General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[FlappyBat]

Edit: i have no idea how to archive if this should be

Null has a detailed post on how to archive here.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/archival-tools.6561/

archive.md should be your default for archiving web pages. Use it unless there is a reason not to (e.g. the content is behind a login wall).

 

[Airihead]

Null has a detailed post on how to archive here.

Edit: i noticed people saying that Nux used to be in with Vshojo and this is him burning that bridge but from my pov as a Nux watcher he was really only consistently hanging with Mousey, Mel, and MAAAAYBE froot

I can't recall him ever collabing with Nyan and from her bitching about him i see why

Meanwhile I've never seen him collab with Zen, Vei, or Silver

 

[thhrang]

Yuni's going live.

 

[FlappyBat]

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Edit: i noticed people saying that Nux used to be in with Vshojo and this is him burning that bridge but from my pov as a Nux watcher he was really only consistently hanging with Mousey, Mel, and MAAAAYBE froot

I can't recall him ever collabing with Nyan and from her bitching about him i see why

Meanwhile I've never seen him collab with Zen, Vei, or Silver

Fixed. The share post feature apparently adds some text in front of the link you want to copy.

 

[Nolan Crush]

A premiere, this is new

 

[thevoidseeall]

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[(iIivVvbBb-iIimMmvVv)]

From what I can glean by all the shit being flung around, it seems like Nux 'helped' VShojo, but not out of a sense of decency but more to grab for that sweet clout. Nyanners got pissed and sperged about it because Nux prematurely shot his heroic load and trumpeted it to the world, making VShojo all look amazingly incompetent in comparison.

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Spoiler: Contents

This has been a stressful week for many, and I'm confident and proud of the community and the efforts that went towards resolving things efficiently.

My latest video concerned someone that was maliciously impersonating Vshojo, and managed to trick individuals into giving personal information and doxing themselves and getting swatted. With the efforts of everyone involved, I believe this situation can be put behind us with the culprit behind these attacks having been brought to light. I do still fully stand by the need for raising awareness of phishing scams.

I'm incredibly glad Vshojo released a very well constructed cybersecurity statement addressing the situation, and you should all read it.

In regards to my video:
I worked with Vshojo on this for a while, as they mentioned in their statement in response to my video. I did show them my video before posting it, and I was not requested to refrain from uploading. The rumors that I had posted it regardless of being asked not to are untrue. Infact, leading up to the events of posting it, I was apart of a four hour conversation with their chief cybersecurity officer overseen by an executive of Vshojo and one of the members of the group.

I sincerely apologize if my actions have caused any undue stress on anyone, it was not my intention. I was only hoping to contribute to keeping the community safe.

Just going to throw my two-cents in. Yeah, the guy was definitely patting himself on the back way too much. However, this really has no bearing on an actual federal investigation whatsoever. It isn't going to push evidence into fruit-of-the-poisoned-tree territory. Also, incidentally, the only mistakes he pointed out to these asshats, that they could take advantage of, is to not be so loud about it, which they would have figured out if any form of statement would have been made. Which leads into the real thing want to say. Law Enforcement will always tell you to gtfo and let them do their job, for very good reason.

HOWEVER, when it comes to these crimes, specifically in the case of swatting, it is absolutely imperative that these warnings are promulgated repeatedly, openly, and clearly. Why? Well let's look at the scenario that could have happened.

Someone could have died. Nyanners and VShoujo are throwing a hissy-fit right now because they look bad? Imagine how bad they would look if a death occurred and not a word was said. The levels of hate and ill will heading their way would have been fucking legendary. One hundred percent, they would have been flamed as being partially responsible for the death. So not only are they getting fucked by the court-of-public-opinion, sure as shit at least Melody is going to have a nervous-breakdown from guilt. Bye-bye Vshoujo.

Am I being a bit melodramatic? Maybe, but this seems like a very real scenario that Nux, in his egotistical and cringe way, basically prevented in forcing the company to release something.

Edit:

Spoiler: Disclaimer/Mini-Rant

I just want to say that I genuinely do not have anything against any of these people. Nux can be a bit insufferable at times, but I believe that is his schtick and sometimes he can be entertaining. Never had a problem with Nyanners and I see any denouncement of pedophilia to be a win regardless of her hypocrisy. The rest of Vshoujo do not entertain me very much but they seem like regular people and I have nothing against them. I do have something against a corporation sitting around and playing games when lives are actually on line. The Feds can pull that shit because they are whale-hunting, and as a government agency they can legally play with your lives. . . not a goddamn VTuber company.

