General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

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Wandering Lurker said:
As a Hana simp I can explain a bit from what I've heard (salt grain etc etc etc). I think I remember Soda being the one that clipped basically every moment her dad (aka: Papa Macchia) said something remotely funny from a few Fall Guys streams she did with him which did end up boosting her popularity... but the new audience of viewers wanted to see Her Dad and Her being more in the backseat rather than just watch Hana herself (and maybe her dad drives by), which is honestly rude because the channel is Hana Macchia Ch. In a later stream Papa Macchia said "he's reluctant to even appear anymore" probably because of clipfags like him taking everything he does and making multiple clips of it and having a bunch of new viewers annoying Hana in chat with "when's your dad coming on?" Along with this Hana is reluctant to do stuff like free talk streams because of people like Soda who effectively clip everything remotely funny (whether or not she's involved like the "Hi Honey" "meme") causing her Free Talk/Chat streams to become "do the meme, Hana, dance for us monkey" which she has expressed disdain for. At least when she's only streaming video games or doing a rare karaoke stream she doesn't have to deal with those sorts of requests and if anything has reason to time out those people in chat for being "off topic chat".
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A quick YouTube search for "Papa Macchia" shows mostly Sodafunk's channel, even a weird Logan Paul "apology video" showed up.

Though, digging deeper, I did find Sodafunk explicitly stating the artist of his art saying he could use his art for his channel.

He also made a post 10 months ago asking people to stop asking for Papa Macchia to appear. But even after that, kept making clips about her Dad. Just included a small: "Please don't ask where Papa is when Hana's streaming without Papa." in his clips.

It's a bit of a shame. Hana is one of my favorite vtubers and knowing she gets overshadowed by her Dad of all things is just kinda disappointing. We're here to simp girls and milfs, not troons and dilfs.
One thing I've loved about Hana the 7-8 months I've watched her is that she keeps it real. She calls shit out she dislikes. Whether through humor or anything else. Its not like when When Ollie went ballistic towards Indonesian monolingual retards, But having her publicly reply to marshmallows asking what's wrong telling them to basically fuck off is one of the reasons I enjoy her a lot. I wish Matsuri could learn from her example someday.

Sidenote, am I the only one who finds any clipping channel that abused The Spiffing Brit's "Use community polls and leave a comment to cheat the algorithm" trick a bit despicable?

Cause goddamn.
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But at the end of the day, all publicity is good publicity, it just helps to drag more and more people into the vtuber rabbithole of entertainment. I have a lot of respect for clipping channels that bother to do some basic work (Like adding subtitles, even if its in the same language as what's spoken) and genuinely believe they should monetize their channels. This, of course, goes for SodaFunk Ch. As well**. They're running near 24/7 coverage ad generation. While I personally found Hana Macchia through the whole "Bring her to 200k before New Year!" in the last week of December 2020, I imagine at least some of her success comes from SodaFunk simping her to such a high degree prior to HololiveMyth.

As for the whole, stealing artwork without permission, using lewd thumbnails and such to boost viewership, its despicable. At the very least SodaFunk sources their thumbnail in the description, but given the fact he monetizes his channel I genuinely believe he should pay some dividends to the thumbmail makers, and at the very least ask for fucking permission before using their picture.

My honest take is, SodaFunk starting to stream is an excellent idea. I don't care if its a voice changer or if he actually paid that fiverr girl to appear for a hour while he himself moderated the chat/her content. His 1 hour stream has 269k views, which is more than Gura's Taco Bell stream (at present time, no doubt the Taco Bell stream will catch up eventually) and Kiara's Tales of Arise interview. There's clearly a demand there. Whether its him catfishing viewers using a voice changer, hiring the fiverr girl and acting as a manager, having done extensive voice training* or whatever else. So what if Ollie simps and promotes it? If he's a guy there's no way he'll get into Hololive, and Ollie interacting with indies is nothing new. If he's catfishing and making money off lonely incels like most female vtubers, so what? Its not like they have any better shot at getting with Hana or Ollie or Gura. I understand other translators stepping in to point out the hard, solid facts, that the channel owner is a dude and that they don't agree with his methods. But if people want to cancel him I'd say that's going too far. I'd rather watch and hear people fangasm about Sodafunk than Artemis of the Blue any day of the week. But yeah, people actually getting mad at people for going "Uh, SodaFunk Ch. Is a dude" is rather dumb as well.

