💬 Off-Topic Gender critical resources - Recommend TERF-aligned websites and books

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Spangled Drongo said:
To be fair, not all gender critical people are radical feminists - can only speak for myself but I disagree with a lot of ideas that could be broadly considered RF, however also oppose gender ideology. I disagree with Walsh as well on various topics but the documentary was fairly ideologically neutral. (Except for the bit at the start where he implies that he's glad his kids are conforming to gender stereotypes - that bothered me quite a bit as he's almost definitely one of those ultra religious types who thinks men & women ought to like certain things and act in certain ways)
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The conservative/religious overlap with feminism/radfem is that sex and its dimorphic nature are part of an unchangeable material reality. When TRAs try to insist that gender critical is actually far right, they conveniently overlook their own overlap with the conservatives: that conformity to gender stereotypes is super important. It's just that for the conservatives because you are [sex] you must conform to [gender] stereotypes, while for the TRA it is because you conform to [gender] stereotypes you must be [sex].
 
know this is an old thread but for anyone else looking for resources i also want to add some things i've found recently. they are really difficult to find (can't count how many times i thought i found a reasonable article and it was some conservative group with zero credibility and no sources listed) and could potentially help someone peak friends / save people from the transcult, so it's better to post than not.

trans genocide doesn't exist: https://unherd.com/2022/01/the-truth-about-trans-murders/?=frlh

detransitioners' stories: https://reduxx.info/opinion-the-boy-who-shifted-shapes/ , https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/emxqvn/transition_was_like_suicide_without_the_gun_the/ , https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/d4x3ie/i_literally_had_a_perfect_transition_but_im_still/ , https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/ezz657/went_out_as_a_female_for_the_first_time_in_2_years/ , https://youtu.be/U7hxYBDcElc

other detrans/desister things: https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/ , https://www.reddit.com/r/Scrambled_Eggs_irl

trans sex offenders: https://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/research/005008-r442_O-en.shtml

transing kids: https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids , https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-gender-clinic-reveals-happened-cry-help.html

clinics against the affirmative model: https://genspect.org/ , https://www.genderexploratory.com/

general websites: https://thenewbacklash.blogspot.com

some of these might be trans-aligned a bit (or just pretending to be to avoid being attacked), i haven't done in-depth research, but it's good to start out with a few things and appeal to common sense rather than turning your friends against you immediately by going all-out gc.
 
imaginary friend said:
know this is an old thread but for anyone else looking for resources i also want to add some things i've found recently. they are really difficult to find (can't count how many times i thought i found a reasonable article and it was some conservative group with zero credibility and no sources listed) and could potentially help someone peak friends / save people from the transcult, so it's better to post than not.
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IDK the thread died a bit, sure, but nothing's saying it can't be woken up again (I'm hoping, lol), so thanks for posting

imaginary friend said:
it's good to start out with a few things and appeal to common sense rather than turning your friends against you immediately by going all-out gc.
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Agreed 100%. For me the challenge is telling what is common sense anymore when stuff like "actually people being fired for their political beliefs is terrible" has ceased to be, apparently... So it's a bit of a fine line but still definitely worthwhile to try.
 
Real Centaur said:
IDK the thread died a bit, sure, but nothing's saying it can't be woken up again (I'm hoping, lol), so thanks for posting


Agreed 100%. For me the challenge is telling what is common sense anymore when stuff like "actually people being fired for their political beliefs is terrible" has ceased to be, apparently... So it's a bit of a fine line but still definitely worthwhile to try.
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doublethink has become pretty common. "freedom of speech" and "things we deem to be hate speech should get you punished" are being said by the same people, so i think just getting some hard, indisputable evidence that directly juxtaposes tras' claims is your best bet.
 
Kujo Jotaro said:
Enough to know I can click on your profile and see that you joined 2 years after me.
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If you're going to be that pedantic, at least make it "joined 2 years after I."

Also, why don't you go make these same comments on the (wonderful) thread about great history books. After all, they seem to be promoting the agenda that reading history books is a good thing. There are boatload of threads that are mainly archiving perspectives. Did you never read any of the Kyle Rittenhouse threads? Lots of good archived material there. Same with the war in Ukraine. Hell, the archived material and references to sources are what keep some of us coming back.
 
LateNightMuffin said:
If you're going to be that pedantic, at least make it "joined 2 years after I."

Also, why don't you go make these same comments on the (wonderful) thread about great history books. After all, they seem to be promoting the agenda that reading history books is a good thing. There are boatload of threads that are mainly archiving perspectives. Did you never read any of the Kyle Rittenhouse threads? Lots of good archived material there. Same with the war in Ukraine. Hell, the archived material and references to sources are what keep some of us coming back.
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"I want to be consumed by ideological rot in peace, please no one point out my fall into a false all encompassing world view!"
 
> Reading about how trans activism sucks on Kiwifarms: good
> Reading about how trans activism sucks outside of Kiwifarms: ideology, bad

But I say why don't we ignore him and just keep sharing interesting stuff, I'd hate for this to derail the thread.

