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Poop Myself To Sleep_556 said:
Not sure if anyone has seen this yet, but this was (owner of Rarebreed Firearms)Lawrence DeMonico's paraphrased stance about the whole Hoffman Tactical FRT.
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Patents aren't copyright. You don't lose it simply by not enforcing it. The 'they have no choice' line implies either they think that or they count on this common misconception to bolster their case with normies.
 
Kentucky tried recreating his nearly fatal accident by using the slap rounds he had left and then made the gun fail by using a round that would generate 190,000PSI
 
Akran said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hsw70VfSFFwKentucky tried recreating his nearly fatal accident by using the slap rounds he had left and then made the gun fail by using a round that would generate 190,000PSI
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I was about to post that one. Given he seemed to have no issue with the previous batch of SLAP rounds he had been firing pre-explosion, I'm positive the rounds he was firing this time around were counterfeit. Even very hot .50 rounds are not supposed to emboss their headstamp onto the breech block like that.
 
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Corn Flakes said:
I was about to post that one. Given he seemed to have no issue with the previous batch of SLAP rounds he had been firing pre-explosion, I'm positive the rounds he was firing this time around were counterfeit. Even very hot .50 rounds are not supposed to emboss their headstamp onto the breech block like that.
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I actually found that very interesting that they were doing that and I wish I could have been there when he told his wife what he was planning on doing in this video.
 
Corn Flakes said:
I was about to post that one. Given he seemed to have no issue with the previous batch of SLAP rounds he had been firing pre-explosion, I'm positive the rounds he was firing this time around were counterfeit. Even very hot .50 rounds are not supposed to emboss their headstamp onto the breech block like that.
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Now the real question is where did those counterfeit rounds come from and who has been making them? KB certainly has enough contacts he might be able to get to the bottom of it or find a lead.
 
wopirish said:
Now the real question is where did those counterfeit rounds come from and who has been making them? KB certainly has enough contacts he might be able to get to the bottom of it or find a lead.
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I have a feeling these rounds have a habit of passing from hand to hand and at some point in the chain of custody someone is going to say they fell off a truck, just to avoid liability.

So yeah, I don't think anything will happen to the people responsible unless whoever was loading those .50s with pistol powder posts a selfie with their loading rig.
 
wopirish said:
Now the real question is where did those counterfeit rounds come from and who has been making them? KB certainly has enough contacts he might be able to get to the bottom of it or find a lead.
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Corn Flakes said:
I have a feeling these rounds have a habit of passing from hand to hand and at some point in the chain of custody someone is going to say they fell off a truck, just to avoid liability.

So yeah, I don't think anything will happen to the people responsible unless whoever was loading those .50s with pistol powder posts a selfie with their loading rig.
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It's already difficult when they aren't legitimately or commercially available, but you also have the supposed excuse that they may be old and may have been stored in improper conditions covering any sort of intentional wrongdoing. It's a wild goose chase.
 
Akran said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hsw70VfSFFwKentucky tried recreating his nearly fatal accident by using the slap rounds he had left and then made the gun fail by using a round that would generate 190,000PSI
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Wouldn't the threads on the breach be better off as internal ones with a threaded plug rather than an externally threaded cap? Like an Artillery piece.
 
Fools Idol said:
Wouldn't the threads on the breach be better off as internal ones with a threaded plug rather than an externally threaded cap? Like an Artillery piece.
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Maybe, an interrupted thread would definitely help the thing with faster cycling although an interrupted thread would be weaker. I doubt it would be weak enough to make a tremendous difference in overall strength but for faster reloading it would probably be nice.

@Smoke Manmuscle you were talking about engineering and material science earlier in the thread, what do you think?
 
Fools Idol said:
Wouldn't the threads on the breach be better off as internal ones with a threaded plug rather than an externally threaded cap? Like an Artillery piece.
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Because the case is manually inserted and removed, a threaded plug would require threading on the inside, and thus the chamber to be reamed past the threads. The case would be difficult to remove.
With threading on the outside, you essentially require zero loss of "effective action length" and the case extractor groove can sit just a tad off the breach end and make it easier to pry it out.
Obviously with the threaded cap you have the potential for a case head failure to leak gas into the cap, and the wider surface area means more force applied on the threads. With a threaded plug you wouldn't get this area increase.
 
UVB-76 said:
Because the case is manually inserted and removed, a threaded plug would require threading on the inside, and thus the chamber to be reamed past the threads. The case would be difficult to remove.
With threading on the outside, you essentially require zero loss of "effective action length" and the case extractor groove can sit just a tad off the breach end and make it easier to pry it out.
Obviously with the threaded cap you have the potential for a case head failure to leak gas into the cap, and the wider surface area means more force applied on the threads. With a threaded plug you wouldn't get this area increase.
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What if you put a sliding breach block on it?
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
What if you put a sliding breach block on it?
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That would make it just like some kinds of artillery and obviously that's a very strong design. But these guns were made to be cheap and easy to assemble with what seem like off the shelf parts, so they ended up being as safe as "cheap" gets you. Compromises were made and it's essentially a short step above a hobbyist's homemade pipegun.

