Game of Thrones Thread

Here are my thoughts:

1. If the plan was to lure the night king to the weirwood forest, why did they only have five ironborn archers defending? What was the trap?

2. Why did the evilest of all evil of the show kill less important characters than one treacherous wedding?

3. Why the fuck is the show so stupid with hiding in the crypt?

4. Who places siege engines and infantry outside the perimeter?

5. Why have spiked wooden fortifications knowing people could get hurt against those, but not the enemy?

6. How did jon survive dragonfire by hiding behind stone, when dragonfire easily blasts through stone in other scenes and in the lore (harrenhal)?

7. Best use of cavalry ever.

8. I find it hard to believe that the hound would just let Arya go out again.

9. Dany really didn't seem to care much about her dragons compared to jorah.

10. Why did the night king want to kill bran personally anyways? Why not wait until everyone is dead? Why was the whole encounter so boring and cookie cutter?

They've really gone off the deep end. The only thing that could salvage it is if the three eyed raven was an ultimate evil that the night king was trying to stop.

1. They were supposed to burn him with dragons

2. There aren't that many disposable characters left and they had to save some for the fight against Cersei. As a side note isn't it fucking depressing that we went from the Red Wedding to knowing exactly who is a disposable character and who isn't?

3. Bad screenwriting/the good guys are stupid. Maybe they didn't think that the Night King's powers would work over long distances but thinking he couldn't resurrect the corpses in the crypts is a big fucking assumption to make.

4. Bad screenwriting/Jon is a terrible military commander.

5. They planned to set them on fire with incendiary arrows but it didn't work because of the the Night King's plot magic.

6. Bad screenwriting/Dragonfire is as strong as the plot requires it to be/Rock types resists Blue Fire.

7. Bad screenwriting/Jon is a terrible military commander/The Dothraki are stupid and blindly charging into battle is the only tactic they are willing to follow

8. Arya is a strong independent woman and she doesn't need a fucking white male to tell her what to do.

9. Stop questioning female characters you sexist pig. Our kween is perfect.

10. Bad screenwriting/muh history/The Night king doesn't reason like a human, he wanted to kill Brann and that's what he's gonna do, everything else comes second.
 
So i just rewatched the episode (it's just me or it was too dark?) and I saw that Danaerys
basically used Jorah like a human shield. That's taking the friendzone to another level.
It's way too dark on my very old LCD that bleeds light like crazy, it was much better on my PC monitor that i use for gaming. I can't remember if this comparison with LOTR Helms Deep was posted here, but that's similar to my TV, I could make out more detail on the monitor.
Prophecies are breakable in this series. Dany's son was supposed to be super Genghis Khan but Mirri Maaz Duur aborted him.
Are they or have they just not come true yet? Archmaester Marwyn has a good point about prophecy.
“Not that I would trust it. Gorghan of Old Ghis once wrote that a prophecy is like a treacherous woman. She takes your member in her mouth, and you moan with the pleasure of it and think, how sweet, how fine, how good this is . . . and then her teeth snap shut and your moans turn to screams. That is the nature of prophecy, said Gorghan. Prophecy will bite your prick off every time.”

Here's a some info for people about Azhor Ahai and Tyrion is a secret target, they are 4y old but i don't think any info is out of date.
 
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Remind me who said it... I remember it being said I just want to know.
I think it was the "prophecy" of some old woman when Dany married Khal Drogo, based on some legend of the Dothraki. And she sort of fulfilled it when she "gave birth" to 3 Dragons.
It was the Dosh Khaleen, the old ex-khaleesis that are supposed to do a prophecy about every new khalakka before they're born. Normally I'd just say "clearly it was just bullshit" but in the books the House of the Undying independently confirms it through a different method, where Dany sees an alternate future where a Dothraki Khal under a flaming stallion banner, with violet eyes and silver hair is burning King's Landing to the ground behind him.

I think Melisandre is right and that prophecies aren't set in stone, they're just playing the odds. Some visions are more likely than others.
 
3. Bad screenwriting/the good guys are stupid. Maybe they didn't think that the Night King's powers would work over long distances but thinking he couldn't resurrect the corpses in the crypts is a big fucking assumption to make.
Well.... burial rites usually intend to prevent people from coming back as ghosts or the undead, so there's that. A burial is not just a way to remove a corpse, most ritual aspects usually revolve around pacifying the soul of the deceased to prevent it from doing shit in the world of the living. And if that's not an option (maybe cause the person died under terrible circumstances that can't be pacified) you bury them in a way to make sure they won't be able to come back. Like, you bury them beneath a bridge or at a crossroads. Or you bury them upside down, so they don't dig themselves up. Shit like that.

