General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Thomas Talus]

I doubt vtubing as a mode of presentation is ever going to totally go away. The concept is too basic and well-suited to the medium.

 

[Sithis]

At what point does this girl need addiction counseling?

 

[Girlboy69]

Tranny sharks

Speaking of, haven't seen Artemis recommended recently.

 

[Osterry]

It's good for Cover's pockets but I feel bad for some of the JP girls who struggle to hit numbers even a third of that.

Gura has her large Senzawa audience from before that mostly seems to have migrated and is picking up that mainstream Twitch appeal because she has experience in that area, and more importantly, speaks English. I wonder if it will push more of the JP talents to engage more heartily with the western market seeing those numbers.

It's almost as if speaking and appealing to the largest market on the internet would translate to bigger number of subscribers!

 

[Thomas Talus]

Speaking of, haven't seen Artemis recommended recently.

I saw a thumbnail for "Artemis and Bao Play Connect Four," which I presume is trying to play off of Gura and Ame's A Way Out run.

 

[Gravemind]

It's almost as if speaking and appealing to the largest market on the internet would translate to bigger number of subscribers!

But m-muh JP streamer culture! Twitch streamer culture is t-toxic and annoying!

I'm all for doing your own thing irrespective of, or downright in spite of, what works for analytics and capitalizing on viewership, but, from a purely business standpoint, what works for a target demographic, works. Adapt and thrive is the name of the game.

 

[rrat master]

But m-muh JP streamer culture! Twitch streamer culture is t-toxic and annoying!

I'm all for doing your own thing irrespective of, or downright in spite of, what works for analytics and capitalizing on viewership, but, from a purely business standpoint, what works for a target demographic, works. Adapt and thrive is the name of the game.

The key is balancing the two, retaining your soul while still making a profit out of it (if you want to make money). Quality doesn't sell, and after a certain point you need to sacrifice quality for numbers. It's a balancing act.

 

[Potatohead]

Is this cringe or cancer?

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This faggot tried to off a chuuba for tracing art and bragged about getting them to Private, then tries to ride the Vtuber wave. Zero shame fuckhead, hope his debut crashes and burns.

 

[Takodachi]

Ina hard carrying Gura in portal.

 

[Gravemind]

The key is balancing the two, retaining your soul while still making a profit out of it (if you want to make money). Quality doesn't sell, and after a certain point you need to sacrifice quality for numbers. It's a balancing act.

You will never "retain your soul", as it were, if you ever decide to go full on sellout. Even at that, you will always be sacrificing some core part of who you are for as long as you stay in the game, because that's just the nature of the beast we know as "show business". I've said this a number of times already ITT but I'll repeat it once again: If you make a career out of something traditionally "fun", it will eventually stop being "fun" for you since you've effectively turned a pastime into a full time job.

I do believe there's also something to be said regarding the act of worming your way into certain social circles and turning the whole hobby for yourself into some autistic game of social intrigue. Networking's important to some degree, sure, but there's networking, and then there's doing whatever the fuck has been proposed ITT.

 

[Deluxe]

There aren't that many regular posters here, most people are just tourists. 4 out of like 15 active chuubas is a fair number. Myself and Tired Chuuba are the only two I can actually think of who bridge that gap but I do recall other people saying they wanted to get into it.

Only an idiot would admit to being a chuuba on the chuuba thread on kiwifarms.

There are a lot of people lurking this thread. Narratives posted here get disseminated really quick because outsiders see KF as hackers-on-steroids.

 

[Gravemind]

Only an idiot would admit to being a chuuba on the chuuba thread on kiwifarms.

There are a lot of people lurking this thread. Narratives posted here get disseminated really quick because outsiders see KF as hackers-on-steroids.

I don't know about "hackers-on-steroids" like "oldschool" 4chan, but the internet at large does tend to see KF as a den of bigoted cyberbullies and doxxers who are the scum of the earth. And considering how someone like the Salty boy has previously expressed a lack of concern with his ties to the Farms being openly acknowledged, not to mention the fact that he's left some breadcrumbs to identify his public presence outside the Farms, it would be ridiculously easy for any marginally dedicated sperg to find out those ties, trace them back to here, and throw him under the bus, thereby completely invalidating all of his social credibility in the eyes of, say, Domo's ratking.