Edit_2: Ame is singing from The Greatest Showman. . . Fuck I love this song. Time to piss my neighbors off.

 

[What Bubble]

https://www.twitch.tv/ifeltieyeld also goes by the name Appyalpie on Twitter. Nijie name is あぴゃるぴえ, used to be 畏怖えると.
You can get the connection by taking the one futa NSFW image you can find under the name ifelt on the *booru site of your choice and plugging it into saucenao.com

 

[I am not here]

A premiere, this is new

its prerecorded but Ame's treating it like a livestream. Idk how the legalities of this "premier live"stream is gonna work out since she's singing songs that would get the DMCA lawyers at some recording labels all jizzed up and usually they strike these kinds of streams as they are being done. It is going to be unarchived, so.. coin toss.

Also, its very interesting/entertaining to not follow the thread continously, wait about a day and a half, and read through the pages as I have my morning brew.

 

[MR.T800]

TL;DR - Nux publicly calls Nyanners a liar.

Edit: Fascinating. Look at the comment section applauding him for 'helping VShojo' and saying 'Anyone complaining is bad'. Surely Nyanners isn't going to feel good about public opinion indirectly turning against her. I guess that's what happens when one person makes a public statement and another makes a members-only response.

This situation is on a lolcow trajectory.

It's starting to look like a turf war now, this kind of behavior shares a similar concept in the pimping/prostitution industry.

*just for fun*
The Pipe System: The Rabbit Hole
Clients or Customers > Simps and viewers whose job is to donate and spread rrats (us).
Advertisement > Clippers.
Prostitute sells sex to clients > VTuber sells GFE/parasocial relationship to simps.
Pimp or Madam > VTuber Agency Manager and occasional tard wrangling to make sure talents don't play monopoly (also involves protection/advertising etc...)
Trafficking > Groomers manipulating & recruiting broken girls and other indie talents.
Clubs or Bars > YouTube, Twitch, and membership etc...
Transporting Bitches> Hololive/Nijisanji transporting talents to the motion capture studios for VR concerts.
Bouncer > Chat moderators or jannies that do it for free.
Turf war > Manager/talent punishing schizos that fail to obey rules, Poaching indies and graduated talents from other agencies, Nepotism, Gatekeeping, Burning bridges, Busting doxxfags & Scammers etc...
[THIS PART] - Corporate warfare > Economic and Cyberwarfare (may involve espionage, "dirty PR tactics") just like what VShojo, Nyanners, and Nux fiasco happening atm.
Yagoo wannabes > Small talent agencies like VShojo/MyHoloTV/Tsunderia/PrismProject/Phase-Connect/CyberLive/Kawaii Productions, etc... Cookie Cutters (The Chads outside make sure these wannabes stay in their shithole and make less money).

Outside the rabbit hole:
BIG BOSS > Cover and Nijisanji the Chads leading the entire Vtuber business industry. Women applying for higher positions only get thrown back into the vtuber rabbit hole because there's money to be made.

That's pretty much the big picture for now. I wonder if GTA 6 will make parody reference to all this lol.

I guess some otaku weeb figured out how to turn anime fandom into a pimping business industry due to digital technology advancement.

 

[murdered meat bag]

It's probably feds involved and not saying it's right, but they have a few different ways they could fuck Nux for getting in the way of an open investigation.

Also, that part was a joke. Here's hoping they waterboard Nux and he's forced to testify before congress while whacked out on torture and sodium pentathol.

i honestly doubt the feds were involved despite vshojo's implications.

 

[murdered meat bag]

Boo.
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whats the clan name again? i dont tune in for the tera streams

 

[LunaKage]

My favorite part is how Nyanners directly targeted Nux, yet in his response Nux didn't mention Nyanners at all.

You know it's a bad look when FUCKING NUX is showing more class than you are.

 

[TrashBoost]

Am I being a bit melodramatic? Maybe, but this seems like a very real scenario that Nux, in his egotistical and cringe way, basically prevented in forcing the company to release something.

Nah it's a very real possibility. The swat team isn't there to fuck around, you give them any reason any type of resistance and you're getting fucking hurt. Possibilities like bullet holes or dog bites are very real.

Seems like Nux has the upper hand here mob-crowd mentality focuses on emotion more than logic and Nux spreading awareness whether it's him ego jerking triumphs over secret trust me I'm a corpo it's better you don't know BS. Plus he did it publicly while Nyanners did it behind the scenes.

