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Brandon also is uncomfortable around his own fans due to how memey and spergy they are. I should've taken photos at the "meetup".
 
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redicart said:
I guess things should be broken down. Cavalry Arms sold all its intellectual property to Phagan. Phagan then sold all of that intellectual property to GWACS. Phagan was employed by all three companies by the way. Phagan is at KE Arms and KE Arms goes to the owner of Cavalry Arms and purchases blueprints and intellectual property. In GWACS lawsuit they are quite explicit about what was purchased from Nealon and how much was paid for it, $1,000 in cash and $9,000 in firearms accessories. Oh, and that Phagan assisted KE Arms in the development of the KP-15 with knowledge that he had no right to share. Then something about trademark infringements etc and broken contracts.

The allegations are that Phagan, Brownells, and KE Arms sign contracts that they are not wiling to live up too. GWACS is claiming that Phagan lied to them when he sold them the intellectual property. They are also claiming that Phagan broke his non-disclosure agreement when he left his employment with GWACS and went to KE Arms. The difference is that it is not about actual technology it is about being dishonest in business dealings and breaking signed contracts.

Not being a lawyer but using reasonable thinking skills some of the questions the court is being asked to resolve are:
1.) Did KE Arms purchase IP from Shawn Nealon?
2.) Was that IP part of the original sale to Phagan?
3.) Was that IP then part of the sale to GWACS?
4.) Did KE Arms use any of that IP for the development of the KP-15?
5.) Did Phagan know about Shawn Nealon having IP that belonged to GWACS?
6.) Did Phagan facilitate any part of the sale between Shawn Nealon and KE Arms?
7.) Did Phagan break any portion of the NDA and other contracts he had with GWACS?
8.) Did KE Arms break any portion of the contract it had between itself and GWACS?
9.) Did Brownells break any portion of its contract it had between itself and GWACS?

Also, remember one thing. GWACS is very specific in that it was 2 boxes of blueprints and a thumb drive containing IP. They are also very specific about the purchase price. Exactly $1,000 and $9,000 of firearm accessories. In my humble view this means a witness to these things is available.

My part? My part is the same as every KF poster in every KF post. What part do you have in Chris Chandler threads? What do you have to do with anything you post in?
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The interesting part about questions 8 and 9 is exactly when and in what capacity Russel was working with Ian and Karl on the WWSD project. If the allegation from GWACS is true the WWSD project's inception could have easily been a result of Russel trying to generate interest in polymer lowers. The WWSD rifle existed in 2010 (see his blog post) with the only large difference being barrel profile and buffer before IRTV ever existed. It even had a no forward assist upper! Karl and Ian were also invovled with promoting the cav arms lowers before they were even IRTV, interestingly the cav arms torture test video was deleted on youtube (you can infer this from the tfbtv article linking to a deleted video). Too bad Russel can't tell us why. Looks like he also forgot to delete it on gunstream (I gave him a tip earlier in the threadto delete it.) You'll see Karl and if you look closely, Ian as well circa 2014, before IRTV's existence during Russel's employment at GWACS.

This means that Karl and Ian were involved with promoting Russel's lowers before WWSD and IRTV existed. Karl was also at the match where the exploded 2010 WWSD forerunner exploded, and was at Tiger valley in 2009 shooting these polymer lowers, so Karl and Ian aren't able to truly say that the WWSD rifle is their idea. Seeing as how Russel left GWACS for KEA in the middle of 2015 and GWACS alleges he violated IP NDAs in February 2016 you can look at the first WWSD announcement video from April 2017 where Ian and Karl state that there's been "a lot of work... and a long time in the making" in the first minute of the video. How long is "a long time in the making" and how is there a lot of work when Karl would have already seen the WWSD clone back from 2010 and I'm sure karl would have spoken with Russel who could have filled him in on this similar build? Perhaps he's referring to Russel's alleged IP theft in a larger scheme for Karl and Ian to promote a rifle that GWACS wasn't able to manufacture anymore. Maybe Russel had foreseen this inability to make more and that's why he changed companies? It would be pretty interesting if the WWSD project was intiated by Russel as a way to monetize the IP he had been trying to get off the ground for years. What were Russel's words again... (see the end of his blogpost on cav 15 history) "What is the future of the CAV-15 Receiver? As long as I’m alive the concept of a CAV-15 style receiver is not dead. Be patient and stay tuned…" Hmm I wonder if he had this allegation in mind when he used those words.
 
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It's starting to sound like GWACS is upset that they didn't have a marketing team for their old product. Guess I would be too, but what is legal and what is what I want differ often.
 
FullSpectrum regarding videos being deleted from YouTube and not from Gunstreamer; YouTube itself has deleted my videos over the years due to their ever evolving TOS or because something got them flagged. If there are videos up on gunstreamer that aren’t on YouTube that is why; they don’t have the same TOS or never got flagged the same way.

You also should be aware that deleting anything after litigation has started can have drastically worse legal consequences. So as to your warning to delete something else earlier here, No I’m not deleting anything.

