General GunTuber thread

[UVB-76]

Distancing yourself from a movement that might pull you into controversy when you actually have something to lose is just basic self-preservation.

The thing is, he didn't say "people who joined physical fights as a way of conducting politics are undermining the cause" or the very direct "we don't want to be associated with hate groups". He said "Proud Boy-ish" type of people. It's the alt-right thing all over again, most people don't remember but there was a small period where anyone outside the neocon sphere of influence was part of the "alternative right". It triggers a "what do you mean you people?" because we get the sense we're being included.
That was still salvageable. But he went ahead and declared a Christian symbol a white supremacist icon. On par with the dumb antifa people who tried to get a fire department dispatcher fired due to a Celtic cross tattoo or whatever.
He had literally nothing to lose if he just kept his cool and had better PR people coach him in the statements he was going to make.

What you’re missing is that no normie on the right has even heard of the Proud Boys.

I mean, at that point everyone had to know about them because Trump was explicitly fed a poisoned line when he was asked to denounce the Proud Boys.
And he fumbled it because he could have hit the media with a good shot and decided to drop a "badass" line.

 

[Shaka Brah]

What you’re missing is that no normie on the right has even heard of the Proud Boys. They are like Q-Anon, a small thing that the media turned into a massive leftist conspiracy theory. In Proud Boys case, they were picked by the media to be the ”fascist” villain antifa was supposedly fighting against, because antifa looks really stupid even to NYT readers if they are destroying Portland for no reason. More people on the left know about Proud Boys/Q-Anon than the right, so bringing them up in an interview with the New York Times (which no right wing business would ever give an interview to) shows that you are a leftist.

They were also picked because the founder is a former Vice News co-owner and (literal) homosexual leftoid hipster. He makes the perfect patsy because he was one of them and still believes in all of the things they do, just from 5-10 years ago.

 

[likeacrackado]

Yeah, and let's not delude ourselves: there are a bunch of racist morons on the right. And I don't mean edgy "ha ha I'm gonna go on twitter and say nigger" little idiots, we see those same unironic racists here on the farms and not a small number of those associated with the Proud Boys before deciding that group also glowed. It doesn't matter how hard you go "ackshually, only a small handful of Proud Boys are racist", to the vast majority of the American public the movement's image is already irrevocably tainted. Yes, it's partially because of a pervasive media campaign (and partially because they're fucking morons), but it doesn't matter: the outcome is the same. The damage has already been done. Distancing yourself from a movement that might pull you into controversy when you actually have something to lose is just basic self-preservation.

We're in this really fucking retarded point in history where saying "I'm not racist" suddenly makes you a bad person to both sides of the political divide. It goes right back to this whole tribalist bullshit I was talking about. Just because I hate the Republicans only slightly less than I hate the Democrats, doesn't mean I have to like a bunch of morons like the Proud Boys, or any other "movement" that's as divisive and counterproductive as all the others.

I dont want this to turn into an A&N thread, but you're missing the point. People don't like them because they drape themselves in all that tough guy thin line shit when it comes to selling their lifestyle brand and then back off and defame the people they market to.

On the right, specifically the online element, going out of your way to shittalk anyone left of skinheads while associating with right wing causes is seen as a sign that you aren't genuine and that you are willing to shittalk the rest of "us".

Never liked the proud boys myself and I could see why a company wouldn't want to be directly associated with an accused mass shooter. BRCC coming out and saying those things rubbed me the wrong way as it did many others. The internal leaks cemented what I already suspected. We've seen the song and dance a thousand times, first it's the 'radicals' then it's the rest of us.

I don't drink coffee or wear these shirts, so it's just petty annoyance at seeing people around me buy into the BRCC marketing, knowing how they actually are.

 

[quaawaa]

I mean, at that point everyone had to know about them because Trump was explicitly fed a poisoned line when he was asked to denounce the Proud Boys.
And he fumbled it because he could have hit the media with a good shot and decided to drop a "badass" line.

You and I know about that because we read the news a lot. The average conservative normie doesn’t, and they likely would have completely missed that story because it was minor and sounds the same as the other ten thousand times the media called Trump a “White Supremacist”.

 

[Corn Flakes]

I dont want this to turn into an A&N thread, but you're missing the point. People don't like them because they drape themselves in all that tough guy thin line shit when it comes to selling their lifestyle brand and then back off and defame the people they market to.

