EU General Discussion for Germany's attempts to onstitutionally ban the AfD (Alternative for Germany) - WIP - Check back tomorrow for translated transcript of federal parliament session

Not in Happenings, because deaths need to be involved as per the board rules.

Reserving this OP for news.

While I normally localize terms in my translations for Kiwi Farms, such as turning "Grundgesetz" into "constitution", or "Bundestag" into "federal parliament", I intentionally abstain from doing that in this OP. I will make liberal use of German terms for the sake of accuracy in conveying the content and information to international readers. A glossary of terms and abbreviations is found here for your convenience:

Spoiler: Glossary (sorted alphabetically)

• AfD = Alternative für Deutschland (alternative for Germany), political party founded in 2013
• Bundestag = federal parliament
• Bundesverfassungsgericht = federal constitutional court, similar to the USA Supreme Court
• CDU = Christlich-Demokratische Union (Christian democratic union), left-centrist political party with the majority of federal chancellors in the history of Germany
• Grundgesetz = lit. "Basic Law", constitution of the Federal Republic of Germany
• Karlsruhe = city in Germany, seat of the Bundesverfassungsgericht
• NPD = Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands (national democratic party of Germany), right-wing political party. Famously and infamously, a prohibition process against the NPD has failed before.
• NSDAP = Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (national socialist German workers' party), literal Nazis
• OVG = abbreviation "Oberverwaltungsgericht", upper administrative court
• SPD = Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands (social democratic party of Germany), left-wing political party with the second-most federal chancellors in the history of Germany
• Reichstag = the name of the building in which the Bundestag sessions are held
• Verfassungsschutz = Office for the Protection of the Constitution, basically the interior intelligence agency, similar to the USA FBI

On Thursday, January 30 2025, the Bundestag held a session discussing two separate proposals to initiate a prohibition procedure against the AfD in Germany. Such a proposition may be submitted to the Bundesverfassungsgericht by either the Bundestag, the federal government, or the Federal Council.
In A&N, I have covered events and news items leading up to this, such as, in order of posting (oldest to newest):

• Undercover in the Green Party: What the Greens actually think about an AfD ban
• The intelligence agency and the Kramer case / The Kramer Complex - How the secret service became a political machine
• Open letter - Over 200 jurists demand the initiation of AfD ban procedure - all requirements to do this are fulfilled
• Marco Wanderwitz (CDU) wants to surge ahead - Why the AfD ban proposal shall be debated in federal parliament next week
• Germany: Media report: CDU chancellor candidate Friedrich Merz is open to the idea of AfD prohibition after the election

For now, I am reserving this OP to collate information.

The relevant section is in the 210th session of the Bundestag, daily agenda items ZP 8,9:

ZP 8) Discussion of the petition by the representatives Carmen Wegge, Marco Wanderwitz, Dr. Till Steffen, Martina Renner, Stefan Seidler, and further representatives​

Petition for a decision of the German Bundestag on the initiation of a procedure to determine the unconstitutionality of the "Alternative für Deutschland" according to article 21 paragraph 2, 3, and 4 of the Grundgesetz and § 13 number 2 and 2a, §§ 43 ff. of the Bundesverfassungsgericht Law​

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ZP 9) Discussion of the petition by the representatives Renate Künast, Lukas Benner, Dr. Irene Mihalic, and further representatives​

Determination of the unconstitutionality of the "Alternative für Deutschland"​

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A complete and translated transcript of that Bundestag debate is available at https://kiwifarms.st/threads/german...fd-translation-of-official-transcript.210997/

 

[cain_destroyer1]

I am not exaggerating when I say that the politicians of Germany would rather sacrifice all firstborn, secondborn, dustborn, and thirdborn in Germany and destroy the economy of Germany for the future 3000 years if it means avoiding being seen as right wing. Not even far right, just "right wing"

I recommend that you always mentally insert a note saying "Jewish humiliation ritual" whenever you read anything about German politics
Things become so much more reasonable and predictable in that context

No one holds a grudge like the jews. 2000 years from now, they will still be punishing the last german in the same manner as "I have no mouth and I must scream". Forever guilt trip

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

2000 years from now, they will still be punishing the last german in the same manner as "I have no mouth and I must breath".

(Our Greatest) Allied Mastercomputer

 

[cain_destroyer1]

(Our Greatest) Allied Mastercomputer

I have no hands and I must rub

 

[Dracula's Spirit Animal]

Only a vatnik would defend Russia. The "Not wanting to risk WW3" talkingpoint outed you nicely, because the implication is that "poor Russia" is being oh so meanly antagonized when the "proper and just" thing to do would be to sacrifice millions and millions of Europeans to its imperialist gulag and turn a blind eye to it.

Russia can always retreat into its proper borders where it belongs, or be defeated militarily. The choice is theirs. I always advocated for a total Pan-European war against that despotic shithole, because I am a moderate. Russia needs to be broken and it will be broken, and I am perfectly willing to see that Chinese appetites in Siberia are also satiated. You must understand that the Russian territory is meat, and that it will be treated as such. I wish to see Putin hanged after a fair and impartial trial in the Haag and ejaculate at the point of his death. Europe is above all things, and Germany needs to do its part. It has only itself to blame for its failed energy policy. There is no issue. Everything as it should be, and Russia is to be destroyed and dismembered. your women will serve in Chinese pleasure chambers and count themselves fortunate, and we will grind the bones of your men and elderly into fertilizer so that Ukraine may blossom. You will and are learning that you were, are, and will be shit in one form or another. I will never entertain delusions that Russia is strong or a proper state.

Be thankful Europe is still playing nice with you, because the alternative is people like me.

As someone who has been on the Internet since before university DARPA days, FIDONet, BBCs, Gopher, FTP, Telnet, predating HTTP significantly, I gotta say, you are the dumbest motherfucker that has ever communicated in any digital format.

I don't usually barge into discussions like that, but I'm kinda interested who exactly are those people like you?

People Like Xir are faggot troons, I suspect.

 

[ZMOT]

They aren't even actively trying to ban it right now, the media is just whining that someone should do it

this, it's like trump impeachment trying to dissuade voters to vote for the "bad party, everybody says so".

what I will talk about is onions. God, love me some onions. Fried, raw, doesn't matter. Could eat the suckers just like apples. But they give me gas. You know what I mean? Really bad ones. And I'm basically fobidden from onions on account of existential threat to lives around me. Sad, but it is what it is.

confirmed frog