All of my blog posts, videos, and comments have already been entered into evidence during discovery. Including these:


Edit: I would particularly direct your attention towards the bottom of this article:

 
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Puff said:
@Full Spectrum you want to make a lawsuit thread in the Lolcow and Lolcow LLP. subforum?
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Not particularly. If Russel did violate NDA that's actually cool on his part to ensure his dream stays alive. This is more about Karl and Ian copying others' work and why it could be the case from a financial and source of intellect perspective (i.e. Russel being the brains of the operation.) Seeing as how Ian is the only one doing the promotions for WWSD now, it may have been (highly unlikely) the case from the start that with IRTV's WSSD project was started by Russel roping in Karl to get Ian to officially promote polymer lowers seeing as they are at least acquaintances from before. If you wanted to keep going down the possibly more entertaining path IRTV could have been formed with the intent to shill polymer lowers with Ian's publicity as its end purpose in the most extreme and least likely consideration. Karl largely functioned as an intermediary if this were the case and now we can see he may have outlived that purpose.

It's really funny to me that the WWSD gun is just a gamer gun from 2010 with a pencil barrel and PDQ lever and a new gamer buffer. That is why I asked Russel if he was involved with mentioning the PDQ lever to Karl, as it seems quite likely that Russel (of the three) would have known of it first since Karl is a righty and Ian knew nothing of ARs back then - possibly further adding to the unoriginality of the two. Literally part for part the rifle is a near perfect clone that no one has seemed to notice. In the probably more likely case that the conspiracies I mentioned earlier are proven false, the WWSD gun existing in 2010 and being known to Karl (he was running the timer and watching the shooter as the gun exploded) is really hilarious to me. The irony is that in IRTV's first (or earliest) video on youtube they say that "nothing is new" and how they don't want to become beholden to any particular company - and now they are copying rifles and beholden to KE Arms and all the manufacturers involved with WWSD.
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All of my blog posts, videos, and comments have already been entered into evidence during discovery. Including these:
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Your blog posts were already on the internet archive for some time, no surprise there.
 
Full Spectrum,

The 2010 rifle built by Paul Shanks that blew up at PRGC 3 Gun is not a WWSD. https://www.recoilweb.com/internet-rumor-control-epic-kaboom-56517.html

WWSD is a particular combination of parts that includes a number of things not present in that gun.

18 spr profile rifle gas vs 16” pencil midlength
Timney single stage trigger vs Sear Link Technology Trigger
No Ambi controls vs Ambi controls
Brake vs Flash hider
Plain carbon fiber Tube vs MLOK
Standard buffer system vs SCSS

So how exactly is that rifle from 2010 a part for part clone?

The WWSD rifle program was entirely Karl and Ian’s idea. I first heard about this project in 2016-2017 shooting matches with them. KE Arms had a new trigger coming that had unique features that I felt met the goals of their project and they adopted the SLT.

InRange started in 2015 because Karl was collaborating with Ian regularly on forgotten weapons, and Ian was worried he would eventually run out of old gun content and that the channel wasn’t geared towards modern stuff. 7 years later things obviously played out differently.

The PDQ is not useful to me as a lefty.
I use my trigger finger to actuate the bolt catch. I don’t know why people think that’s a left handed part. It’s far more useful to right handed shooters.

The complete configuration of the WWSD rifle is not what I would spec myself because it included too many expensive parts from outside vendors. The CDR is closer to what I personally believe is an optimized lightweight rifle that balances cost and features better.

You really should go find my deposition transcript and my responses to interrogatories rather than keep guessing at things.
 
Karl associate Deviant Ollam who recently collaborated with Karl at the most recent AWCY Gun Makers Match is publicly fawning over the animal neglecting, grifting man made desert known as the Tenacious Unicorn Ranch and its resident autogynephiles. Karl sure does know how to pick associates, tactical autogynephiles, chris chan pronoun policers and a guy who simps for trannies who neglect animals and lie about being threatened by maga chud militias
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Karl associate Deviant Ollam who recently collaborated with Karl at the most recent AWCY Gun Makers Match is publicly fawning over the animal neglecting, grifting man made desert known as the Tenacious Unicorn Ranch and its resident autogynephiles. Karl sure does know how to pick associates, tactical autogynephiles, chris chan pronoun policers and a guy who simps for trannies who neglect animals and lie about being threatened by maga chud militias
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I love cow crossovers. It’s twice the milk for half the work.
 
AGPinochet said:
Karl associate Deviant Ollam who recently collaborated with Karl at the most recent AWCY Gun Makers Match is publicly fawning over the animal neglecting, grifting man made desert known as the Tenacious Unicorn Ranch and its resident autogynephiles. Karl sure does know how to pick associates, tactical autogynephiles, chris chan pronoun policers and a guy who simps for trannies who neglect animals and lie about being threatened by maga chud militias
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Ollam better hurry up and visit the Tranch because it's currently being ripped apart by BPD pussy and a failed Indian donation grift.
 
