General GunTuber thread

[White Devil]

Looks like ar15.com is gonna unban them;

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This can only lead to a greater harvest.

 

[Fools Idol]

This is AI, plz no ban

Doesn't sound anything like him but is the text fake too?

 

[gayberouse]

Doesn't sound anything like him but is the text fake too?

Text is supposedly legit, other people here have posted the screenshots here so I just am going off what they've dug up. I also didn't make it I just figured you lads would enjoy it

 

[Corn Flakes]

Doesn't sound anything like him but is the text fake too?

Text is supposedly legit, other people here have posted the screenshots here so I just am going off what they've dug up. I also didn't make it I just figured you lads would enjoy it

The text is from @Mikoyan's screencaps of InRangeTV's discord server. Go check Karl's thread on Prospering Grounds if you want to join in on the fun.

 

[Mikoyan]

The text is from @Mikoyan's screencaps of InRangeTV's discord server. Go check Karl's thread on Prospering Grounds if you want to join in on the fun.

That text is included in my screencaps but that meme was not made from what I posted - you can tell because the timezone is radically different. Pedantic difference but...

And yes the text is real. Karl and Russell are BIG FUCKING MAD at Ian on the internet.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

"Why not start with a simplified shitty rifle so that when things go bad during a war you aren't forced to start making simpler shittier rifles after the war's been going for a bit?"

How the fuck do you ask a question like that and not immediately say outloud to yourself "Wow that was a really retarded question"? Ian's answer is really funny too, his answer to SHTF gun is a WWSD, because of course it is, and his hate boner for the A2 comes through full force.

 

[Blasterisk]

"Why not start with a simplified shitty rifle so that when things go bad during a war you aren't forced to start making simpler shittier rifles after the war's been going for a bit?"

How the fuck do you ask a question like that and not immediately say outloud to yourself "Wow that was a really retarded question"? Ian's answer is really funny too, his answer to SHTF gun is a WWSD, because of course it is, and his hate boner for the A2 comes through full force.

I don't think it makes sense to arm your WW3 conscripts with M16A2s, though. Is he biased towards the KP-15? Of course. Is a KP-15 + M16A1 upper better than any last-ditch rifle yet made and faster to build? I think he laid out some convincing arguments that it is. The rifleman-centric ideal of accurate fire at 500 meters does not apply to WW3, at least not after your equivalent to the B.E.F. gets flattened by the first, third or eighth wave.

 

[Slurgle]

WWSD uppers are gone on Brownells, and they seem to have completely scrubbed the page from existence.

They really just want to do like it never existed.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

M16A1 upper better than any last-ditch rifle yet made and faster to build?

See the issue is that there's only one company (currently) with the molds, the blueprints, the equipment, and the experience to make a monolithic polymer lower; KEArms. For mass manufacture to switch over to a monolithic polymer lower would require the distribution to or acquirement of all those things to or by multiple factories, a development cycle to produce a lower compatible with full auto fire control groups while making sure that you aren't introducing any weaknesses to the design, and there will probably be teething issues like what KEArms ran into at first as new companies need to cut their teeth with the product.

The best solution would probably be to make more AR15s since they're mechanically simpler and if you have the equipment to mass produce M16s you have the equipment to mass produce AR15s with basically no changes to your equipment and minimal changes to your processes while giving up minimal tactical or strategic capability since full auto and burst aren't used too terribly often anyways.

 

[Blasterisk]

See the issue is that there's only one company (currently) with the molds, the blueprints, the equipment, and the experience to make a monolithic polymer lower; KEArms. For mass manufacture to switch over to a monolithic polymer lower would require the distribution to or acquirement of all those things to or by multiple factories, a development cycle to produce a lower compatible with full auto fire control groups while making sure that you aren't introducing any weaknesses to the design, and there will probably be teething issues like what KEArms ran into at first as new companies need to cut their teeth with the product.

The best solution would probably be to make more AR15s since they're mechanically simpler and if you have the equipment to mass produce M16s you have the equipment to mass produce AR15s with basically no changes to your equipment and minimal changes to your processes while giving up minimal tactical or strategic capability since full auto and burst aren't used too terribly often anyways.

By no means should KE Arms be in complete charge of producing them, but the argument about injection molding speed vs. CNC machine setup time is valid. Just because ARs have been built a certain way for 65 years doesn't mean it's the fastest way to build them.

KE Arms has also produced (and tested, although not destructively) automatic fire in KP-15s with no particular failure. I'm tired of digging up archives this week but I think it was one of the KP-15 pre-sale video blurbs on InRange. Are they ready for heavy courses of automatic fire? No, but neither is any DI upper, so that doesn't functionally matter. The lower is not really subject to enough firing stress that making it out of plastic is a problem except for connecting the buffer tube and pin length. Printed lowers break on receiver assembly pins but they're too slow to be last-ditch anyway.

Furthermore, the notion that civilian AR-15s have fewer parts is correct, but in my opinion that's more on the level of "maybe every Arisaka doesn't need AA sights" rather than true last-ditch.
If you're going to put in a hammer and disconnector instead of just making the thing open-bolt*, might as well add a pin hole and an auto sear.
*edit: do you think a PPS-43 sear could fit in an AR lower? Hmmm...

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

By no means should KE Arms be in complete charge of producing them, but the argument about injection molding speed vs. CNC machine setup time is valid. Just because ARs have been built a certain way for 65 years doesn't mean it's the fastest way to build them.