In the end the best advice is check your ammo to make sure it's not counterfeit, and don't use a pipegun with hot loads if you're gonna stand next to it.
 
Shaka Brah said:
That would make it just like some kinds of artillery and obviously that's a very strong design. But these guns were made to be cheap and easy to assemble with what seem like off the shelf parts, so they ended up being as safe as "cheap" gets you. Compromises were made and it's essentially a short step above a hobbyist's homemade pipegun.
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They look like something made out of the piping selection at a Canadian Tire, but I can't imagine that adding a Ruger No.1 style sliding block, or a Remington style rolling block would be difficult or overly expensive.
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
They look like something made out of the piping selection at a Canadian Tire, but I can't imagine that adding a Ruger No.1 style sliding block, or a Remington style rolling block would be difficult or overly expensive.
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They already sell normal bolt-action .50s which are fine and have the features you'd expect from a modern gun. These were budget guns for a market that just wanted to shoot .50 cal bullets but didn't want to make their own ghetto pipegun to do it. I doubt they cared a whole lot, otherwise the sheet metal "ears" that hold on the cap would have been better designed.
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
What if you put a sliding breach block on it?
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Sleazy Car Salesman said:
They look like something made out of the piping selection at a Canadian Tire, but I can't imagine that adding a Ruger No.1 style sliding block, or a Remington style rolling block would be difficult or overly expensive.
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All you do in that case is shift the stress around, you still need a lot of metal. So instead of a blown cap, you're risking a receiver splitting in half and flying backwards in a situation like that.

Shaka Brah said:
They already sell normal bolt-action .50s which are fine and have the features you'd expect from a modern gun. These were budget guns for a market that just wanted to shoot .50 cal bullets but didn't want to make their own ghetto pipegun to do it. I doubt they cared a whole lot, otherwise the sheet metal "ears" that hold on the cap would have been better designed.
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The round that Scott used to deliberately blow up the gun couldn't shear off the "ears" and the receiver instead blew sideways as the cap forced its way through. That was a round that was producing at least three times the maximum pressure of a "standard" .50 BMG. The one that almost killed him was likely even more overpressure. I don't think even a Ma Deuce is built to withstand that.

Really, I'd love to see that same test done with a bolt-action .50 and a semi-auto .50. I know no one is going to do it since that test would be expensive as fuck, but I'd love to see the failure modes with quadruple-overpressure .50 BMG. Seeing an AR-50 bolt flying clean out of the back of the receiver if the lugs sheared off, or a Barrett magazine being ejected by the escaping gas and embedding itself into the dirt below, shit like that.
 
There is this video, might give a little bit of an idea of how horrifying it would be to fire one of those rounds in an M2. Take note that this is a headspace and timing purposeful failure.


Not exactly many videos of M2's failing but I sure wouldn't want to fire counterfeit slapp rounds out of one. Price aside.
 
Just in case anyone is wondering why loading pistol powder into rifle cartridges is a bad, bad idea, this landed in my recommendations recently:


Ignore the douchy editing and focus on the burn times. Pistol powder burns substantially faster than rifle powder, which means packing a rifle caliber cartridge with rifle-sized loads of the stuff results in much higher pressure buildup, which might cause the gun to explode and send wonderful, wonderful shrapnel flying around.

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Ohey, I found a place I can sperg out about Captain Undercut (karl).
Or if I may paraphrase any time he splurges his opinion about anything:
"Here is my uneducated opinion I pulled out of my ass based on my personal bias, and it's empirical fact and you're an idiot if you disagree"
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
His wife looks like the demon he would have shot up his high school to try summoning.
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It's kind of ironic that Deviant Ollam has gotten all woke, and anything sexual in a way that's not in a approved way he finds offensive, but somehow he seems obsessed with sex workers.

Before he went woke, these were on his website.

This is an image that was taken of a presumably drunk girl having group sex in a pool at Defcon. Notice Deviant is taking the picture from behind her and I doubt she knows.

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Nonanalogbeing said:
It's kind of ironic that Deviant Ollam has gotten all woke, and anything sexual in a way that's not in a approved way he finds offensive, but somehow he seems obsessed with sex workers.

Before he went woke, these were on his website.

This is an image that was taken of a presumably drunk girl having group sex in a pool at Defcon. Notice Deviant is taking the picture from behind her and I doubt she knows.

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That's pretty typical for the woke tbh.
 
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