That is to say, I would have assumed that the corpses of the crypt are either "off limits" due to burial rites, due to them being dead a really long fucking time or since there's a massive statue on top of their graves.

It makes no sense from a narrative PoV to have the Night King be able to resurrect people in that crypt. At all. Either it makes no sense for them to hide down there or it makes no sense that he can resurrect these people, either way, it was stupid as shit.

I think Melisandre is right and that prophecies aren't set in stone, they're just playing the odds. Some visions are more likely than others.
Oh absolutely, where would the suspense be, if the prophecy would just be 100% correct.
But the one about Azor Ahai being reborn, which is the focal point of the entire show(!), turns out to be horseshot start to finish.
Arya was not born amongst salt and smoke. Her life has nothing to do with dragons. She has nothing that could be considered "Lightbringer". She has no connection to "A song of ice and fire".

From a strictly narrative point of view, with setup and payoff, it was weak as fuck, easily the dumbest thing they could have done. They might as well have had Gilly stab the Night King. Or the Hound. Or Jaqen H'Gar. Or fucking Littlefinger, who inexplicably returns alive for no reason.
It's the screen-writing version of madlips.
"And then, the Night King is killed by ____ (Character)."

No setup, no payoff. It's utter trash and I have no clue why they did it. Some Feminism bullshit? Subverting expectations? Just what the fuck was the intention of not only resolving the Night King plot this lamely but also this pointlessly?
I don't get it. Do these people hate the show they created that they want to make it end on such an asinine note?

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And here's the one thing that I just want to add:
Who really cares how the war over the Iron Throne ends? Seriously.

Even if Cersei won and killed off all remaining characters, that only means she'll be in power for like 20-30 years tops and then no matter how bad she was, even if she goes full "Mad King"-levels of crazy. . . she'll die. Someone else will take the throne. Oh sure, maybe there'll be a few decades of bullshit going on, but it doesn't matter. The big important thing was defeating the Night King. He's gone, anything else is so utterly unimportant, there is no point to it at all. Nothing is at stake, compared to the achievement of killing off the NK.

And since neither Dany nor Jon are "the promised prince", it feels like it's a 100% inconsequential who gets on the throne in the end.
There's nothing special about (say) Jon ending up the King of Westeros. He's just some random person after all.

I can't believe how little I now care for the conclusion of this show, with only one scene being to blame.
 
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It's ambiguous indaboox but right now just about everything north of the Wall seems to be being reanimated, including the animals. Whether they were slain by wights or the supernatural cold I dunno.

I'm still mad the undead bear wasn't in the show.
 
It makes no sense from a narrative PoV to have the Night King be able to resurrect people in that crypt. At all. Either it makes no sense for them to hide down there or it makes no sense that he can resurrect these people, either way, it was stupid as shit.

I can forgive them not knowing the extent or nature of the Night King's power, but it definitely should have been a topic of conversation in the war planning meeting. They could have cut a scene of people misremembering past events in episode 2 to have them have a brief discussion about arming the people in the crypts on the off chance that the dude with the power to reanimate the dead might be able to reanimate the dead in the crypts.

Making characters dumb to add dramatic tension is bad writing.


I'm still mad the undead bear wasn't in the show.

Also, ice spiders. If D&D were going to go full nonsense with Ninja Arya, at least they could have gone full nonsense with the NK's army.
 
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So some prophecies are true based on cherry picking from the writers? Because based on this past episode, a lot of prophecies turned out being a load of bullshit.

Yeah. This show can go to hell.

If you go by what Gurm tends to write, prophecies are unreliable and meant to trick people.

Half the stuff in the Valonquar prophecy was clever guessing, and the other half is Cersei fulfilling it because she believes it. Cersei's the one for example who decides how many children she has. This is all from a woman who Cersei said her father would flog if she didn't give her a prophecy.
 
It would make for a better story if the Nights King and army bypass Winterfell and somehow made it south, destroy everything/everybody in their path, the final battle is at KL and in the end Dany becomes queen. Then it becomes clear the Dothraki & Unsullied aren't farmers/artisans and it's Mereen all over again but this time Jon says enough and deposes her in favor of whatever Targ babbys they may have with everyone's approval and Jon fucks off to the North. It's not like this hasn't happened ever in the history of the world Europe.
I also want to see Bienne and Tormund get married and have giant babies just so we can see her still roll her eyes at her husband as he's still dribbling ale down his beard in their old age.
 
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All the politics for the entire show was interesting because it was framed around this larger issue that humanity has to fix, the whole point of the politics is to show how hard it would be to unite the houses against a common threat. The undead act as a framing device to show how petty a lot of the common house squabbles are, even though they're grudges that are generations old. This isn't to say there aren't themes about regicide and the vying for power, but the entire show has been framed around "winter coming" and the White Walkers.