AGPinochet said:
Karl associate Deviant Ollam who recently collaborated with Karl at the most recent AWCY Gun Makers Match is publicly fawning over the animal neglecting, grifting man made desert known as the Tenacious Unicorn Ranch and its resident autogynephiles. Karl sure does know how to pick associates, tactical autogynephiles, chris chan pronoun policers and a guy who simps for trannies who neglect animals and lie about being threatened by maga chud militias
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That fag. I just wanted to watch a video about breaking into elevators and he starts preaching on how the right is evil.

Molly White's Breast Milk said:
Ollam better hurry up and visit the Tranch because it's currently being ripped apart by BPD pussy and a failed Indian donation grift.
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Ooooo.... New saga. Need to catch up.
 
SinistralRifleman said:
18 spr profile rifle gas vs 16” pencil midlength
Timney single stage trigger vs Sear Link Technology Trigger
No Ambi controls vs Ambi controls
Brake vs Flash hider
Plain carbon fiber Tube vs MLOK
Standard buffer system vs SCSS

So how exactly is that rifle from 2010 a part for part clone?
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They both have:
free float carbon fiber handguards
cassette drop in triggers
Young BCGs
Polymer Lower w/ integral handguard/buttstock

The PDQ lever, SLT, SCSS, and MLOK of course didn't exist in 2010.
I suppose it could be considered a substantially original thought on Karl an Ian's part to include ambi controls on an AR-15 circa 2017.

Looking at the new ballistic advantage barrel you guys changed to from a faxon super pencil where the weight gain of 4 oz is equivalent to the weight saings of the KP15 vs a milspec M4 lower. That means someone with a milspec M4 lower and a faxon barrel compared to a WWSD and ballistic advantage barrel are equivalent or close enough in weight all other parts being equal. The M4 lower gun can even be lighter than the WWSD rifle if it omits the SCSS as well since it adds weight compared to the milspec system. You can go even lighter on the receiver extension with exotic materials and exotic stock choices that end up closing the gap if not coming in lighter than the KP-15. Ian also considered an 18" barrel for the WWSD rifle, so it is entirely within the concept and not entirely different. The funny thing about the barrel change was that the faxon was overgassed, but the entire debacle of IMR vs Ball powder was that ball powder made the gun overgassed. That's definitely NOT what Stoner would do, he knew how to gas a rifle properly. Of course you could tame the gas I'm sure with extra buffer weights, but that's cutting into the weight savings of the barrel itself.

Even if otherwise Ian and Karl's genius and originality would then lie in the difference being a 2" barrel reduction, flash hider selection, ambi controls, choosing to use MLOK some time after 2014, and the selection of the SCSS buffer system. I'm sure that's commensurate with Stoner's brilliance. Or you know Stoner would have just made an SR-25 styled rifle since he actually designed that one.

Or to parallel history Stoner would have let Sullivan and Fremont do all the work while he worked on failed 7.62 projects until 1974. Funny enough they omit Sullivan's new BCG since it has "no applicability" to what they're doing since it isn't a military rifle and not designed for full auto, it's a "reimagined Colt SP-1" or something similarly nebulously defined like that but nevermind that Stoner designed full auto military rifles and his SR-25 being semi auto is because it's a literal sniper/DMR rifle. Or perhaps it has no applicability since building a gun around full auto capacity has less of a commercial applicability? Nevermind the fact that sullivan's BCG has more preferential unlocking cam path and other benefits that work in semi auto (for longevity) and also for shooting suppressed, but I suppose the WWSD rifle was never intended to be suppressed since it's a gamer gun and the original FH was fixed.

But then they select Young manufacture BCG "the best BCG on the market," which after spending 16 minutes talking in a video about how it's easy to clean and the nebulous appreciation of that in how it actually affects a rifle's function (I am aware of the competition shooting benefits for the camp perry style matches) there is less than a minute spent talking about the blind hole style cam pin being stronger and improved, which parallels Sullivan's BCG, but that had no applicability to WWSD but now it does with Young MFR. Maybe it's because KE Arms owns Young Manufacturing and the MSRP is the same for both so more profit for everyone involved? Funny how "the best BCG on the market" gives KE Arms more money than otherwise. Of course you don't even need a proprietary bolt cam pin hole and pin for that sort of benefit, you could just install your cam pin in the same orientation each time and have more longevity for free on any AR-15. Ah yes, there it is, Stoner would have designed a gun in 2020 that ensures KE Arms generates as much profit as possible for a company he is not employed by.

Even on the point of the original BCG being chromed, Stoner made a poor choice in the matter. Choosing the chrome the BCG but not the barrel was a massive mistake and in backwards order. I wouldn't consider Stoner's original choice of what to chrome being a sound and thoroughly tested one.
 
Archie_Kimkicker said:
There will never be enough willie pete.
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"Do you feel like a hero yet?"
Full Spectrum said:
Nevermind the fact that sullivan's BCG has more preferential unlocking cam path and other benefits that work in semi auto (for longevity) and also for shooting suppressed, but I suppose the WWSD rifle was never intended to be suppressed since it's a gamer gun and the original FH was fixed.
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This is totally out of my wheelhouse but doesn't the Sullivan BCG increase the stroke and thus hammer the bolt hold open harder after the last round? Or is it totally overblown by people online?
 
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