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[Trig.Point]

Ian McCollum guested on a Podcast about Chinese history. The guy presenting it seemed worried at first about asking questions that might be too detailed, but after a while they really started to get into the Warlord era, and it was obvious Ian knew his stuff.

Actually using the Qing Dynasty's system of regional arms manufacturing, to illustrate the wider batshit crazy policies that led to rise of the Warlords was a great introduction to what's an extremely complicated time in chinese history.

Also he flat out said that the best resources for studying Chinese firearms are in the US, so he's obviously not trying to put a gloss on it for a chinese audience.

CHP Special Episode | Ian McCollum & Pistols of the Warlord Era — Teacup Media

In this special CHP Special Episode, Laszlo is thrilled to welcome Mr. Ian McCollum to discuss his new book Pistols of the Warlord: Chinese Domestic Handguns, 1911-1949 .

teacup.media

 

[Corn Flakes]

Also he flat out said that the best resources for studying Chinese firearms are in the US, so he's obviously not trying to put a gloss on it for a chinese audience.

I remember Ian being critical of things like the Cultural Revolution and other measures implemented by the CCP that completely wrecked China's ability to study its own history with any kind of rigor. So yeah, he's not really making this for the Chinese, even if the book ends up getting sold there and he tried to consult to make sure the translated title makes sense. There's a good chance the book will move a lot more copies in Hong Kong and Taiwan than it will in the mainland.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

@Sleazy Car Salesman Carnik con was one of the greatest gun channels of all time and I miss it and Dugan.

Same man.

I remember Ian being critical of things like the Cultural Revolution and other measures implemented by the CCP that completely wrecked China's ability to study its own history with any kind of rigor. So yeah, he's not really making this for the Chinese, even if the book ends up getting sold there and he tried to consult to make sure the translated title makes sense. There's a good chance the book will move a lot more copies in Hong Kong and Taiwan than it will in the mainland.

Ian McCollum guested on a Podcast about Chinese history. The guy presenting it seemed worried at first about asking questions that might be too detailed, but after a while they really started to get into the Warlord era, and it was obvious Ian knew his stuff.

Actually using the Qing Dynasty's system of regional arms manufacturing, to illustrate the wider batshit crazy policies that led to rise of the Warlords was a great introduction to what's an extremely complicated time in chinese history.

Also he flat out said that the best resources for studying Chinese firearms are in the US, so he's obviously not trying to put a gloss on it for a chinese audience.

CHP Special Episode | Ian McCollum & Pistols of the Warlord Era — Teacup Media

In this special CHP Special Episode, Laszlo is thrilled to welcome Mr. Ian McCollum to discuss his new book Pistols of the Warlord: Chinese Domestic Handguns, 1911-1949 .

teacup.media

Chinese history and culture is really weird, because when you think about it the modern PRC really is only about eighty years old. Sure they claim to be the successors of the old Chinese governments and old Chinese culture, but Mao did everything in his power to erase that stuff from the minds of the Chinese.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Chinese history and culture is really weird, because when you think about it the modern PRC really is only about eighty years old. Sure they claim to be the successors of the old Chinese governments and old Chinese culture, but Mao did everything in his power to erase that stuff from the minds of the Chinese.

Really it's a lot younger than 80 years. The worst convulsions of the Cultural Revolution didn't end until the 70s and China was still undergoing internal change. The country's history might as well just be the last 40 years in terms of institutions, people, policies, etc. They threw away so much of even the Maoist era after Mao died.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

@Pocket Dragoon What is your opinion on the G36 scope, is it good, bad, or other?

Compared to a contemporary like the Steyr AUG (I've never handled an L85A2), the integral scope was easier to use; the G36's just felt more natural to my eye, and presented a more comfortable & intuitive sight picture.
The Steyr's scope was also harder to use when not keeping a solid cheek weld, and keeping both eyes open for co-witnessing doesn't really work. as you can do with the G36's reflex sights.

As @Vecr said, modern sights are better; but for the time the Germans had the best integral sights, even if they were constantly running out of battery. The Tavor presents a similar experience to the G36, although my opinion is the older sight is still better.

 

[Club Sandwich]

opinion on the G36 scope

depends on which one you are talking about. the Hensoldt red dot on the G36 and G36A1 was pretty bad - poor visibility and battery life. the 1.5x and 3x optics are pretty decent for what they were.

A3

M16A3's are extremely rare outside of the Navy and even then practically non-existent since they were a special order item - during my years doing armory duty i saw a lot of oddballs and kit bashed weapons, but never an A3. at least not in Army inventories.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

M16A3's are extremely rare outside of the Navy and even then practically non-existent since they were a special order item - during my years doing armory duty i saw a lot of oddballs and kit bashed weapons, but never an A3. at least not in Army inventories.

Seems you're right; my fucking memory isn't what it used to be, and it's been getting a lot worse.
Thanks for squaring it away & locking that particular Mandela up. We definitely did not have FA rifles.

the Hensoldt red dot on the G36 and G36A1 was pretty bad - poor visibility and battery life

Agreed on the batttery life; that's one thing I do remember distinctly; the Germans replacing the batteries first thing during schützenschnur, before walking onto the firing line.

I personally didn't have an issue with visibility, especially compared to the AUG. It was a lot more comfortable to use with glasses or a promask with compared to the Steyr, which also (for me at least) required an almost perfect cheek weld to use. But I personally didn't have any problem spotting the reticle or FoV issues. But then again, my eyes are universally trash, so it's possible that what was an improvement for me is shit for people with normal eyes.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

The G36 does not melt. but if you shoot it alot in hot conditions (like afganistan and iraq) the barrel may shift in the polymer. this is not good for longer ranges. they just do not like sustained suppression fire that was/is the norm in the middle east.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

What in the god damn?