On the right, specifically the online element, going out of your way to shittalk anyone left of skinheads while associating with right wing causes is seen as a sign that you aren't genuine and that you are willing to shittalk the rest of "us".

The problem is that the online right is so desperate for "representation" that they're willing to latch on to anything that sounds even remotely right-wing, even if it's a complete grift, or people who aren't nearly as right-wing as they think. And then when these people do exactly what they've always done (BRCC sells the "2A and veteran dudebro lifestyle", but I don't remember them ever publicly changing their opinion on anything), the online tards start screeching that they've been betrayed.

Case in point, to bring this back to guntubers, Ian. I remember back when he was starting to get popular a bunch of chan-ites were big fans... until they found out he was not in fact a Rhodesia Uber Alles sperg, and then suddenly all these guys started acting all hurt, like it was his fault that they projected their own bullshit onto him. I know I'm kicking the beehive by pointing it out, but it's a huge fucking blindspot for a lot of people.

I don't drink coffee or wear these shirts, so it's just petty annoyance at seeing people around me buy into the BRCC marketing, knowing how they actually are.

I'm not fitting BRCC for a halo here, but just like I make fun of woketards for jizzling in their panties when Bethesda adds a rainbow to their logo for Pride Month (conveniently ignoring they didn't do that with their Saudi Arabian or Russian branches), I'll make fun of right-wing 'tards thinking any company truly represents them. People being salty at BRCC to me are engaging in the same kind of histrionics as the people trying to boycott Chick-fil-A because their president donated to the Republican party. Companies aren't there to represent you, they don't owe you anything if you fall for their marketing.

BRCC is out to sell merch and an image. They're there to make money. They could be dyed-in-the-wool Reaganites for all I'm bothered, but if it would be good business to throw an unpleasant (dare I say "toxic"?) right-wing crowd under the bus that's what they would do because a thousand angry tweets are vastly outweighed by another hundred thousand dollars in their pockets by the end of the month. And despite what everybody is saying, normie right-wingers are aware of the Proud Boys, and it's usually only just enough to know they don't like that crowd. And normie right-wingers also don't like being called racist and don't consider themselves racists.

So BRCC lost nothing in the long run with this. Sure, a few spergs dropped them, but very few of them were going to spend any appreciable sums into the company anyway, and the vast majority of their customer base either didn't know or didn't give a damn. Even Brandon Hererra's fanbase, for all their "young right-wing" energy shitting on BRCC, couldn't find it in themselves to dislike his recent video with Mat Best.

People screeching on the internet have this habit of thinking they're important, but in reality they just very loud.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

until they found out he was not in fact a Rhodesia Uber Alles sperg,

This is inaccurate. They were pissed that he toned down his Rhodesian weapons videos and, more importantly, that he denied South African farmers were being killed(likely because his contacts were wealthy South Africans in Cape Town). His capitulating to rabid leftist fans over the Azov book just dug him deeper.

So BRCC lost nothing in the long run

And that is how "right wing" lifestyle brand grifts work. This isn't a new occurrence. The only thing new about this is that it's a new company and more blatant with its politicking, at least towards younger people who know how the GOPe/RINO grift works.

I don't think you understand the delineation between online spergs, real people with no time for politics, the political lifestyle grift, and people who take issue with those pretending to be one to make a buck.
This is the "Drumps said 'both sides'" and Tim Pool - Black Anti-KKK man circular-arguing-with-no-understanding-outside-my-bubble all over again.

 

[Corn Flakes]

This is inaccurate. They were pissed that he toned down his Rhodesian weapons videos and, more importantly, that he denied South African farmers were being killed(likely because his contacts were wealthy South Africans in Cape Town). His capitulating to rabid leftist fans over the Azov book just dug him deeper.

I was there for the Rhodesia sperging, and I was already old enough to know what was going on. A few of them rationalized it as what you said, but most were just salty that Ian wasn't "one of them".

As for the Azov book, what did anyone expect? That he thought the book was perfectly fine and got completely blindsided by the backlash is pretty good indication to me that he's not left wing. And the rabid mob was going after his third-party partners. Do you really think they wouldn't go after his Patreon to try to get him booted out of the platform (and completely destroy his income) if he had followed through with the book?

And that is how "right wing" lifestyle brand grifts work. This isn't a new occurrence. The only thing new about this is that it's a new company and more blatant with its politicking, at least towards younger people who know how the GOPe/RINO grift works.

And yet they're still selling gangbusters and that "younger people who know how the GOPe/RINO grift works" crowd still give them money and likes on social media.

