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Tor Lugosi said:

first Gura and Ame collab in... I don't know -- maybe a year now? they're usually great together
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I learned recently this place is technically back on the clearnet

I just wanted to say, AmeSame collab was so hilarious and a ton of fun. Their friendship is perfect.
 
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Sometimes I wonder what the point of Vtubers is if most of them are just real people but with a cool avatar. I like the characters. The real people behind those characters are boring. I don't care about them. I care how the real person can use their talents to perform as this character they've created. I got into Vtubers to see these wacky and exaggerated anime characters interact with various things in character. It's a performance. It does seem like the EN tubers in particular have let their real life leak in a bit too much for my liking. It feels kind of parasocial to me. Like they want validation for themselves and not their Vtuber persona. Like an actor who wants you to like them and not the character they play on TV.

Basically I still miss Coco and I wish Kson didn't exist.
 
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Steinercard said:
It does seem like the EN tubers in particular have let their real life leak in a bit too much for my liking.
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After Myth's debut vtubing became more mainstream in the west and alot of streamer hopped on that train without caring about the kayfabe aspect.
Seems like Vesper and Altare don't hate each other after all. Can't believe /vt/ would lie to me like that.
 
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Sometimes I wonder what the point of Vtubers is if most of them are just real people but with a cool avatar. I like the characters. The real people behind those characters are boring. I don't care about them. I care how the real person can use their talents to perform as this character they've created. I got into Vtubers to see these wacky and exaggerated anime characters interact with various things in character. It's a performance. It does seem like the EN tubers in particular have let their real life leak in a bit too much for my liking. It feels kind of parasocial to me. Like they want validation for themselves and not their Vtuber persona. Like an actor who wants you to like them and not the character they play on TV.

Basically I still miss Coco and I wish Kson didn't exist.
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To be fair I'm not sure it's really possible to avoid getting lax on kayfabe if you're doing any sort of long-form, regular streaming content like is common in the EN scene. You'd need fixed shows like Salome to avoid it.
and while it absolutely is at least a little parasocial, a lot of the personalities behind the streamers are eminently likeable to the degree that they are the "character". I don't think Pippa really needs the pink rabbit RP to really sell herself, her audience will follow her around no matter what. I do miss Coco but I also happen to really like Kson, so I'm not too broken up about it.
 
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What I have found is that many v-tubers use the avatar as kind of an anonymous face.

You can't really be cancelled IRL if you get the twitter mob mad at you, I think this is why they are so butthurt at doxes.

You can be yourself without becoming a target. I mean, do you think we could speak our true minds if we all had our real face and address here attached to kiwi posts?

Take the pink rabbit, how many trannies would have tried to come to her house with a rape kit after her microdosing on gasp, wizard game?

Lucy and Filian and Melody can be their autistic lewd nerd or spaztic kid selves, and we see a cute girl instead of their moldy desks. Their keyboards are altars of Nurgle in their own right.
 
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Male Idiot said:
What I have found is that many v-tubers use the avatar as kind of an anonymous face.

You can't really be cancelled IRL if you get the twitter mob mad at you, I think this is why they are so butthurt at doxes.

You can be yourself without becoming a target. I mean, do you think we could speak our true minds if we all had our real face and address here attached to kiwi posts?

Take the pink rabbit, how many trannies would have tried to come to her house with a rape kit after her microdosing on gasp, wizard game?

Lucy and Filian and Melody can be their autistic lewd nerd or spaztic kid selves, and we see a cute girl instead of their moldy desks. Their keyboards are altars of Nurgle in their own right.
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I've always likened it to a puppet show. You're here to watch the puppet, not the puppeteer. It's part of why Aveneue Q sucks to actually watch.
 
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We get it, you like people.
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Nah, I hate people. I just want to see interesting characters be entertaining. I don't want real people to blog about their lives and what they did in a day. I feel like Vtubers are sitting on a potential new avenue to do something interesting. For a little bit I wanted to be a VTuber myself. But I'd want to be a cool character and act out as that character to a live audience. Creating a cool story or maybe even a full ARG. if I could I'd get other Vtubers involved and do a whole shared universe of stories with audience interaction. But I think what I want isn't what others want and that's okay. I might do the thing I want to at some point if I can find the time and money to justify doing it for free. I will enjoy my 2 views.

However people bring up Pippa, she's playing a character. That's why I like her. She's playing an interesting character. People in this thread got disapointed when it was revealed the real person didn't match the character. I don't mind because I have no interest in the real person. I just want the silly autistic rabbit woman. I don't mind that the real woman is basic and boring because I will never meet the real person. I just see the character.
 
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She Goddamned did it!
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and she did it with the other funny number of videos!
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May your fanbase be as faithful in the next two years as Urufugang is now.
 
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Steinercard said:
Sometimes I wonder what the point of Vtubers is if most of them are just real people but with a cool avatar.
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I've always thought of it as a way for people who think they're not attractive enough or may have other hang-ups about appearing on camera to become entertainers. It's a medium where personality is by far more important than appearance, so I think it's a way for average-looking people to level the playing field against the more attractive people.
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Nah, I hate people. I just want to see interesting characters be entertaining. I don't want real people to blog about their lives and what they did in a day. I feel like Vtubers are sitting on a potential new avenue to do something interesting. For a little bit I wanted to be a VTuber myself. But I'd want to be a cool character and act out as that character to a live audience. Creating a cool story or maybe even a full ARG. if I could I'd get other Vtubers involved and do a whole shared universe of stories with audience interaction. But I think what I want isn't what others want and that's okay. I might do the thing I want to at some point if I can find the time and money to justify doing it for free. I will enjoy my 2 views.

