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BikeLock said:
Buy a fucking lathe and make real guns?
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I think the guns are less of a problem than the ammo. I've long pondered the viability of going the Luty route, but I have no idea where I'd get the ammo from. And without ammo, it's just a big paperweight.
 
Swole McPole said:
I think the guns are less of a problem than the ammo. I've long pondered the viability of going the Luty route, but I have no idea where I'd get the ammo from. And without ammo, it's just a big paperweight.
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That is an excellent point. In the United States, a common talking point and strategy among the pro-regulation crowd is to attack the availability of ammunition.

A few people in the 3D-printed firearms space created guides to overcome the limitation of ammunition in restrictive locales, like Europe:
 
jny said:
That is an excellent point. In the United States, a common talking point and strategy among the pro-regulation crowd is to attack the availability of ammunition.

A few people in the 3D-printed firearms space created guides to overcome the limitation of ammunition in restrictive locales, like Europe:
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Years ago I saw that some madlad was literally making 40 S&W brass jacketed hollow points by filling an empty 9mm casing with lead and then swaging them to the correct size, I think they even came to weigh around 155grn or so, too. He was able to do the same with empty .40 cases for .45 auto, iirc, too. From what I remember they even worked fairly decent ballistically.

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Yeah, I'd figured out that you could probably make the slugs without too much problem but I couldn't begin to imagine how you'd make the brass cases and the gunpowder.

That first .pdf was fascinating though. Things would have to get pretty hairy before I'm going to be starting to prize apart hilti nailgun cartridges to get the powder out, but there's at least some reassurance in knowing that this stuff is actually doable should the time come when you really do need to have access to the means to defend yourself and your lived ones.

It does look like you'd need more skills to make the ammo than it does to make one of those Luty submachine guns though. It seems to require a fair degree of precision to make a working bullet, whereas any cack handed bodger could probably slap one of the guns together.
 
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Swole McPole said:
Yeah, I'd figured out that you could probably make the slugs without too much problem but I couldn't begin to imagine how you'd make the brass cases and the gunpowder.

That first .pdf was fascinating though. Things would have to get pretty hairy before I'm going to be starting to prize apart hilti nailgun cartridges to get the powder out, but there's at least some reassurance in knowing that this stuff is actually doable should the time come when you really do need to have access to the means to defend yourself and your lived ones.

It does look like you'd need more skills to make the ammo than it does to make one of those Luty submachine guns though. It seems to require a fair degree of precision to make a working bullet, whereas any cack handed bodger could probably slap one of the guns together.
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Metal cases can be turned on a lathe if push comes to shove. It’s not ideal and very slow. There is a reason everyone forms them now.

An interesting idea would a 2 piece case similar to Sig and true velocity but using a turned head and a 3D printed sidewall.
 
Swole McPole said:
It seems to require a fair degree of precision to make a working bullet, whereas any cack handed bodger could probably slap one of the guns together.
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You'd be surprised, I'm a complete fuckwit and I've not blown my fingers off yet (loading legally, I hasten to add).

I'm assuming you're also British, currently brass, bullets, reloading presses and dies are all completely uncontrolled, as are blank rounds (a handy source of primers and powder I'm not sure I'd trust).

Criminal use of from-scratch craft made gats and ammo isn't really a thing here because serious crims can get real guns and ammunition, and street level scratters have drilled out blank firers and bbs glued to the end of blank cartridges. I'm not aware of a criminal use of a completely homemade gun (other than slam-bang shotguns) pretty much ever on the mainland.

Unionist production of box section SMGs during the troubles was very much a thing, but Ulster is a silly place.
 
Swole McPole said:
apart hilti nailgun cartridges to get the powder out
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The guy who made the FGC-9 was harvesting nitrocellulose from ping pong balls to make smokeless powder, any method to get smokeless powder (which would be needed for any kind of auto-loading weapon) is pretty involved simply due to the chemistry required. There's a thread in self-sufficiency on the topic.
Swole McPole said:
you'd need more skills to make the ammo than it does to make one of those Luty submachine guns
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Exactly, its the reason why in areas where ammunition can be sourced, you do see improvised firearms like the Luty in use (not THAT much though, as if you can source ammo illicitly you can probably also source the gun to go with it), however in areas where ammunition and its components are highly restricted you typically see cruder weapons that utilize black powder (like the gun used to assassinate Shinzo Abe).
Smoke Manmuscle said:
An interesting idea would a 2 piece case
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Luty made .38 special ammunition using 8mm blank rounds as a base and shower curtain rods to fill out the rest of the casing, however I cannot for the life of me find the article which he made detailing their production (used to be on archive.org).
 
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jny said:
That is an excellent point. In the United States, a common talking point and strategy among the pro-regulation crowd is to attack the availability of ammunition.

A few people in the 3D-printed firearms space created guides to overcome the limitation of ammunition in restrictive locales, like Europe:
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None of that makes actual practical sense.
If you are going through the trouble of trying to jury rig ammo you are better of going full sperg and trying to forcefully acquire ammo using that retard chemistry. Or finding your nearest slavic criminal and getting a shitty gawk clone with dogshit serb ammo.
What 3D spergs fail to realize is that you are just as fucked in the eyes of the law as if you were doing something really dangerous. And you aren't that much more covert anyway.
 