In coming Nyanners talking about how this year has been bad for her and her family even though that has nothing to do with this swatter who apparently started in Oct 15 and was ended in a month.

 

[Doki doki]

whats the clan name?

Phase Connect.

whats the clan name again? i dont tune in for the tera streams

Here you go

 

[Fougaro]

Source.

 

[Airihead]

My favorite part is how Nyanners directly targeted Nux, yet in his response Nux didn't mention Nyanners at all.

You know it's a bad look when FUCKING NUX is showing more class than you are.

I agree i fully expected Nux lay into Vshojos statement but to my surprise he practically endorsed it and only defended against the notion he knowingly went against their wishes

 

[FlappyBat]

Never had a problem with Nyanners and I see any denouncement of pedophilia to be a win regardless of her hypocrisy.

As an aside, I thought much more negatively about Nyanners throwing her fans under the bus until I actually heard the pomf song. Holy shit, yes disavow that at a minimum. People say she has gone back to baiting in the same way, but I've seen nothing from her recently on that level at least.

 

[Scuttle]

Just going to throw my two-cents in. Yeah, the guy was definitely patting himself on the back way too much. However, this really has no bearing on an actual federal investigation whatsoever. It isn't going to push evidence into fruit-of-the-poisoned-tree territory.

It's worthy of note that it's actually not a KF rrat (mostly provided by me, hehe) that this interrupts legal proceedings. From VSHOJO's own Reddit statement, they make direct mention that the decision to remain silent was 'unanimoisly agreed' upon by both the law enforcement and Cybersecurity team.



Much like most things in life, you're going to trust that the professionals have everyone's best interests in mind. Keep in mind that the presence of law enforcement/cybersecurity is something that both VShojo and Nux agree existed, so there's no reason to doubt it.

Also, incidentally, the only mistakes he pointed out to these asshats, that they could take advantage of, is to not be so loud about it, which they would have figured out if any form of statement would have been made.

When I initially made my post I also believed that it served to tighten the doxxer's inner circle, however the statement mentions this:


And this:


Their insinuation here is that Nux Taku actually got jebaited into learning of the wrong personal details of the doxxer, and therefore didn't tangibly accomplish more than a testimony VSHOJO could utilise to build their case. This in and of itself creates a new can of worms as to why VSHOJO's official account thanked him in response to his video if that video was full of misinformation and inherently went against their wishes, though. I can only surmise the Admin didn't get the memo.

HOWEVER, when it comes to these crimes, specifically in the case of swatting, it is absolutely imperative that these warnings are promulgated repeatedly, openly, and clearly. Why? Well let's look at the scenario that could have happened.

Someone could have died. Nyanners and VShoujo are throwing a hissy-fit right now because they look bad? Imagine how bad they would look if a death occurred and not a word was said.

Speaking of misinformation, I'd like to expand upon where the statement conflicts with the content of Nux's video, as Nux seems to actually lay more blame at VShojo's doorstep than may actually be appropriate.

For example, Nux actually talks about the chronology of this story, whilst also mentioning that
• 12 V-Tubers were doxxed by this person.
• There were dozens - if not hundreds - of victims.

That may well be true, but the way Nux speaks, or at least fails to differentiate the doxxer's history and this particular VShojo-related scam, frames it as VShojo's management silencing a huge, potentially fatal scandal with many victims. Well, this is what they had to say:




The phishing scam that led to a fake replica of the official website hooked two victims, before being forcibly shut down less than a week later. With confirmation that both victims were safe and the scam had been halted, it does make sense to me that they'd elect to remain quiet and push for an arrest.

Of course, even if you take all this at face value, there are still questions that need to be asked:
• Who, if anyone, within the company allowed Nux to publish the video?
• Why did the official account respond to his video with a message of thanks, if him making the video and/or the content of the video wasn't endorsed by them?
• How is it physically possible for Nux's voice to be as eye-wateringly awful as it is?

 

[Airihead]

As an aside, I thought much more negatively about Nyanners throwing her fans under the bus until I actually heard the pomf song. Holy shit, yes disavow that at a minimum. People say she has gone back to baiting in the same way, but I've seen nothing from her recently on that level at least.

Personally while yes the lyrics are disgusting and i don't find myself wanting to listen to it again the song is clearly not meant to be serious so i find disavowing it to be on the level of denouncing any bad offensive joke

Which is to say its a joke not a dick don't take it too hard

Jokes are jokes disavowing should never be necessary