vatican all around the city, because the crazy old king had stashed them there or something.
You know, you want a subversion, how about having Dany level the city she's trying to take because she set it on fire when there's massive quantities of high explosives underneath it? It would actually be funny as hell if you played it right.



Does it count as a complete arc when you basically just drop dead for no reason other than the writers don't have anything more for you to do?

It would have been a much more iconic ending that Dany after destroying everything she'd ever set out to own, melting the iron throne, destroying Kings Landing and the seat of royal power, was killed in a Julius Caesar sort of way with every member of the council twisting in the knife, because of the mad queen.

Though to make that work you'd have to essentially scrap part of season 8 & all of 9, rewrite it and rework it.


These two are in the show, though. In the books, the Gravedigger lives with some group of religious people, as does Clegane in the show, only I don't think we see him dig graves.
When Zombie Clegane is introduced to Cersei after her walk of shame, he is called Robert Strong by Qyburn.


A theory I like is that the Braavosi prostitute known as the Sailor's Wife is Tysha, the peasant girl that Tyrion married.

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Anyway, since I haven't watched the last few episodes and only have a few infos:
The Wildlings went back behind the wall and Jon is send back to Castle Black . . . Why aren't the Wildlings staying in the North and what exactly is Jon going to do at the Nightswatch now?
They literally have no reason to exist any longer. Arya stabbed the Night Cuck, there won't be any threat beyond the wall.

Are there any explanations for this garbage?

In reference to your edit. It's more of a lore thing that is not explored in the series due to lack of time and relevance to the greater story. IIRC before the Wildlings started descending down from the fist of the first men and started fighting the children of the forest. (Elves.) The area of the north wasn't the cold barren wasteland that it is in the books, closer to a Siberia style eco system with cold winters and hot fertile summer.

The reason for the long winters and the creation of the wall, was because the children of the forest created the white walkers to kill the humans, and were wiped out in the process. They were the ones that built the ice wall, subdued the white walker threat and then the human societies inherited it and started the nights watch as a means to keep the white walkers out.

What changed was that over the period of time and inactivity the narrative changed, and it became a way to protect the wall and the North from the Wildlings who now forced to live in near Artic conditions became a major source for conflict. Emptying out the area, known as the gift of most of it's people. (Hence the reason it's given to the Night Watch to be used as fallow land.)

Even though the Night King is dead and the threat removed as well as a return to better seasonal weather. I don't think the Night Watch in terms of political usefulness are no longer needed, as they are still administrating the area around the gift and still acting as a barrier between the civilized kingdoms and the Wildlings. (The series didn't ever seem to address beyond brief mentions, the fact that the Wildlings are something like 12 to 15 tribal groups of peoples who hate each other. The fact Mance Raider was able to unify them as a political threat, was only because of the pressures put on them by the White Walkers.)

John ends up being a weird sort of outcast character which suits his arc. (In a dances with wolves kind of way, he can't go back to being with civilized people. Just like how Mance Raider was a Nightswatch and spurned it to be with the Wildlings, John's interacted too much with the Wildlings and aside from Tormund, is essentially the defacto leader.)
 
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It would have been a much more iconic ending that Dany after destroying everything she'd ever set out to own, melting the iron throne, destroying Kings Landing and the seat of royal power, was killed in a Julius Caesar sort of way with every member of the council twisting in the knife, because of the mad queen.

Though to make that work you'd have to essentially scrap part of season 8 & all of 9, rewrite it and rework it.




In reference to your edit. It's more of a lore thing that is not explored in the series due to lack of time and relevance to the greater story. IIRC before the Wildlings started descending down from the fist of the first men and started fighting the children of the forest. (Elves.) The area of the north wasn't the cold barren wasteland that it is in the books, closer to a Siberia style eco system with cold winters and hot fertile summer.

The reason for the long winters and the creation of the wall, was because the children of the forest created the white walkers to kill the humans, and were wiped out in the process. They were the ones that built the ice wall, subdued the white walker threat and then the human societies inherited it and started the nights watch as a means to keep the white walkers out.

What changed was that over the period of time and inactivity the narrative changed, and it became a way to protect the wall and the North from the Wildlings who now forced to live in near Artic conditions became a major source for conflict. Emptying out the area, known as the gift of most of it's people. (Hence the reason it's given to the Night Watch to be used as fallow land.)

Even though the Night King is dead and the threat removed as well as a return to better seasonal weather. I don't think the Night Watch in terms of political usefulness are no longer needed, as they are still administrating the area around the gift and still acting as a barrier between the civilized kingdoms and the Wildlings. (The series didn't ever seem to address beyond brief mentions, the fact that the Wildlings are something like 12 to 15 tribal groups of peoples who hate each other. The fact Mance Raider was able to unify them as a political threat, was only because of the pressures put on them by the White Walkers.)

John ends up being a weird sort of outcast character which suits his arc. (In a dances with wolves kind of way, he can't go back to being with civilized people. Just like how Mance Raider was a Nightswatch and spurned it to be with the Wildlings, John's interacted too much with the Wildlings and aside from Tormund, is essentially the defacto leader.)
If the children did all that, then why did they just hang out in the cave forever until Bran came by? Is he part of their revenge?
 
If the children did all that, then why did they just hang out in the cave forever until Bran came by? Is he part of their revenge?

As far as the story goes, and it's been a while since I've read the books. I think the remnants that are with Bran are literally the last 8 or 9 of them that surrounded themselves around the Greenseer.

There is some weird magic that surrounds the cave that they maintain, which keeps the white walkers out, but ironically seals them in. There hasn't been much explanation past that point, and the series dropped the Bran/warg story line after the last of them get eliminated rescuing him once he becomes the new Greenseer.

As for the books, Bran is still in the cave IIRC, so likely GRRM will give more info on the actual history, when he gets around to actually writing the books. 🌈🌈🌈
 
As far as the story goes, and it's been a while since I've read the books. I think the remnants that are with Bran are literally the last 8 or 9 of them that surrounded themselves around the Greenseer.

There is some weird magic that surrounds the cave that they maintain, which keeps the white walkers out, but ironically seals them in. There hasn't been much explanation past that point, and the series dropped the Bran/warg story line after the last of them get eliminated rescuing him once he becomes the new Greenseer.

As for the books, Bran is still in the cave IIRC, so likely GRRM will give more info on the actual history, when he gets around to actually writing the books. 🌈🌈🌈
Are you getting the white walkers origin stuff from one of the supplement books GRRM shits out instead of continuing Dany's Diarrhea Diatribe?
 
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