Cersei is only a formidable villain because she is so clearly unwilling to cooperate with the battle against the dead. We get this sense long before she even rises to power. Again, the relationship between the politics of the living and the approach of the undead are always joined, and it's a big part of why GoT manages to attract a wide audience despite being noticeably slower paced than most other TV hits; the dead make the politics more interesting.

Ultimately, the White Walkers were a much more interesting and mysterious antagonist for the show, if for no other reason than they've been hyped up as the main "problem" for the whole show. We know pretty much everything we can know about Cersei and what she's capable of. We're expecting the twist. The same can't be said about the undead, since they so clearly point to a larger story or lore that we know next to none about.

My tinfoil hat theory is that Bran becomes the Night King to raise an army against the Golden Company.
 
I wonder if House Glover haven't been wiped out. I guess them, along with Manderly can form a new army for the North.
 
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This show shat the bed SO badly that I really don't care whether I see the final 3 episodes or not. I'm definitely not excited to watch them when they air; that's for damn sure. I'm not going to plan my schedule around them anymore.

And fuck the books, too. They will never get finished.

A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones: Wasted potential.

Tolkien forever reigns supreme on creating the best fantasy epic of all time, as far as I'm concerned. I hope he's smoking a big pipe in the afterlife right now.

All i know is that is seems rather ironic the show/book seemed to morph into the very thing that George RR Martin wanted to shy away from. It seems that after the threat of the dead gone, what is there really to look forward to? Is there any real extensional threat to be afraid of? I mean you have a dragon left and seem to have an army even after it looked liked 90% of your forces died in the battle against the dead. There doesn't seem to be any more plots or twists left so what is the point? What was the point of Bran at all? Did he do anything of note? Who cares!!!! You dipshits got your epic battle in the pitch black and got Arya to finish the Night King in a rather dumb way of coming out of nowhere with probably having her internal organs crushed by the giant so genius writing.

Shit like this confirms my 5 season rule of television and shows in general. That rule being that shows will peak in four or five seasons and suffer a horrible decline afterwords.
 
All i know is that is seems rather ironic the show/book seemed to morph into the very thing that George RR Martin wanted to shy away from. It seems that after the threat of the dead gone, what is there really to look forward to? Is there any real extensional threat to be afraid of? I mean you have a dragon left and seem to have an army even after it looked liked 90% of your forces died in the battle against the dead. There doesn't seem to be any more plots or twists left so what is the point? What was the point of Bran at all? Did he do anything of note? Who cares!!!! You dipshits got your epic battle in the pitch black and got Arya to finish the Night King in a rather dumb way of coming out of nowhere with probably having her internal organs crushed by the giant so genius writing.

Shit like this confirms my 5 season rule of television and shows in general. That rule being that shows will peak in four or five seasons and suffer a horrible decline afterwords.
Ironic, isn't it? The MUH GRITTY REALIZM GUIZE fantasy has become a story about a magic princess with pet dragons and her amazing friends facing off against the archetypical wicked queen.
 
You dipshits got your epic battle in the pitch black and got Arya to finish the Night King in a rather dumb way of coming out of nowhere with probably having her internal organs crushed by the giant so genius writing.

The Arya twist would actually work in the books, assuming the narrative was from her perspective. Instead of Arya just popping out of nowhere like in the show, you'd actually know what she was thinking and follow her as she made her way from the castle to the godswood. Heck, imagine how much better the show's resolution would have been if the library scene took place as she was making her way to the godswood.

Staggered from the blow to her head, Arya retreats from the courtyard to catch her breath and collect her thoughts.
On the parapet, she sees a group of White Walkers walking down the path to the Godswood.
Arya realizes that it must be the Night King making his way to Bran in the Godswood.
Having grown up in Winterfell, Arya is familiar with the layout of the castle and quickly rushes to the library, hoping to beat the Night King to the Godswood and save her brother.
Unfortunately, the dead have already infiltrated the library and, indeed, most of the castle interior.
Hoping to avoid a prolonged confrontation that would slow her down and cost her her brother's life, she chooses to stealthily avoid detection instead of fighting her way through the library.
Her trip through the library takes longer than she thought, so in a panic, she bursts into a run along the walls of Winterfell, over the heads of the dead on the ground below.
A few narrow misses later, Arya is close enough to the Godswood to be able to watch the confrontation between Theon and the Night King.
After watching Theon fall, Arya pulls out her dagger, knowing that she'll only get one chance to end the Night King's life...
 
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