My argument here isn't that KEArms should be solely or even majority in charge of production, my argument is that until you have all of those other factories up and running your production number from them is zero. Your production time is not 65 seconds, it's 65 days or 65 weeks as you have to set everything up. The speed of that is all dependent on your ability to get things where they need to go too, you think Covid supply line delays were bad? Wait until your country is getting it's shit rocked in a modern industrialized war.

KE Arms has also produced (and tested, although not destructively) automatic fire in KP-15s with no particular failure. I'm tired of digging up archives this week but I think it was one of the KP-15 pre-sale video blurbs on InRange.

Was unaware of that, I retract that part of my argument.

Printed lowers break on receiver assembly pins but they're too slow to be last-ditch anyway.

Yeah, printed would be totally pants on head in a last ditch scenario.

Furthermore, the notion that civilian AR-15s have fewer parts is correct, but in my opinion that's more on the level of "maybe every Arisaka doesn't need AA sights" rather than true last-ditch.
If you're going to put in a hammer and disconnector instead of just making the thing open-bolt, might as well add a pin hole and an auto sear.

There are such things as incremental changes though, you don't have to flip a switch and swing wildly from one to the other, and if things are truly so bad that you're building open bolt ARs then why not just dig out the blueprints for the Grease Gun or something similar and just go whole hog? I'm sure an open bolt tube gun in 5.56 is plenty doable.

 

[WelperHelper99]

"Why not start with a simplified shitty rifle so that when things go bad during a war you aren't forced to start making simpler shittier rifles after the war's been going for a bit?"

How the fuck do you ask a question like that and not immediately say outloud to yourself "Wow that was a really retarded question"? Ian's answer is really funny too, his answer to SHTF gun is a WWSD, because of course it is, and his hate boner for the A2 comes through full force.

I thought Ian's takes were pretty solid. The polymer lower is iffy, that takes big machines, but if you had them, the speed in which you could crank them out would be nuts. Also very much agree that we would get rid of adjustable stocks.

 

[Cold Root Beer]

I'm sure an open bolt tube gun in 5.56 is plenty doable.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

I thought Ian's takes were pretty solid. The polymer lower is iffy, that takes big machines, but if you had them, the speed in which you could crank them out would be nuts. Also very much agree that we would get rid of adjustable stocks.

Similar to what happened to the Arisaka they'd then start shaving off non important parts to save on time and materials, so you bet your ass things like the bayonet lug, forward assist, forward assist bolt notches, threaded barrel, flash hider and maybe even the dust cover would be deleted if the situation was really really desperate.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Similar to what happened to the Arisaka they'd then start shaving of non important parts to save on time and materials, so you bet your ass things like the bayonet lug, forward assist, forward assist bolt notches, threaded barrel, flash hider and maybe even the dust cover would be deleted if the situation was really really desperate.

If America is at the point where we're deleting dust covers, Fallout New Vegas is no longer a game and my utahn ass is joining the Brotherhood of Steel

 

[Tour of Italy]

My argument here isn't that KEArms should be solely or even majority in charge of production, my argument is that until you have all of those other factories up and running your production number from them is zero. Your production time is not 65 seconds, it's 65 days or 65 weeks as you have to set everything up. The speed of that is all dependent on your ability to get things where they need to go too, you think Covid supply line delays were bad? Wait until your country is getting it's shit rocked in a modern industrialized war.

Was unaware of that, I retract that part of my argument.

Yeah, printed would be totally pants on head in a last ditch scenario.

There are such things as incremental changes though, you don't have to flip a switch and swing wildly from one to the other, and if things are truly so bad that you're building open bolt ARs then why not just dig out the blueprints for the Grease Gun or something similar and just go whole hog? I'm sure an open bolt tube gun in 5.56 is plenty doable.

I think you need a locked breach for 5.56. They needed one for .30 Carbine, which I believe has less energy.

You could do a roller delayed system if you were desperate for simplicity, but honestly the Stoner design is already low on moving parts as-is.

Similar to what happened to the Arisaka they'd then start shaving of non important parts to save on time and materials, so you bet your ass things like the bayonet lug, forward assist, forward assist bolt notches, threaded barrel, flash hider and maybe even the dust cover would be deleted if the situation was really really desperate.

If America is at the point where we're deleting dust covers, Fallout New Vegas is no longer a game and my utahn ass is joining the Brotherhood of Steel

Bro yeah, if we’re at the point in a prolonged industrial war where the number of rifle-equipped infantry has become a crucial factor, I don’t even want to think about the level of destruction that got us there in the first place.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

There are such things as incremental changes though, you don't have to flip a switch and swing wildly from one to the other, and if things are truly so bad that you're building open bolt ARs then why not just dig out the blueprints for the Grease Gun or something similar and just go whole hog? I'm sure an open bolt tube gun in 5.56 is plenty doable.

The bolt on that would be massive.

 

[HumptiDouji]

The bolt on that would be massive.

If you do it as straight blowback, maybe, but any delay mechanism could make it viable.

 

[Puff]

If you do it as straight blowback, maybe, but any delay mechanism could make it viable.

We're talking about an open bolt toob gun, which implies simple blowback.
Edit: from a random website with 0 checking of his calculations, .223 Win. would take a 7 pound bolt for simple blowback
link Also it says .50 BMG would take a 54 pound bolt... Someone must do it for science.

 

[74164978231]

So Administrative Results was doxxed in payback for whats happened to our favorite satanist guntuber?