Overall, its just an interesting situation. Will SodaFunk actually debut and become a vtuber, using an avatar based on Nozomi Kasaki from Hibike! Euphonium? I imagine KyoAni wouldn't be too kind about that. And considering they own the entire Hibike! Franchise (bought it up after it won a contest before they started animating the first season) there's nothing stopping them from saying no. Will SodaFunk release an OC, have it rigged and stream using it? Change their entire channel art to the new character? I wouldn't be surprised if his latest push for monetization has been to be able to commission Lyytoaoitori (Artist of his current appearance) into drawing an OC, and paying a good rigger, like whoever did Snuffy, to make him an avatar.

Will more clippers follow in his stead? All the big clipping channels have sizable followings of vtuber fans that has with SodaFunk clearly shown themselves willing to simp for clippers themselves. I could imagine myself watching an Osekkai stream as he seems like an entertaining fellow, as a quick example.

*This is a MtF transgender's natural voice after years of voice training

EDIT: **After checking through Soda's latest clips, it seems he hasn't put subtitles on for months. I don't think he's justified putting in monetization in the slightest after learning this. While my opinion is just one of many, I don't want anyone to think I actually defend this mooch when he can't even spend 10 minutes doing the basic work of adding same-language subtitles, which is something he did in the past and why I originally began enjoying his clips, as I am of hard hearing.
 
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I've honestly heard of sodafunk from other Hana Macchia clips on youtube, by the side, but never really dedicated more than a minute or two to thinking about it.

Clippers, they way I see them, are like the fouling that accrues underneath a ship, as it travels through the oceans. They are inevitable, but you can remove them and apply anti-fouling coating to the lower hull to slow their growth.

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agility_ said:
I've honestly heard of sodafunk from other Hana Macchia clips on youtube, by the side, but never really dedicated more than a minute or two to thinking about it.

Clippers, they way I see them, are like the fouling that accrues underneath a ship, as it travels through the oceans. They are inevitable, but you can remove them and apply anti-fouling coating to the lower hull to slow their growth.

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Same way you can report to Cover for monetizing clips that doesn't even fall under fair use since it's not derivative in anyway. Take 1 or 2 mins of a stream add the outro upload, easy money. Good riddance Sodafunk I barely even know ya.
 
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Incoherent Rambling said:
Same way you can report to Cover for monetizing clips that doesn't even fall under fair use since it's not derivative in anyway. Take 1 or 2 mins of a stream add the outro upload, easy money. Good riddance Sodafunk I barely even know ya.
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Honestly looking at some of SodaFunk's latest, sub 1 minute clips, he's not even subtitling them anymore. I take back what I said about finding SodaFunk's monetization fair, if this mockery of cell organisms can't even spend the time to subtitle the clips he gets over 100k views (with the accompanying ad revenue) on anymore, he shouldn't be allowed to monetize his shit.
Looking at his channel uploads proper, its literally just clickbait. No idea what game any of his clips are about, the context, or even what they'll be about. Some stolen artwork thumbnail, clickbait title that might be a quote from the video, or a short comment he has to say about it.

When did he stop subtitling shit? He even had his own special weird ass font that made his videos stand out somewhat. I feel disgusted for the fact I defended him in this thread previously.
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It sucks because there are clippers who do amazing work, subtitling 20-30 minute videos assembled across multiple streams where a vtuber repeatedly discussed a particular topic, or streams with multiple points of view, selecting the key moments from all of them and subtitling them all and they get less views and attention

and then there's people who just clip "Veibae talks about how much she loves cocks" with a thumbnail that says I LOVE COCK in big letters that get 750k views a video
 
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Maybe I have shit taste, but I'm pretty okay with people doing lazy clips. Not everyone is going to jump into a 2 hour stream of someone they haven't already watched or give some small indi a try.