 

[Corn Flakes]

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The G36 does not melt. but if you shoot it alot in hot conditions (like afganistand and iraq) the barrel may shift in the polymer. this is not good for longer ranges.

Not gonna lie, the first thought to cross my mind when I saw those photos was "why is someone posting close-up pictures of Star Wars movie props?".

 

[WhoBusTank69]

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The G36 does not melt. but if you shoot it alot in hot conditions (like afganistand and iraq) the barrel may shift in the polymer. this is not good for longer ranges.

If you click the images you embed while making a post, you can resize them. Please spare our eyes, thank you.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Thanks for the context, appreciate it. From one newfag to another, I welcome you.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Thanks for the context, appreciate it. From one newfag to another, I welcome you.

I can forgive him, he's only a retard sometimes.

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On topic, here's a couple of videos from our favorite internet personalities.

 

[Club Sandwich]

do not like sustained suppression fire

this, very much. no mag dumping. the M4A1 has a similar issue after they added full auto to it burning out gas tubes if you mag dump 20 magazines through it.

forgive the blurry picture, it's "early AM" my time, but this is why you had heavy barrel variations for MG36 and others, to act as a heatsink for the trunnion and move heat away from the polymer areas with a large thermal mass. that, alongside sane firing schedules will work fine. on my G36K, i use a heavy barrel since a demo gun has erratic firing schedules, especially if used for theatrical effects.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

... sustained suppression fire that was/is the norm in the middle east.

I don't know much about habits post-'09 and things have definitely changed, but downrange between '04 to '07 (except most of '06), I never saw them carried & used by anyone other than the guys who looked like they needed them, and definitely weren't wearing any patches. They were also the types who knew better than to cook their cans. I'd like to think high-speed Germans were also of the same mindset.

As for my own experience, I was once blessed by witnessing real operators in action; they left the suppressing fire to the crew-serves, and were making slow, aimed shots.
It was one of the few times I wasn't riding behind my 50 and could watch what was going on, having also been blessed by being a TC that day.

But now that cans are fairly common, even in normal line units (Marines especially, they get all the good shit), mag-dumps through suppressors happen often, mostly because now troops can just walk to the armsoom and DX it with on-hand replacements.

But when the initial G36 drama went down, it wasn't a time when that kind of thing happened often, and especially because the Germans were doing as little of the heavy as possible.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

I don't know much about habits post-'09 and things have definitely changed, but downrange between '04 to '07 (except most of '06), I never saw them carried & used by anyone other than the guys who looked like they needed them, and definitely weren't wearing any patches. They were also the types who knew better than to cook their cans. I'd like to think high-speed Germans were also of the same mindset.

As for my own experience, I was once blessed by witnessing real operators in action; they left the suppressing fire to the crew-serves, and were making slow, aimed shots.
It was one of the few times I wasn't riding behind my 50 and could watch what was going on, having also been blessed by being a TC that day.

But now that cans are fairly common, even in normal line units (Marines especially, they get all the good shit), mag-dumps through suppressors happen often, mostly because now troops can just walk to the armsoom and DX it with on-hand replacements.

But when the initial G36 drama went down, it wasn't a time when that kind of thing happened often, and especially because the Germans were doing as little of the heavy as possible.

I think that is why the problem was not seen for so long.

 

[HumptiDouji]

Everyone know's the M16A2 is the inferior rifle to the M16A1 and was a pointless "update" brought about by the US Marines wanting a range rifle.

A few of the ideas were good, like the tapered delta ring, and the brass deflector, along with the more practical handguards.

All in all though, the Colt 715 is close to what the M16A2 should have been. I'd still suggest to skip the pointless nub on the pistolgrip, and to not bother adding the reinforcement to the buffertube housing (because it's not prone to breaking, so that's just adding weight for nothing), and the original teardrop style of forward-assist plunger gives you better leverage on the bolt, for when you actually need to use it.

this, very much. no mag dumping. the M4A1 has a similar issue after they added full auto to it burning out gas tubes if you mag dump 20 magazines through it.

Shit's kind of gone horribly wrong if you find yourself just blazing through 20(!!!) magazines in short order though, where's your fire support, are you alone?

 

[Club Sandwich]

where's your fire support, are you alone?

for the M4A1, it was an ANA FARP thing that was being overrun, for the G36 it was a unrealistic fire schedule during training that highlighted groups opening up after a half dozen full auto mags back to back.

Spoiler

the G36 is supposed to have 94% of shots within a 12.7cm target at 300 meters slow fire and after 200 DM11 rounds this accuracy decreases to less than 70% and never returns to true (although it recovers significantly). export G36 rifles (G36E for example) do not have this problem at all, even in the same test conditions. the German BW report on the matter is over 350 pages long and very boring.

to wit:

green is the point of aim and the "ideal" spread for accuracy at 300 meters for the G36, and red is the size increase and shift after 217 rounds of full auto fire. the yellow and purple are same for the M16A2, which has a burst cam limiter. the movement towards the upper right is normal for right-side ejection rifles.

 

[LurkNoMore]

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but cow crossover!



The article

 

[White Devil]

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but cow crossover!

The article

Oh shit, I love Loose Rounds. Their dissemination of the M14 pisses people off hardcore.