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Japanese copyright law is more stringent than American copyright law. From what I understand, members of Hololive typically have to receive permission from management even after Cover as a company receives permissions from the developers/publishers themselves.
I get that but is the Japanese government going to lock them up for streaming stuff from a company that actively says it's good to stream their games? I can understand having to ask Jap devs but having to ask western ones doesn't make much sense.

Also some of them need to play Ori, partially because it's fun and partially because I've never seen a woman who can get through Ori and not cry at least once which is always funny to me.
 
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Japanese copyright law is more stringent than American copyright law. From what I understand, members of Hololive typically have to receive permission from management even after Cover as a company receives permissions from the developers/publishers themselves.
What makes it even more murky is when you take into account that Cover is officially and physically located in Japan, which is one of the reasons why you see their foreign talent also held up by the same rules. Essentially, Cover has to operate by those specific Japanese laws, so any company can issue litigation against them with those bounds. This also includes American game and software developers. A streamer and company in the U.S. is protected by U.S. law and norms from American and Japanese litigation. Japanese companies don't have that protection at all. . . so that is why you can see U.S. game developers screwing them over without a tradition of doing so on the homefront. . . it is because they can.

Of course, subsidiaries make this relationship more complex, but Cover doesn't have a foreign located subsidiary so that is moot.
 
I get that but is the Japanese government going to lock them up for streaming stuff from a company that actively says it's good to stream their games? I can understand having to ask Jap devs but having to ask western ones doesn't make much sense.

Also some of them need to play Ori, partially because it's fun and partially because I've never seen a woman who can get through Ori and not cry at least once which is always funny to me.
It's a blanket rule to prevent a repeat of an earlier incident that required Mio to go on hiatus for three months. Until recently, Cover let the talent play whatever games they wanted from what I can tell but after that incident, this new rule was instituted. It also prevents antis from going on a tirade about the talent not having permissions, which is a thing for some reason.

Basically, it's a proactive measure to prevent copyright strikes from companies and harassment from antis.

What makes it even more murky is when you take into account that Cover is officially and physically located in Japan, which is one of the reasons why you see their foreign talent also held up by the same rules. Essentially, Cover has to operate by those specific Japanese laws, so any company can issue litigation against them with those bounds. This also includes American game and software developers. A streamer and company in the U.S. is protected by U.S. law and norms from American and Japanese litigation. Japanese companies don't have that protection at all. . . so that is why you can see U.S. game developers screwing them over without a tradition of doing so on the homefront. . . it is because they can.

Of course, subsidiaries make this relationship more complex, but Cover doesn't have a foreign located subsidiary so that is moot.
Have any western companies actually caused a problem for them? I thought the main antagonists were largely Japanese-based.

Edit: Sorry for the double post. Am new, retarded, and tired.
 
I get that but is the Japanese government going to lock them up for streaming stuff from a company that actively says it's good to stream their games?
Copyright violation is generally prosecuted as a tort, not a crime.

Also, just because you have express permission from the rights holder to stream their content doesn't mean YouTube won't wrongly flag you for it, as we just saw with Coco.
 
I get that but is the Japanese government going to lock them up for streaming stuff from a company that actively says it's good to stream their games? I can understand having to ask Jap devs but having to ask western ones doesn't make much sense.
The issue is the copyright strikes on their channels. Those strikes stay on your channel's record and you only get a certain number of strikes on your channel before YouTube deletes it for it.

See Kiara's recent issue with being shadowbanned and having a lot of her recent 2-month videos being deleted (which was later restored). That shit fucks with your monetization and any kind of analytics you want to present later on when negotiating for business partnerships & sponsorship deals.
 
Have any western companies actually caused a problem for them? I thought the main antagonists were largely Japanese-based.
Honestly, I don't think so. However, it exists as a possibility. It also explains why the EN and ID talents follow those same rules when they are not located in Japan. The mother company would be the one at fault as the agency. So those are just more reasons why Cover is cautious about these kinds of things.
 
A bit on all that jazz being discussed.
Kinda ridiculous that she still has to get specific permissions while collaboration is ongoing from what I understand.

Also,

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Remember how Mio got fucked over? They were waiting for those strikes to timeout.
 
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checking again on our son 3D reveal VoD, and holy shit it already been seen 1mill less than 24 hours. and the couple minutes after he revealing he going to have 3D debut, he already earn 1k usd from supachat that mostly coming from JP. i dont expect his viewer that generous comparing with the hologirl
 
Just kinda related to Karen's upcoming tour with FAKE TYPE. Curious if Cover/Hololive has any prior experience handling any of their virtual talents' roommates also having relatively high-profile, public facing careers.

Of particular note is that this is going to be Karen's first public performance as DEMONDICE ever since she debuted as Calliope Mori (at least, as far as I'm aware of). With her alternate persona as DEMONDICE being an open secret, anyone here think she might run into some gachikoi issue during the tour?
Isn't the JP boys scare shitless of Mori' "Yeah I shoot gun before" and "I pepper-sprayed myself" Calliope? She'll be fine. Plus, coming to the unfriendly country alone as a teen and not only survive but thrive in it, I'm sure she know how to deal with this type.
I doubt the worst of autistic otaku have enough balls to go to underground rapper live anyway. They would piss themselves at the door.
 
