EU General Discussion for Germany's attempts to onstitutionally ban the AfD (Alternative for Germany) - WIP - Check back tomorrow for translated transcript of federal parliament session

Not in Happenings, because deaths need to be involved as per the board rules.

Reserving this OP for news.

While I normally localize terms in my translations for Kiwi Farms, such as turning "Grundgesetz" into "constitution", or "Bundestag" into "federal parliament", I intentionally abstain from doing that in this OP. I will make liberal use of German terms for the sake of accuracy in conveying the content and information to international readers. A glossary of terms and abbreviations is found here for your convenience:

Spoiler: Glossary (sorted alphabetically)

• AfD = Alternative für Deutschland (alternative for Germany), political party founded in 2013
• Bundestag = federal parliament
• Bundesverfassungsgericht = federal constitutional court, similar to the USA Supreme Court
• CDU = Christlich-Demokratische Union (Christian democratic union), left-centrist political party with the majority of federal chancellors in the history of Germany
• Grundgesetz = lit. "Basic Law", constitution of the Federal Republic of Germany
• Karlsruhe = city in Germany, seat of the Bundesverfassungsgericht
• NPD = Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands (national democratic party of Germany), right-wing political party. Famously and infamously, a prohibition process against the NPD has failed before.
• NSDAP = Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (national socialist German workers' party), literal Nazis
• OVG = abbreviation "Oberverwaltungsgericht", upper administrative court
• SPD = Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands (social democratic party of Germany), left-wing political party with the second-most federal chancellors in the history of Germany
• Reichstag = the name of the building in which the Bundestag sessions are held
• Verfassungsschutz = Office for the Protection of the Constitution, basically the interior intelligence agency, similar to the USA FBI

On Thursday, January 30 2025, the Bundestag held a session discussing two separate proposals to initiate a prohibition procedure against the AfD in Germany. Such a proposition may be submitted to the Bundesverfassungsgericht by either the Bundestag, the federal government, or the Federal Council.
In A&N, I have covered events and news items leading up to this, such as, in order of posting (oldest to newest):

• Undercover in the Green Party: What the Greens actually think about an AfD ban
• The intelligence agency and the Kramer case / The Kramer Complex - How the secret service became a political machine
• Open letter - Over 200 jurists demand the initiation of AfD ban procedure - all requirements to do this are fulfilled
• Marco Wanderwitz (CDU) wants to surge ahead - Why the AfD ban proposal shall be debated in federal parliament next week
• Germany: Media report: CDU chancellor candidate Friedrich Merz is open to the idea of AfD prohibition after the election

For now, I am reserving this OP to collate information.

The relevant section is in the 210th session of the Bundestag, daily agenda items ZP 8,9:

ZP 8) Discussion of the petition by the representatives Carmen Wegge, Marco Wanderwitz, Dr. Till Steffen, Martina Renner, Stefan Seidler, and further representatives​

Petition for a decision of the German Bundestag on the initiation of a procedure to determine the unconstitutionality of the "Alternative für Deutschland" according to article 21 paragraph 2, 3, and 4 of the Grundgesetz and § 13 number 2 and 2a, §§ 43 ff. of the Bundesverfassungsgericht Law​

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ZP 9) Discussion of the petition by the representatives Renate Künast, Lukas Benner, Dr. Irene Mihalic, and further representatives​

Determination of the unconstitutionality of the "Alternative für Deutschland"​

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A complete and translated transcript of that Bundestag debate is available at https://kiwifarms.st/threads/german...fd-translation-of-official-transcript.210997/

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

[Reserved just in case]

 

[Breadbassket]

Prepare for democracy to be saved in Germany.

 

[Joe Swanson]

Germany really is the worst place to live in Europe, I really wish the German people regain their spine

 

[Necrosan]

Germany really is the worst place to live in Europe, I really wish the German people regain their spine

They will, I promise you they will. The question is how bad do they want to be hit back by the swinging pendulum when it comes their way. If history is to be believed, which I also believe.

 

[sedoL]

So since the AfD is getting blasted like this, what policies/stances are they actually proposing and where can this be checked/verified?

 

[Coptakhenaten]

So since the AfD is getting blasted like this, what policies/stances are they actually proposing and where can this be checked/verified?

they're basically moderately right wing and are ran by a lesbian. They are liberals who just recognize open borders is a failed policy.

Green Party is legitimately closer to the KPD than AFD is to the NSDAP.

 

[Agitated Gerbil]

AfD has a problem, and that problem is its pro-Russia stance. Their insistence on keeping that stance means that they're in Putin's pockets, and the flirting with Musky and Trumpy hasn't helped either.

A genuinely German party would simply focus on two things: getting rid of immigrants and going hard into nuclear energy. Since these retards have no intention of doing either of those things and are insistent on sucking Russia and American oligarch cock it's okay if they get banned. Europe must federalize as soon as possible, and AfD is an obstacle to that. Ergo Musk's meddling - it's in US' interest that Europe remains weak and divided.