Having clips act like highlights for a stream, even with nothing else added, is a good way to find new streamers or get new fans. It's also nice to be able to watch a couple clips to see if you like the game or topic the streamer is doing before deciding to watch the full stream.

Also, Selen has the best intro of Nijisanji EN even if it looks like they're trying to replicate the Subaru duck success.

 
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It's not fun when they know how to shut up instead of making a cow of themselves. Shame. I had so much hope for this one.
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Let it simmer. SodaFunk and his shenanigans isn't the cow. Its fresh grass for cows to graze at for years to come. Purely from an entertainment view, hope that he is successful. For if he is, imitations will follow. Look at how much money he made from his Freetalk stream. Other clip channels are taking note, as are indie vtubers who "want to hit it big".
If SodaFunk doesn't mess this up, people will emulate it. We might have 4-5 cows making absolute asses of themselves within the end of 2022, because they grazed at the grass which SodaFunk laid.


FlappyBat said:
Maybe I have shit taste, but I'm pretty okay with people doing lazy clips. Not everyone is going to jump into a 2 hour stream of someone they haven't already watched or give some small indi a try.

Having clips act like highlights for a stream, even with nothing else added, is a good way to find new streamers or get new fans. It's also nice to be able to watch a couple clips to see if you like the game or topic the streamer is doing before deciding to watch the full stream.
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You're missing the point of discussion entirely. Its not whether lazy clips are okay or not, clips are just free advertisement for the girls and is overwhelmingly okay, unless what's being clipped is something the girls have explicitly stated they don't want clipped (and not in a jokingly 'DON'T CLIP IT!!' manner) like Ayame not wanting to be clipped as part of singing collabs.
The discussion is whether lazy clippers hold the moral justification to be monetized or not.
 
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Glavetomas said:
Let it simmer. SodaFunk and his shenanigans isn't the cow. Its fresh grass for cows to graze at for years to come. Purely from an entertainment view, hope that he is successful. For if he is, imitations will follow. Look at how much money he made from his Freetalk stream. Other clip channels are taking note, as are indie vtubers who "want to hit it big".
If SodaFunk doesn't mess this up, people will emulate it. We might have 4-5 cows making absolute asses of themselves within the end of 2022, because they grazed at the grass which SodaFunk laid.



You're missing the point of discussion entirely. Its not whether lazy clips are okay or not, clips are just free advertisement for the girls and is overwhelmingly okay, unless what's being clipped is something the girls have explicitly stated they don't want clipped (and not in a jokingly 'DON'T CLIP IT!!' manner) like Ayame not wanting to be clipped as part of singing collabs.
The discussion is whether lazy clippers hold the moral justification to be monetized or not.
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Then to expand I guess. The viewer is getting something good out of it. The streamer is getting something good out of it. I don't really care if the clipper is getting something good out of it in terms of ad revenue. Especially for short clips, sure copying large parts of a stream is a different issue.
 
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It sucks because there are clippers who do amazing work, subtitling 20-30 minute videos assembled across multiple streams where a vtuber repeatedly discussed a particular topic, or streams with multiple points of view, selecting the key moments from all of them and subtitling them all and they get less views and attention

and then there's people who just clip "Veibae talks about how much she loves cocks" with a thumbnail that says I LOVE COCK in big letters that get 750k views a video
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Yup. It's not an even playing field at all, unfortunately.

I've just found a channel that is doing 20-30min English subbed clips of every Niji captain's streams of PowerPro for the Koushien tournament. Which means they're releasing these huge compilations only a day or two after the original stream and have been doing that consistently for the last week or so. Barely breaking 5K views.

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There's lots of reasons for this (clickbait works, familiarity with the streamer, the size of clips etc) but overall it's clear that the demand is for people like SodaFunk who can give them quick and easy satisfaction rather than hardworking translators who can offer new and insightful clips from all kinds of V-Tubers.
 
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