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I leave for a day and you fucks burn through almost 10 pages, jesus.
I'm not trying to push a numbers game, but when it comes to a 3d debut, I think Cover will find a way to have something come about when possible.
Cover might want and be interested in that sort of thing, but the question is if Ms. “I always have interest accruing on my card and never pay it off fully to build credit” Watson and “1, 2, 5?” “5x5=35” shark are capable of parsing the paperwork for visas and passports. And whether or not they can claim Vtubing as a successful career in the eyes of the United States government to obtain said visas and passports. I’m not too well versed in geopolitics and ongoing international travel restrictions due to the bat flu, but imagine those must also factor in whether or not the ENs can get/continue doing 3D in the Cover officex
which then got lost in the ether when Cover at the time overcompensated by mass deleting a lot of these VODs instead of merely privatizing them.
Weren’t Subaru’s vids the only ones that got nuked instead of permanently privated? In practice, its the same thing, but I still want to have it out there that theoretically all but a few videos could still be unprivated someday (similar to Sora’s Instant Heaven cover, which is still stuck in limbo on her channel despite Pekora’s Discommunication Alien being back up, when both of the base songs are by the same label/musicians.)

Probably an autistic question but that's never stopped me from asking questions before. How exactly does the "permission" shit work? Are they needing permission from management or do they just need it from the dev/publisher? If it's the developer I can really only think of Atlus that puts restrictions on that kind of stuff, some other Jap devs probably do too but thats only jap devs. I can't think of any western developer or publisher that actively tells people not to stream their games. Hell companies like Microsoft/Xbox have had clear cut rules on streaming/making videos using their games for almost 2 decades thanks to machinima and they're basically just "Don't use our assets to make another game or break the law". So is it just management dictating what games they think will attract viewers?
Permissions are fucking weird, and if Gura’s Muse Dashes are anything to go by, ultimately it’s the publisher that has full say on whether or not someone can stream their game. It’s just that western publishers know better than to try and kill the source of free advertisement for their games by disrupting the status quo of streaming (is it transformative enough for seperate monitization?) and/or they learned their lesson from Nintendo getting shit on by the general public for their attempts at trying to prevent content from leaking onto Youtube in the early 2010s by copyright claiming left and right.
I get that but is the Japanese government going to lock them up for streaming stuff from a company that actively says it's good to stream their games? I can understand having to ask Jap devs but having to ask western ones doesn't make much sense.
It’s more that the “wronged” party can (and almost did, in the case of Capcom and Mio) choose to nuke someone’s channel if they or their parent company is using the wrong kind of permissions (Capcom’s at least chosen to extend an olive branch, what with Mio getting merch advertised/made by them). So, to compensate for the fuckup that was the permissions arc, Cover is now extremely paranoid in getting express permission companywide set in stone before their talents stream new games.
 
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checking again on our son 3D reveal VoD, and holy shit it already been seen 1mill less than 24 hours. and the couple minutes after he revealing he going to have 3D debut, he already earn 1k usd from supachat that mostly coming from JP. i dont expect his viewer that generous comparing with the hologirl
That 1 million view count might be a botched translation from your browser, sadly.
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On the bright side, he earned a healthy amount in superchats from it.
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Hope that gets blown out of the water at his debut. He deserves it.

In other news
A JP indie bear who's stuck in Windows XP goes to /vt/ to ask for advice and it somehow doesn't end in disaster.
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poppy predates haachama by a few years with creepy/disturbing shit, and is/was way bigger, since I only know about it because my normalfag mates couldn't shut up about it. there's probably a lot more I've never heard off.

it also doesn't take anything "dark" for someone to go off the rails. remember kpop fans happily adopted a moniker based on someone driving off a bridge with his pregnant girlfriend in the trunk. so what's cover gonna do when someone offs himself and his family because "SHE DIDN'T REPLY TO MY SUPERCHAT!!!!11!"? disable superchats? disband the company? you can't really protect yourself from bad PR.
I have no bloody clue who Poppy is; I meant in regards to vtubers doing dark shit.

Also first time in a long time I've seen someone bring up 'stan''s origins (Stan by Eminem). It's like people have completely forgotten that the level of obsession deserving of the title Stan is inherently self-mutilating and incredibly dangerous *coughDREAMcough*
 
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Cover is careful about copyright because there are holoantis that basically report every video regardless of it's actual status. There's an ongoing futaba thread on the vtuber board specifically for reporting new videos.

Ichikara works the same way so their situation is not unique.
 
Cover is careful about copyright because there are holoantis that basically report every video regardless of it's actual status. There's an ongoing futaba thread on the vtuber board specifically for reporting new videos.

Ichikara works the same way so their situation is not unique.
So because they're getting swamped with fake reports, they don't want Youtube needing to actually act on any of them...
 
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So because they're getting swamped with fake reports, they don't want Youtube needing to actually act on any of them...
It seems to be that the fight isn't worth it at this point. It really is to protect talent in this case. Youtube 'acting' on it is a crapshoot, and the speed of that action is also painstaking. The loss in revenues to the company, and the talent is probably not worth taking a stand until they grow larger or receive a stake from a larger, more important backer.
 
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The moment I leave the room in Mario Kart, Coco comes in and takes my place (both rooms had the same Miis, including a Brolly mii from DBZ).

I'm not even that mad, it was actually pretty funny.
 
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