Game of Thrones Thread

I always figured it was one of those floating swamp castles like the ancient Celts used to build, just a bit more fantasy in scope. It might not even move, it's just that the Neck is such a confusing morass of a swamp that no one can remember the exact location except the Crannogmen.
I tried searching for "celtic swamp castle" and didn't really get anything you're describing, it sounds interesting though, can ya help a brotha out?
 
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I tried searching for "celtic swamp castle" and didn't really get anything you're describing, it sounds interesting though, can ya help a brotha out?
Because there is no such thing as "floating swamp castles". Malbork, the largest Medieval castle in the world, is built upon a swamp. In order for it to not immediately start sinking, the builders had to place the foundations upon hundreds of pillars made out of massive, ancient oaks, since those don't rot in contact with water and moisture - quite the opposite, they become harder. It's currently calculated that those pillars are worth many times more in monetary value than the castle itself. So no, Greywater Watch is not some reference to something realistic, or even semi-serious. It is, quite literally, "Howland's Floating Castle", a thing of pure magic and fantasy.

And I must disagree, the books are not ambiguous about the nature of magic. Among clearly fantastical elements we have: flaming swords and similar manipulations of flame; enchanting weapons; resurrections; telepathy and telekinesis; dragons who can actually fly and breathe fire; prophecies; warging (and wargs themselves); necromancy; the undead; fae; giants; glamours and other illusions; shapechanging; summoning and communicating with otherworldly entities; astral projection). And those are only examples I can recall immediately, without delving into the books in any detail. I'm sorry, but that series has lost any claims to being "low fantasy" a long, long time ago.

As an aside, that term is most often used erroneously. "Low fantasy" simply means a place where magic is not a "natural", innate part of the world, with its own rules and laws; it's an intruder, in other words. The opposite is "high fantasy". Those terms have nothing to do with "how much magic is there", so I'm using it here as a shorthand.
 
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I don't get it. Who actually wants this prequel? It's not they managed to end the series on a note that left people clamouring for more.

Am I missing something here?
Consoomers.

Although watching this show would put anyone below consoomer category .

Consoomer culture has made people lost all dignity. If a restaurant insults you and your family, you wouldn't go back. Yet, you have people knowing many people involved in the stuff they like openly hate them. Disney's execs hate average fans and fans absolutely hated the sequels, yet they all willingly and devotedly watched The Mandalorian.
 
I don't get it. Who actually wants this prequel? It's not they managed to end the series on a note that left people clamouring for more.

Am I missing something here?

People who have made watching GoT a part of their personality.
 
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Imagine having high hopes for this crap.
Biggest laugh has to be Emma D'Arcy the butterface playing Rhaenyra Targaryan who is supposed to be a thick woman with a pretty face
 
The only one who truly wants this series to happen is Mr. Martin himself, since House Targaryen seems to be the only element of his setting he is truly in love with, similarly to David Lynch and Laura Palmer, or Dave Filoni and Ahsoka Tano. Notice that all the other planned series are either dead in the water or in production hell whilst, from what I've read, Mr. Martin is quite absorbed by working on this product.
 
I speculate that one of the main draws is going to be Balerion the Black Dread.

This guy does a fairly interesting analysis on how large it must have been:


Seeing as "Monke vs Nuclear Lizard" movie did fairly well, I imagine that they'll try to cash in on the "bigass monster", "check out this giant flying lizard burninating the countryside" craze while they can... but I trust HBO to fuck up Balerion's size and scale consistency.
 
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We can expect the prequel to be astroturfed as fuck with plenty of articles about "how the new prequel absolves the series because feminism" or some shit.

Because there is no such thing as "floating swamp castles". Malbork, the largest Medieval castle in the world, is built upon a swamp. In order for it to not immediately start sinking, the builders had to place the foundations upon hundreds of pillars made out of massive, ancient oaks, since those don't rot in contact with water and moisture - quite the opposite, they become harder. It's currently calculated that those pillars are worth many times more in monetary value than the castle itself. So no, Greywater Watch is not some reference to something realistic, or even semi-serious. It is, quite literally, "Howland's Floating Castle", a thing of pure magic and fantasy.

And I must disagree, the books are not ambiguous about the nature of magic. Among clearly fantastical elements we have: flaming swords and similar manipulations of flame; enchanting weapons; resurrections; telepathy and telekinesis; dragons who can actually fly and breathe fire; prophecies; warging (and wargs themselves); necromancy; the undead; fae; giants; glamours and other illusions; shapechanging. And those are only examples I can recall immediately, without delving into the books in any detail. I'm sorry, but that series has lost any claims to being "low fantasy" a long, long time ago.

As an aside, that term is most often used erroneously. "Low fantasy" simply means a place where magic is not a "natural", innate part of the world, with its own rules and laws; it's an intruder, in other words. The opposite is "high fantasy". Those terms have nothing to do with "how much magic is there", so I'm using it here as a shorthand.
I agree with it and even further, at least one of the most massive events in the beginning of the series, the shadow assassin Mellisandra birthed, is purely magical and without it the whole series would have been different. It can't even be explained of getting out of a plot hole or doing some minor task, it's just magic for convenience to get the plot from A and B.
 
I misremembered, it wasn't ancient Celts, but neolithic cultures in the Alps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_pile_dwellings_around_the_Alps
The general gist is they would build these piers into the water and live out there because it was easier to defend.
Only Greywater Watch is a proper castle, friend, so those are two completely different entities in terms of mass, materiel used, construction methods... everything, in essence. Not to mention the castle itself is placed upon a floating island... which, given the added mass, would immediately start to sink had not some mystical forces be at play. And Howland Reed is a person who displayed supernatural abilities, green dreams being just one of them.
 
Only Greywater Watch is a proper castle, friend, so those are two completely different entities in terms of mass, materiel used, construction methods... everything, in essence. Not to mention the castle itself is placed upon a floating island... which, given the added mass, would immediately start to sink had not some mystical forces be at play. And Howland Reed is a person who displayed supernatural abilities, green dreams being just one of them.
Was it ever said that it was built in stone? The term castle can refer to any fortified structure. It could very well be a timber fort.
 
You were so close, friend. Just one more Wikipedia search. And it would fit much more any notions of how a "realistic" Greywater Watch would look like, since House Reed's war tactics are very similar to Early Medieval Slavs.

Well at least we've established that there are several types of timber fortifications, and that they could be referred to as castles, especially in locations where stone fortifications would be rare or an impossibility. So unless the books refer to it as a stone keep, then it likely was a wooden fortification
 
Well at least we've established that there are several types of timber fortifications, and that they could be referred to as castles, especially in locations where stone fortifications would be rare or an impossibility. So unless the books refer to it as a stone keep, then it likely was a wooden fortification
Is there even a single explicitly wooden castle within any of Mr. Martin's novels or books set within that setting? The man is very fond of describing fortifications, and they are always - always - stone.

Even disregarding that, castles don't swim around.
 
Is there even a single explicitly wooden castle within any of Mr. Martin's novels or books set within that setting? The man is very fond of describing fortifications, and they are always - always - stone.

Even disregarding that, castles don't swim around.
Well most castles would eventually be built in stone as masonry further developed throughout the medieval period. Just because most of the castles in the book are of stone doesn't mean Greywater Watch can't be made out of wood, in fact most fanart depicts it as a wooden structure.
 
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