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Hololive doesn't need just japan, they've got the world.
But the world is making them less money than just Japan, and the argument was about the company successes
Is this even true to the general public, though? Like maybe they are bigger corpo-wise, but until Salome, the biggest peak viewerships were all Holo.
Yes. Nijisanji fame is virutally negligible overseas but in Japan they still top Hololive. It's really easy to check since we use different writing systems.


blue is holo and red is niji
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I'm adding also this youtube searches graph, since of course by the nature of the industry it's interesting too
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Is this even true to the general public, though? Like maybe they are bigger corpo-wise, but until Salome, the biggest peak viewerships were all Holo.
Yes. Hololive got largely known due to collabs, obviously people know who they are but prior to a lot of big name collabs that Hololive did, it wasn't the "general population" that were into it, whereas Nijisanji ticked a lot of more "general" marks not being marketed as virtual idols. The pandemic buff was massive worldwide, Kizuna Ai et all were still far more popular in Japan.
 
Niji still surpasses Hololive in Japan, where the real money is (we know that sponsorships, mainstream brands collaborations, merchandise are a bigger share of the revenue than whatever Susantube passes to the company after taking their share). In Japan Niji still is the most famous vtuber company, fact.
As a low-key numberfag myself that would be true if it were early 2020. At this current point in time Hololive has a higher number of live viewers on average across the board, been getting more frequent sponsorships from some major mainstream companies, been collaborating with a lot more of the actual anime industry, and their expansions within Indonesia as well in terms of sponsorships also add to that.

Nijisanji has only just now had a good hit in a while with Salome and made good progress in EN kinda it's more like China but still. If anything Anycolor had to downsize what with them having to merge ID and KR and slowing down JP debuts. They've also had some legal issues regarding sponsors like the nipple incident and plagiarism regarding merch.
 
It's modern day voice acting. The gender, sexual orientation and race of a faceless voice MUST match the character they are portraying.

I still won't touch Shadow Warrior 3 because they fired Lo Wang's VA for being white. Then signed on an awful Asian guy to replace him. And not even the same type of Asian as the character.

Being nonbinary and bi allows her to voice any character, even a fucking toaster. I'd say the same shit if I was in her shoes too.
So we went from an Asian character making jokes about his lil' Wang to id-pol. SW is dead.

Did Ina really need a dumptruck ass tho
I will happily throw your oshi under the bus if it means a womans upper back will no longer be overlooked. I can't believe armpits and feet got more love than neck and shoulders, before neck and shoulders.
 
IIRC, Hololive is more otaku-centric, while Nijisanji has a more normie following. So the Holos tend to have more ardent fans who are more likely to show up for the livestream, while the Nijjers have a broader but less intense viewership.
 
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As a low-key numberfag myself that would be true if it were early 2020. At this current point in time Hololive has a higher number of live viewers on average across the board, been getting more frequent sponsorships from some major mainstream companies, been collaborating with a lot more of the actual anime industry, and their expansions within Indonesia as well in terms of sponsorships also add to that.

Nijisanji has only just now had a good hit in a while with Salome and made good progress in EN kinda it's more like China but still. If anything Anycolor had to downsize what with them having to merge ID and KR and slowing down JP debuts. They've also had some legal issues regarding sponsors like the nipple incident and plagiarism regarding merch.
Honestly I don't have merch sales number and if you notice my phrasing I'm not implying to know which company made more money in those categories, but I was saying that in the country where those categories matter the most and bring the real revenue Nijisanji has a bigger share of the market.
We can infer that they make more but it's outside of what I was originally saying.


I'd just like to say that I like how it took one word for people to start sperging into a politifag frenzy, then a tribalfag frenzy.
let me just quote myself
Everything the US touches ends up poisoned, furthermore Washington delenda est.
 
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Honestly I don't have merch sales number and if you notice my phrasing I'm not implying to know which company made more money in those categories, but I was saying that in the country where those categories matter the most and bring the real revenue Nijisanji has a bigger share of the market.
We can infer that they make more but it's outside of what I was originally saying.
Nijisanji still holding the domestic market is something I think that's true more so because Salome was a booster shot in the arm to get things going again. The gap between Hololive and Nijisanji however in the domestic market is closer than ever with Hololive poised to overtake it just due to the fact that on average their netting more watchers for everyone of the talents.
 
Nijisanji still holding the domestic market is something I think that's true more so because Salome was a booster shot in the arm to get things going again. The gap between Hololive and Nijisanji however in the domestic market is closer than ever with Hololive poised to overtake it just due to the fact that on average their netting more watchers for everyone of the talents.
The two graphs tell two different stories in the domestic market so I don't know how to interpret them with only this data.
Hololive worldwide instead seems stuck in a slight decline at the moment.
Nijisanji worldwide is still so small that I don't think even the boost from the male waves can tell us anything interesting. They lost the first pandemic boost and that's not something you can replicate
 
The two graphs tell two different stories in the domestic market so I don't know how to interpret them with only this data.
There was a separate graph regarding overall company earnings back in March I believe and the main branch has a noticable in comparison to previous reports. Anycolor as whole in that graph would have had an overall decline in profits if it wasn't for Luxiem blowing up which brought them to the exact same amount of earnings as the previous report.
 
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Kiara will not stop gushing about Ame. AmeTori better not become TakaMori 2.0...

Also, Animal cover by Kiara and Reine (Maybe coming out TOMORROW). Going to be entirely in English.
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Given how much Ame contributed and the 3D only happened because of her, the gushing is justified.
I'd just like to say that I like how it took one word for people to start sperging into a politifag frenzy, then a tribalfag frenzy.
Which is why politics in vtubing is hated and why people sperging out is justified. If you allow any of it, you open the floodgates and it spreads to other vtubers, other branches, other corporations. Then it fucks up the communities and now everything is shit. The thread atmosphere could be enjoyable as we talk about Miko eating earthworm flavoured jellybeans, instead we are sperging out about troons and numberfagging.
 
Niji still surpasses Hololive in Japan, where the real money is (we know that sponsorships, mainstream brands collaborations, merchandise are a bigger share of the revenue than whatever Susantube passes to the company after taking their share). In Japan Niji still is the most famous vtuber company, fact.Also Japanese will literally pay with their tax money for your dick chopping surgery, keep it in mind for the future, it's better than opening a gofundme
Nigger what is the point of numberfagging here? What does the fish an EN Vtuber banning the word trap and literally crying about it have to do with how much money anycolor makes in JP and how they get a gazillion more views there? Its about the fish woman being retarded not salome.

Also "Also Japanese will literally pay with their tax money for your dick chopping surgery, keep it in mind for the future, it's better than opening a gofundme. They don't mind about it because they don't have the retarded US moral panic and related culture wars. Basically everything you wrote is wrong" .Very cute here is the reality Trannys are still considered mentally ill in Japan and you have to be sterilized before you can change sex. Gay marriage is also outlawed.
The article is old but the laws have not changed (unless you prove me wrong).
 
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