 

[Rezza]

It's almost as if speaking and appealing to the largest market on the internet would translate to bigger number of subscribers!

But m-muh JP streamer culture! Twitch streamer culture is t-toxic and annoying!

I'm all for doing your own thing irrespective of, or downright in spite of, what works for analytics and capitalizing on viewership, but, from a purely business standpoint, what works for a target demographic, works. Adapt and thrive is the name of the game.

The problem, however, is that subs count in the end meant jack shit when your regular view and/or live viewers count is abyssmal. I think it was Hachaama herself who said that for vtubers, it's much more important to have lots of live viewers than subs count

 

[Girlboy69]

I always found the "KF is full of doxxing assholes and serial harassers" narrative amusing considering we have a rule against gayops and we call anyone wanting to be spoonfed dox a faggot.

 

[Friend computer]

The problem, however, is that subs count in the end meant jack shit when your regular view and/or live viewers count is abyssmal. I think it was Hachaama herself who said that for vtubers, it's much more important to have lots of live viewers than subs count

Yeah, retention is the name of the game.

Doesnt matter how much subs you have if you only get a small portion of the subs to click your videos.

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

I find those in the victim-hood Olympics hardly care if the truth matches their narrative, especially if their followers are, by default, just going to take what they say at their word. Add to that our calling a spade a spade (and a faggot a faggot), it's the path of least resistance and that demands less brainpower.

 

[Gravemind]

The problem, however, is that subs count in the end meant jack shit when your regular view and/or live viewers count is abyssmal. I think it was Hachaama herself who said that for vtubers, it's much more important to have lots of live viewers than subs count

Yeah, retention is the name of the game.

Doesnt matter how much subs you have if you only get a small portion of the subs to click your videos.

In that case, I'd say Gura's still doing fairly well for herself since her analytics are nothing to sneeze at most of the time.

 

[Deluxe]

Hololive kneels to the egg headed man

Coco made $50k superchats in two days. Rushia consistently rakes in $5k to $10k every stream. For perspective, Korone averages at $1k to $2k despite having double the live viewers. Live viewers isn't the most important stat for financial success on YouTube, demographics are. Only a small slice of live viewers will ever spend money on membership or superchat.

Also, memberships are basically locked in viewers and are probably the most important number to chuubas.

For an example of a small time chuuba with a low subcount (4.6k) but high earnings and high membership proportion, see Aoi Sakura. Her earnings are respectable despite her archives being under 10k views.

edit: removed the superchat part

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

Hololive kneels to the egg headed man
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Coco made $50k superchats in two days. Rushia consistently rakes in $5k to $10k every stream. For perspective, Korone averages at $1k to $2k despite having double the live viewers. Live viewers isn't the most important stat for financial success on YouTube, demographics are. Only a small slice of live viewers will ever spend money on membership or superchat.

Also, memberships are basically locked in viewers and are probably the most important number to chuubas.

For an example of a small time chuuba with a low subcount (4.6k) but high earnings and high membership proportion, see Aoi Sakura. Her earnings are respectable despite her archives being under 10k views.

edit: removed the superchat part

Idea: Make a Tim Pool Humpty Dumpty inspired chuuber. Then, make an Asacoco inspired "news" show where he reviews Babylon Bee posts mixed in with Cat Party news threads. No one will be able to tell what real, so they can't be offended.

 

[Deluxe]

I have been seeing zero clips on YouTube regarding VShojo members lately despite making no effort to curate my recommendations. I used to have Nyanners and Artemis clips recommended to me all the time but since the launch of VShojo, they've disappeared completely from my feed.

Has anyone else noticed this?

I think that clippers tagging them under #VShojo has negatively effected their exposure by making the algorithm realize that holo and niji watchers actually don't give a shit about EN chuubas at all. Before, it would be difficult to filter all of them, but now that they're all under one tag, YouTube's malevolent AI realizes that if a user ignores one #VShojo clip, it's likely they'll ignore other ones.