Since AfD benefits Russia and the US we can safely regard them as a fifth column and thus traitors to Europe.

 

[troonkin]

So since the AfD is getting blasted like this, what policies/stances are they actually proposing and where can this be checked/verified?

You just need to trust the democratic process and the integrity of the german law makers my friend.

 

[Otterly]

Are they aiming to get them banned before the February elections?
Can’t have the volk voting for people they want, what would democracy think!

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

So since the AfD is getting blasted like this, what policies/stances are they actually proposing and where can this be checked/verified?

The AfD's campaign statements can be found at https://www.afd.de/zeit-fuer-deutschland/
The abridged version is found at https://www.afd.de/wp-content/uploa...n-aus-Bundestagswahlprogramm-_-Webversion.pdf

To translate the headlines of the latter:

1. Maintain basic values of the social market economy
2. A turnabout in asylum and migration policy
3. Inner security and fight against crime
4. Peace in Europe: Dialogue instead of escalation
5. Freedom of speech and a reform of public broadcasting
6. Regaining secure and affordable energy
7. Family and demography: Empower families, support births
8. European Union: Return to a Europe of nations
9. Reducing bureaucracy and lowering the tax burden
10. Affordable living space and supporting home purchases
11. More direct democracy according inspired by the Swiss
12. Protecting cash and economic freedom
13. Making infrastructure efficient and future-capable
14. Pension system reform for long-term stability
15. Improving healthcare: Less bureaucracy, more care
16. A strong Bundeswehr [army] as a guarantor of a sovereign nation
17. Openness to technology in traffic policy
18. Work must be lucrative again - reforming the Bürgergeld [unemployment money]
19. Supporting rural areas and agriculture
20. Consequently sticking to the debt brake

 

[sedoL]

You just need to trust the democratic process and the integrity of the german law makers my friend.

I understad that the greens are just Russian whores, but are the AfD actually different or is this whole thing just a circus to distract from the fact nothing changes?

 

[Coptakhenaten]

I understad that the greens are just Russian whores, but are the AfD actually different or is this whole thing just a circus to distract from the fact nothing changes?

AFD do believe in their own message, it's just still very moderate and not hardcore whatsoever

 

[Mark Goldbridge]

What a joke, bet 99% of the arguments are "if you could have stopped the Nazi party in 1929 would you?"

Any argument around the popularity of the party will say "well the Nazi party were popular in 1929, they should've been banned back then!"

 

[Coptakhenaten]

What a joke, bet 99% of the arguments are "if you could have stopped the Nazi party in 1929 would you?"

Any argument around the popularity of the party will say "well the Nazi party were popular in 1929, they should've been banned back then!"

The Nazis took power because leftists were going so insane even moderate/hard right parties weren't palletable enough for the average person and since everything was a fascist, why not vote for the (supposed) actual Fascist?

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

This only radicalizes the Germans and politicians don't seem to understand that.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

AfD has a problem, and that problem is its pro-Russia stance.

Here your notification, since you are obviously baiting.

Not wanting to risk World War 3 and wanting cheap energy are obviously RUSSIAN POSITIONS!

 

[Edict of Expulsion]

They will, I promise you they will. The question is how bad do they want to be hit back by the swinging pendulum when it comes their way. If history is to be believed, which I also believe.

I really hope so. You have such a defeated people all over Europe and the UK.
It might be just demoralizing media but “hundreds of thousands” coming out to counter protest against just pointing out how absurdly disproportionately shitskins are the ones causing issues.

Then a brain drain to the jew-nited states of America that worships niggers and until this week flew the tranny flag on military bases around the world and lit up the capital in faggot sin of pride.

The infection is absolutely everywhere except very small pockets like the handful of monoculture countries that haven’t succumbed to kike white guilt.

Countries, and Germany especially, need to bring back youth wings.
Danger hairs have freaked out over some in the younger generations being “literal hitler youth”, which is slightly encouraging, but those need to be given resources and to work alongside fellow non-wokes.

 

[Mark Goldbridge]

btw if AfD were Serbian they would be a moderate party

Funny that they pass legislation against all odds after terrible terrorist attack that only slightly limits illegal immigration and it is too much for EU law!
EU truly is a globohomo institution. You MUST take in ze african and muslim men to rape your women and kill your kids at Christmas markets.

The powers at be realize they're gonna lose in Germany so they delay the election so they have more time to paint AfD as Holocaust deniers because a small part of their education plan includes a part where they want German history lessons to teach more than just the Holocaust. That fails so now in the last weeks of campaigning they are going to ban the party altogether.
My prediction if AfD aren't banned: CDU create a government with Socialists, Feminists, Greens and other fringe parties. They totally forfeit all of their principles openly in a fight against the "fascists" and a lot of CDU voters defect to AfD. AfD get more diluted and more gay but still better than the rest.

 

[Cane Skretteburg]

Democracy is very real and serious. Sometimes, in order to protect democracy, you have to outlaw entire political parties and make supporting that party’s positions a crime. This is the only sensible position to take. If you don’t take this position, you are anti-democracy.