See what I mean? I agree it's a grift, but I don't think enough people understand (or care about) it to make a difference.

I don't think you understand the delineation between online spergs, real people with no time for politics, the political lifestyle grift, and people who take issue with those pretending to be one to make a buck.
This is the "Drumps said 'both sides'" and Tim Pool - Black Anti-KKK man circular-arguing-with-no-understanding-outside-my-bubble all over again.

I understand it just fine, I just choose to disregard online spergs because they're a tiny minority. And yes, those compose the vast majority of people who take issue with political grifts. And yes, that's us.

The vast majority of people in America don't have time for politics. I would also say most people buying BRCC merch also don't care for their politics beyond what they see on the website. And do keep in mind there are a lot of center and center-left leaning normies who like veterans and EMTs on a very vague civic level. And all these people just see a shirt they'd like to buy and then buy it, just like they don't have a clue as to what Under Armour's politics are. That's exactly why the political lifestyle grift works, people don't care beyond the most basic appearance.

I know exactly what's going on, and I imagine most people here would know as well. But to me it's just funny that people get so bent out of shape over something that's always happened and will keep happening because the average American doesn't give a damn. They just want to buy a shirt or a hat to go along with their terrible taste in coffee.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

I was there for the Rhodesia sperging,

I just choose to disregard online spergs

How can anyone take you seriously when you talk about being on 4chan and then obsess over spergs? There are entire groups of people outside 4chan and twitter that don't ascribe to meme political positions. Blue collar workers and first responders aren't spergy for taking issue with a company that patronizes them while simultaneously shit talking them indirectly. People can read between the lines and aren't going to always believe the "we were just attacking the extreme elements adjacent to you" song and dance, particularly when the resulting consequences rope in non-"extremist" movements.

Spoiler: Just a true and honest first responder supporter spergs hate for no reason.

The thing is, he didn't say "people who joined physical fights as a way of conducting politics are undermining the cause" or the very direct "we don't want to be associated with hate groups". He said "Proud Boy-ish" type of people. It's the alt-right thing all over again, most people don't remember but there was a small period where anyone outside the neocon sphere of influence was part of the "alternative right". It triggers a "what do you mean you people?" because we get the sense we're being included.
That was still salvageable. But he went ahead and declared a Christian symbol a white supremacist icon. On par with the dumb antifa people who tried to get a fire department dispatcher fired due to a Celtic cross tattoo or whatever.
He had literally nothing to lose if he just kept his cool and had better PR people coach him in the statements he was going to make.

This is what people are saying, not 4chan being spergy.

 

[Corn Flakes]

How can anyone take you seriously when you talk about being on 4chan and then obsess over spergs? There are entire groups of people outside 4chan and twitter that don't ascribe to meme political positions. Blue collar workers and first responders aren't spergy for taking issue with a company that patronizes them while simultaneously shit talking them indirectly.


This is what people are saying, not 4chan being spergy.

I was talking about 4chan and the Farms when referring to the online spergs, but sure. Let's talk about people outside of these spheres.

Here's the big question, how many people are actually complaining, how many of these people either stopped purchasing anything from BRCC or could get other people to stop doing so due to word-of-mouth? Clearly, however large that number is it didn't do much because BRCC hasn't changed their modus operandi one iota even with all the backlash. Actually, they diversified their designs since.

From my side, I know a fair amount of first responders (got a bunch of them in the family), and most of them are perfectly fine with BRCC, assuming they even heard of the company. Anecdotal? Sure. But that's this entire discussion. Everybody thinks they're far larger than they actually are.

This is getting repetitive so I'll stop, though. I concede, and I've said my piece a couple times already: I think this whole thing is just plain retarded.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

I was there for the Rhodesia sperging, and I was already old enough to know what was going on. A few of them rationalized it as what you said, but most were just salty that Ian wasn't "one of them".

As for the Azov book, what did anyone expect? That he thought the book was perfectly fine and got completely blindsided by the backlash is pretty good indication to me that he's not left wing. And the rabid mob was going after his third-party partners. Do you really think they wouldn't go after his Patreon to try to get him booted out of the platform (and completely destroy his income) if he had followed through with the book?


And yet they're still selling gangbusters and that "younger people who know how the GOPe/RINO grift works" crowd still give them money and likes on social media.

See what I mean? I agree it's a grift, but I don't think enough people understand (or care about) it to make a difference.