However people bring up Pippa, she's playing a character. That's why I like her. She's playing an interesting character. People in this thread got disapointed when it was revealed the real person didn't match the character. I don't mind because I have no interest in the real person. I just want the silly autistic rabbit woman. I don't mind that the real woman is basic and boring because I will never meet the real person. I just see the character.
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Think of any other medium where a person plays a character, and they're almost always going through a prewritten story. If you stay in character and just do the same shit with it day after day, it gets old. If you do something with it, like a storyline, that generally has to be planned out in advance, or it's going to suck. Otherwise you end up with Ax Cop levels of lolrandom bullshit, inconsistent characterization, repetitive storylines that never end, etc. That limits audience interaction, which is one of streaming's biggest advantages over legacy media. If you allow audience interaction to shape the story, you run into problems like too many creative visions colliding or most people being mediocre at best at storytelling. TTRPG players will probably tell you that when your group gets bigger than 4 to 6 player characters, it becomes an absolute clusterfuck. You're also going to run into a lot, and I mean a shit ton, of coomer degeneracy trying to work its way into your story.

I think at best, you could deliver storylines in short, finite doses. Have your audience help you write a play, then act it out. Then have your audience help you write a sequel or whatever, then act it out. That takes advantage of streaming's interactivity and may help avoid problems like a meandering story that never ends. If you act as the director/editor and help edit the script your audience comes up with, maybe you can avoid some of the problems that come with writing by committee, and maybe you can head off the inevitable feet feet ara ara booba feet mommy trampling bullshit.

ARGs are autistic as fuck and gayer than actual gay sex. If you cater to the ARG crowd, you only invite the gayest, most autistic children on earth to become parasocial with you.
 
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Steinercard said:
Sometimes I wonder what the point of Vtubers is if most of them are just real people but with a cool avatar. I like the characters. The real people behind those characters are boring. I don't care about them. I care how the real person can use their talents to perform as this character they've created. I got into Vtubers to see these wacky and exaggerated anime characters interact with various things in character. It's a performance. It does seem like the EN tubers in particular have let their real life leak in a bit too much for my liking. It feels kind of parasocial to me. Like they want validation for themselves and not their Vtuber persona. Like an actor who wants you to like them and not the character they play on TV.

Basically I still miss Coco and I wish Kson didn't exist.
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Steinercard said:
Nah, I hate people. I just want to see interesting characters be entertaining. I don't want real people to blog about their lives and what they did in a day. I feel like Vtubers are sitting on a potential new avenue to do something interesting. For a little bit I wanted to be a VTuber myself. But I'd want to be a cool character and act out as that character to a live audience. Creating a cool story or maybe even a full ARG. if I could I'd get other Vtubers involved and do a whole shared universe of stories with audience interaction. But I think what I want isn't what others want and that's okay. I might do the thing I want to at some point if I can find the time and money to justify doing it for free. I will enjoy my 2 views.

However people bring up Pippa, she's playing a character. That's why I like her. She's playing an interesting character. People in this thread got disapointed when it was revealed the real person didn't match the character. I don't mind because I have no interest in the real person. I just want the silly autistic rabbit woman. I don't mind that the real woman is basic and boring because I will never meet the real person. I just see the character.
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I'm kind of amused that the likes of Coco and Pippa are being touted as an example of chubas that are good at keeping up their kayfabe. Coco and Kson are literally just the same person just one of them doesn't say "haha I"m a dragon" from time to time, otherwise Coco was just as open about injecting her personal self into her streams short of doing the Kson facecam streams. The "silly autistic nutcase" as well is just Pippa's personality, there's a reason there's a near 1:1 overlap with how Pippa is and how she is on personal accounts/other stream accounts. People here or elsewhere "being disappointed" at some points wasn't because they discovered her "real person" and everything they knew prior was just a character, it was that peoples personalities have multiple facets and faces and they saw one they weren't used to seeing, the usual pippa is still a facet of her and actual person though.

truth is almost any vtuber that's live for more than a few hours a week for the most part drops the act down to a bare minimum, streaming as just themselves but then giving it a bare minimum lampshading of "oh haaha yeah I'm an anime character" Like legitimately the only holo I can think of who showed concern for character setting stuff at any point was in the early days of "kurokami" Fubuki showed concern about overusing the alter ego too much because "I was chosen to be fubuki not some other character" other than that every single holo down to the OGs in the company leaves kayfabe by the wayside 95% of the time. they're hiring basket case women to stream on the internet, not improv masters to uphold a character setting for 30 hours live on stream every week.
 
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Shart Attack said:
I've always thought of it as a way for people who think they're not attractive enough or may have other hang-ups about appearing on camera to become entertainers. It's a medium where personality is by far more important than appearance, so I think it's a way for average-looking people to level the playing field against the more attractive people.
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This is definitely true. Look at all the popular female fleshtubers, they all put a lot of effort into looking attractive and are not necessarily the most interesting or witty people (to say the least). Vtubing allows all of the wonky looking fem-NEETS who might be good entertainers or have a genuine overlap in interests with their nerdy audience to not have to rely on looks to pull an audience.
 
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Studley Roger said:
This is definitely true. Look at all the popular female fleshtubers, they all put a lot of effort into looking attractive and are not necessarily the most interesting or witty people (to say the least). Vtubing allows all of the wonky looking fem-NEETS who might be good entertainers or have a genuine overlap in interests with their nerdy audience to not have to rely on looks to pull an audience.
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Yeah, I think that is true. It is a lot like amateur comedians where you can tip them on a free show.

Some of them maybe slutty or skimpy, but most have at least something going other than looks.

Not all, for example I found Silvervale a bit bland, but she is just a thotty girl who makes happy girl noises and shakes her tits.

But she does seem like a nice and fun person, which is more than what most twitch thots can manage. Which is okey, many would find her relaxing.
 
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