The documentary Affirmation Generation is free to watch on Vimeo, and their website also has some pretty interesting links to detransitioner testimonies, support organizations & research.
 
https://www.blockedandreported.org/ Both of the hosts ran afoul of questioning the trans narratives being put out so they have a podcast now.
I'd call them liberal, they respect usage of pronouns but actually care about the nitty gritty of the science reporting that a lot of twitteratti featured in this part of the website use to make their points. That is, they read the studies and present major issues with how the evidence is presented. The hosts cover the trans stuff but also other internet strangeness.
Notable episodes recently include how the unitarian church went through the trans shit and their schisms a couple decades before kiwifarms hit notoriety.
 
Maginot said:
https://www.blockedandreported.org/ Both of the hosts ran afoul of questioning the trans narratives being put out so they have a podcast now.
I'd call them liberal, they respect usage of pronouns but actually care about the nitty gritty of the science reporting that a lot of twitteratti featured in this part of the website use to make their points.
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Respecting the use of “pronouns” is just opening the doors for this kind of backwards thinking. It’s just to make troons more comfortable and you start getting the bourgeois to sit and think “golly, maybe I am they/them!”

Fuck pronouns. You’re born the gender you are and you can’t change it. You can be a feminine man or a masculine woman. I hate how trans people and conservatives want to enforce these strict binaries of how genders are supposed to act and dress. Dress however you fucking want, but no amount of hormones, mutilation, and changing pronouns is going to change your sex.
 
You are not going to reach people pozzed to hell by being raised with this shit by directly confronting it like that. They already been trained to terminate discourse when they hear one of their tenants of etiquette being violated. It is functionally like a religious upbringing that way. Now, if they care about shit like "is this actually true because I am old enough to realize people fucking lie for stupid reasons all the fucking time" then you might get someone to realize twitter discourse is bugfuck insane.

Being scrupulously correct with the enemy's rules while discussing the enemy's evidence in their own words and pointing out the issues is how people persuaded to a position might be persuaded out of it. Its an ideal, unrealistic, approach when the other side would rather actively censor instead of getting better evidence for their points. (which won't exist because the rhetoric would require showing trans medicine actually fucking helps instead of at best being neutral)
 
Maginot said:
You are not going to reach people pozzed to hell by being raised with this shit by directly confronting it like that. They already been trained to terminate discourse when they hear one of their tenants of etiquette being violated.
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IDK if it's just me but I used to be exactly like this, pretty much. Like just hearing someone use the wrong pronouns would instantly invalidate everything they said - it meant that they had been tragically tricked by insidious transphobic propaganda at best, or simply evil and malicious at worst. It's weird how you can be conditioned to feel so intensely about something so trivial. And I wasn't even in it truly, not running in LGBTQ circles or anything - just exposure from media.
Maginot said:
Being scrupulously correct with the enemy's rules while discussing the enemy's evidence in their own words and pointing out the issues is how people persuaded to a position might be persuaded out of it. Its an ideal, unrealistic, approach when the other side would rather actively censor instead of getting better evidence for their points.
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This is admirably idealistic. And also unrealistic because even if you do use all the correct terms and play within the rules - if the conclusion you're arguing is against the ideology, they can still find ways to disregard it. They can say that you're using their terms in "bad faith", "concern trolling", etc. Because gender ideology is ultimately anti-logical, and in it, it's the conclusion that determines the validity of the argument.

But in any case you're right, if any strategy has the chance to work, it's not extreme opposition but rather by tiny degrees. I'm trying to find that balance with IRL folks, where I can sometimes debunk their most fantastical ideas about gender without them immediately dumping me/suspecting my secret ~eeeeevil transphobia~.
 
Real Centaur said:
If any strategy has the chance to work, it's not extreme opposition but rather by tiny degrees. I'm trying to find that balance with IRL folks, where I can sometimes debunk their most fantastical ideas about gender without them immediately dumping me/suspecting my secret ~eeeeevil transphobia~.
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This is anecdotal, of course, but I've found this myself, IRL. I mean, it makes sense, right? I'm not going to go in on my friends who are sympathetic to this gender bullshit, all guns blazing, revealing my terven power level instantly, reeling off everything I know about how fundamentally fucked up the whole ideology is.

I've found a lot more success introducing gender critical ideas a little bit at a time, organically as part of an ongoing discussion, from a place of concern and, above all, plausible deniability. That way these talking points aren't coming from an eeeevil hate-filled TERF bigot, but from their good friend, Miriam, someone they already like, someone they already know is a good person, someone whom they regularly hang out with, watch movies with, make jokes with.
 
Yeah, IRL arguing from the perspective of a normie trying to figure things out is effective. This applies to all political conversation, not just tranny talk, as it puts the expectancy of knowlege onto the other person and prevents both parties arguing across each other.

"I don't know much about this trans stuff, my friend was threatened for saying she would feel unsafe with males in her bathroom though. She's a really lovely person and it was horrible seeing her go through that. "

"I saw a video where a women was assaulted by a trans crowd, and the comments from trans rights activists were very aggressive... ...'Posey Parker'? Oh I'm not sure, I've never heard of her, it was a hard watch though wasn't it?"

"I haven't read into the science of it, but on the surface preventing a child's puberty seems very sketchy, how much research has actually gone into this?"

"Sorry I haven't read about that, where did you see it?.. ...Hasan Piker? I'll have to look into him. Thanks...

...so I watched a Hasan stream, what was all of that stuff about the jews?"
 
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