Swole McPole said:
I think the guns are less of a problem than the ammo. I've long pondered the viability of going the Luty route, but I have no idea where I'd get the ammo from. And without ammo, it's just a big paperweight.
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There have been several projects around the idea of 3d printing your own ammo, ranging from just making bullets to full printed cartridges (I've seen both assembly-required and one piece designs). They're usually a lot weaker than normal ammo, but they do exist.
 
Geoff Capes Vapes Apes said:
Unionist production of box section SMGs during the troubles was very much a thing, but Ulster is a silly place.
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I was just now watching a documentary on Sky Arts about the Irish writer, Edna O'Brien and there was a point in the documentary in which she'd written a book about the troubles so they popped in some b-roll footage of provos policing the streets of Ulster, and I was like... damn, are they old sten guns they're carrying, or are they the archetypal Luty home-built 9mm submachine gun? The reason I thought they might be Luty-like guns was because you could see the great big ugly welds all over the damn things, which I'd never seen on factory-made stens. But they weren't really on screen long enough to form a strong view.

But I had no idea people were making SMG's. Perhaps because so much of the story tends to focus on the Republicans rather than the Unionists, and they were always boasting about 'my little Armalite' and having great stocks of proper rifles from Ghadaffi and the like.
 
BikeLock said:
Years ago I saw that some madlad was literally making 40 S&W brass jacketed hollow points by filling an empty 9mm casing with lead and then swaging them to the correct size, I think they even came to weigh around 155grn or so, too. He was able to do the same with empty .40 cases for .45 auto, iirc, too. From what I remember they even worked fairly decent ballistically.

ETA: OLD vid.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=sSqwdrROObI
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I've heard of out back Africans nigger-rigging jacketed .375 H&H reloads with this method. don't recall what case they used though.
 
Swole McPole said:
But I had no idea people were making SMG's. Perhaps because so much of the story tends to focus on the Republicans rather than the Unionists, and they were always boasting about 'my little Armalite' and having great stocks of proper rifles from Ghadaffi and the like.
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Yeah, the workshops at Harland and Wolff apparently did a surprising amount of work of an evening when no-one was supposed to be in. I've seen an RUC study of them, crudely made, sometimes smoothbore, but when the height of your martial prowess is machine gunning a pub full of innocent Catholics a shitty tube gun is all you need.

I seem to recall the was also some arrests when they tried to get a company to manufacture "exhaust pipes for industrial machinery" that were actually the other type of metal tube filled with baffles.
 
Internorth Inc said:
The guy who made the FGC-9 was harvesting nitrocellulose from ping pong balls to make smokeless powder, any method to get smokeless powder (which would be needed for any kind of auto-loading weapon) is pretty involved simply due to the chemistry required. There's a thread in self-sufficiency on the topic.

Exactly, its the reason why in areas where ammunition can be sourced, you do see improvised firearms like the Luty in use (not THAT much though, as if you can source ammo illicitly you can probably also source the gun to go with it), however in areas where ammunition and its components are highly restricted you typically see cruder weapons that utilize black powder (like the gun used to assassinate Shinzo Abe).

Luty made .38 special ammunition using 8mm blank rounds as a base and shower curtain rods to fill out the rest of the casing, however I cannot for the life of me find the article which he made detailing their production (used to be on archive.org).
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Did not know about the smokeless powder extraction method, that's extremely fucking cool.
Thanks for the link mate.
 
Swole McPole said:
It does look like you'd need more skills to make the ammo than it does to make one of those Luty submachine guns though. It seems to require a fair degree of precision to make a working bullet, whereas any cack handed bodger could probably slap one of the guns together.
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Never mind the bullet, how about the powder. Not all powder is the same, not with black powder and certainly not with smokeless.

For an example, if you are trying to convert blank or pistol ammunition powder to be used in a rifle cartridge, you are going to have a really bad day.
 
AGPinochet said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=l5_-0i1HJ-g
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TL;DW
>have ideological differences with the other brothers
>made him get a prenup so his wife wouldn't get control of the company if they split
>neither of them did the same until he pointed it out
>wife asked for a job since she has a chemical engineering degree, lucas recused himself and everyone else in the company ignored her and never replied
>employee sent dick picks to his wife but wasn't fired because he was someone's son
>tried to buy out the other brothers
>they refused
>tried to buy them out for more money
>still refused
>decided to sell his share since they were at an impasse
I think Lucas is a faggot but imagine strong arming your baby brother out of the company he founded.
 
AGPinochet said:
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Bogliacci said:
Sounds like Lucas escaped the quiverful cult
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Here's my take on the whole situation, it can be essentially boiled down to three major points

1. Lucas was naive/far too trusting/not practically selfish enough
2. Kara (I thought here name was Kayla) is a bizzaro yoko/anisa that (many would argue for the better) fucked up Lucas's life (again, many would argue in a good way)
3. Trex was full of people incapable of making good choices as evidenced by the dick pic situation
 
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