I understand it just fine, I just choose to disregard online spergs because they're a tiny minority. And yes, those compose the vast majority of people who take issue with political grifts. And yes, that's us.

The vast majority of people in America don't have time for politics. I would also say most people buying BRCC merch also don't care for their politics beyond what they see on the website. And do keep in mind there are a lot of center and center-left leaning normies who like veterans and EMTs on a very vague civic level. And all these people just see a shirt they'd like to buy and then buy it, just like they don't have a clue as to what Under Armour's politics are. That's exactly why the political lifestyle grift works, people don't care beyond the most basic appearance.

I know exactly what's going on, and I imagine most people here would know as well. But to me it's just funny that people get so bent out of shape over something that's always happened and will keep happening because the average American doesn't give a damn. They just want to buy a shirt or a hat to go along with their terrible taste in coffee.

Watch out we got a galaxy brained centrist over here.

 

[White Devil]

And you faggots thought my Ian hate was annoying. This faggot is writing novels to justify a fence pole up his ass.

 

[Corn Flakes]

And you faggots thought my Ian hate was annoying. This faggot is writing novels to justify a fence pole up his ass.

Nah, I'm not dumb enough to be a centrist. Almost, though. I'm just old and jaded instead.

Besides, it's not like you have a monopoly on faggotry with your alogging.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

And you faggots thought my Ian hate was annoying. This faggot is writing novels to justify a fence pole up his ass.

PSA AKs after Gen 2 are pretty decent.

 

[Ghjkl63]

This is inaccurate. They were pissed that he toned down his Rhodesian weapons videos and, more importantly, that he denied South African farmers were being killed(likely because his contacts were wealthy South Africans in Cape Town). His capitulating to rabid leftist fans over the Azov book just dug him deeper.

And that is how "right wing" lifestyle brand grifts work. This isn't a new occurrence. The only thing new about this is that it's a new company and more blatant with its politicking, at least towards younger people who know how the GOPe/RINO grift works.

I don't think you understand the delineation between online spergs, real people with no time for politics, the political lifestyle grift, and people who take issue with those pretending to be one to make a buck.
This is the "Drumps said 'both sides'" and Tim Pool - Black Anti-KKK man circular-arguing-with-no-understanding-outside-my-bubble all over again.

i dont even think it was fans that were butthurt about the azov book. seems to me it was random leftoids that stumbled upon it and chimped out.

 

[White Devil]

PSA AKs after Gen 2 are pretty decent.

Literally hissed reading this.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

And you faggots thought my Ian hate was annoying. This faggot is writing novels to justify a fence pole up his ass.

Glad I could help.

 

[HumptiDouji]

Case in point, to bring this back to guntubers, Ian. I remember back when he was starting to get popular a bunch of chan-ites were big fans... until they found out he was not in fact a Rhodesia Uber Alles sperg, and then suddenly all these guys started acting all hurt, like it was his fault that they projected their own bullshit onto him. I know I'm kicking the beehive by pointing it out, but it's a huge fucking blindspot for a lot of people.

I wonder how many of those were actually genuine and which were just putting it on for shits and giggles.

 

[UVB-76]

Even Brandon Hererra's fanbase, for all their "young right-wing" energy shitting on BRCC, couldn't find it in themselves to dislike his recent video with Mat Best.

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I think that's specious reasoning. The fact that the dislikes need a browser extension to be seen, and supposedly YouTube will remove the API feature that even allows that extension to work, has a cooling effect on the dislike brigades.

Here's the big question, how many people are actually complaining, how many of these people either stopped purchasing anything from BRCC or could get other people to stop doing so due to word-of-mouth?

I can only offer my anecdote. I know a guy who used to defend BRCC all the time, he actually worked in a gun store that had a BRCC display but got a better job. After this shitstorm BRCC is dead to him. He paid a visit to the gun store he used to work at and they had taken down the BRCC display. These are normies, and they saw the mask off moment. Does it mean everyone is assmad at them? No. But people noticed, not just internet autists.

 

[Corn Flakes]

I think that's specious reasoning. The fact that the dislikes need a browser extension to be seen, and supposedly YouTube will remove the API feature that even allows that extension to work, has a cooling effect on the dislike brigades.

I'm done arguing the whole BRCC thing (it's too early and I haven't had actual coffee yet) but believe me, the dislike brigades are still alive and well:

Or, to talk about guns again,

People who feel strongly about something are still using the dislike button just fine.

 

[White Devil]

I personally prefer Folger's Black Silk.