General GunTuber thread

[White Devil]

When it’s internet weirdos that never trained together vs a group that trains all the time, I’d say at the very least it’s hilarious.

Gotta give you that one, man.

 

[Still Anonymous For This]

I’ll also take rifle sights or ghost rings over a bead because they give me the option of using more sight information or less sight information depending on target size and distance. Using either with both eyes open is the same as using a bead. So much fuddlore surrounding this shit.

Today I learned that Clint Smith is a fudd.

 

[Grave Ghost]

Looks like the Azov book Ian had to pull has found a publisher.

 

[HelpingNoone]

I do think there could be interesting data that you could get from a spinner challenge. But that would be too much effort ever since Ian left.

The problem with Karl's content and fanbase is no matter how lighthearted; now there will be 20,000 idiots on Reddit and Facebook discounting bead sights on his behalf. Just like the "polymer is superior" meme, cruiser/shockwave shotguns are pointless, etc. etc.

 

[Akran]

The entire series of these is called “Spinner Challenge”. We open the video talking about that. Most of the dialogue is about engaging the spinner and the circumstances I’ve engaged them under at matches. You’re fixating on one sentence out of the entire video. People regularly say red dots on shotguns are a disadvantage or slower. Those people are full of shit

Bead sights whether on double or a single barrel are not good enough to reliably hit a spinner at 50 yards with a shotgun. The plates are 8” and 10” across. A man sized target at 50 yards, sure I’ve done that. I’ve never seen anyone reliably rotate spinners with bead sights with slugs.

I’ll also take rifle sights or ghost rings over a bead because they give me the option of using more sight information or less sight information depending on target size and distance. Using either with both eyes open is the same as using a bead. So much fuddlore surrounding this shit.

1: Spinner targets are gimmicks and gay
2: Why are you trying to hit a spinner at 50 yards with a shotgun? Why are other people trying to hit spinners at 50 yards with shotguns? Why would you reliably want to do that? Dumb.
3: "Using either with both eyes open is the same as using a bead" ???????

 

[SinistralRifleman]

1: Spinner targets are gimmicks and gay
2: Why are you trying to hit a spinner at 50 yards with a shotgun? Why are other people trying to hit spinners at 50 yards with shotguns? Why would you reliably want to do that? Dumb.
3: "Using either with both eyes open is the same as using a bead" ???????

1) universally people who say that suck at them. It’s a target that requires patience, consistent accuracy, and timing, and has basically no reset.

2) many major 3 gun matches I’ve attended over the years have used this as a shotgun slug target at 50-75 yards. It’s a shooting challenge that pushes the capabilities of the shooter and the gun. At any given match there’s challenge that are stupid and impractical. Even if you feel that way about them you better be competent at them if you want to place well. That’s why.

3) yes, you ignore the rear sight as it ghosts out and the front sight functions as a bead. This works even better with fiber optics or high viz front sights.

That’s what I’m doing for all the moving target engagements here https://youtu.be/ZgR39R3LGuU

 

[HumptiDouji]

They perform this test in the fucking stupidest way possible by comparing a sxs firing slugs against a pump gun with a red dot at 50 yards against a spinner target.

I actually agree that it's an odd comparison, as a double-barrel seems like it could complicate that. More on that later.

Karl literally says people who say irons (a bead in this case) on shotguns are wrong.

Did he? I only looked at the video, the conclusion he makes is that a decent optic will be better for shooting slugs, I didn't hear him say beads are obsolete or not useful.

You developed a nonsensical test. If the point was just to fuck around, that’s awesome, but Karl is trying to pass this off as empirical data when it isn’t. The fact that, of course a sxs would inherently be far less accurate than a pump gun, is never brought up by either of you in the video and you’re only downplaying it now after everyone has brought it up, because of-fucking-course it had an affect on the results.

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>obviously misses to the left when firing the left barrel
>obviously missses to the right when firing the right barrel
>”I know how to pattern this shotgun, it being a SxS has nothing to do with it!”

Coming back from that first point. Now, I don't have that much experience with shotguns, particularly with slugs, (so please correct me if I'm making dumb assumptions here) but I know that double-barreled guns need to have their barrels regulated together for point of impact to be practical, and that this gets to be really expensive when it comes to rifle barrels which have to exhibit a lot more precision than smooth bores slinging shot.

Regulating a pair of smooth shotgun bores for point of impact with slugs seems like the effort you wouldn't see with anything that's not on the nicer side, so I figure the offset points of impact there makes a difference too, not just the different sights.
Rifle sights and especially a red dot would obviously be preferable for shooting slugs, but not having to account for your right and left shots going right and left and adjusting back and forth for that, with slugs, seems like it would make a lot of difference.
It'd be worth redoing with a single-barreled gun with a bead, or with just the one barrel.

I have no doubts that shotgun does great with shot as intended, but slugs aren't shot.
I notice he's mad as fuck, also.

Looks like the Azov book Ian had to pull has found a publisher.

Good to hear, as long as it can be published. Hell, there's probably a Part 2 in the making because of current events even. Hopefully Ian can mend things with Popenker at some point, but it's probably going to be quite a while until that even comes on the table.

2: Why are you trying to hit a spinner at 50 yards with a shotgun? Why are other people trying to hit spinners at 50 yards with shotguns? Why would you reliably want to do that? Dumb.

For sport?

 

[WhoBusTank69]

but I know that double-barreled guns need to have their barrels regulated together for point of impact to be practical, and that this gets to be really expensive when it comes to rifle barrels which have to exhibit a lot more precision than smooth bores slinging shot.

There's a few layers to it, and knowing shotguns will reveal why this experiment was performed even more pants-on-head; the barrels of a doublegun are regulated to fire shot at roughly the same point at a specific distance. Shot, mind you. The problem for different projectiles being introduced are deviations in the barrels on both planes(x, y) that will then impact the presumed accuracy of a slug through the now-bent tube, to bring in minor hyperbole. Double rifles on the cheaper end are notorious for poor regulation, one barrel shoots high and one shoots low, some have tensioners for left/right but not much else and they share a single sighting system. Very bad for precision.

A bead is difficult for marksmanship because it is not meant for accuracy, it is meant for speed with the benefit of shot spread because the targets are small and fast. Intuition and experience takes over similar to traditional bare-bow archery where people "just know" where they're aiming but can't exactly pull off a William Tell over and over again whereas with a sighted compound bow you can wreck your own arrows for days.

Put these together up against a pump action that doesn't have the quirks of aligning barrels and you've already got problems, now narrow your cone of fire to a single projectile and you've got massively skewed results without even considering the red dot.

 

[HelpingNoone]

Karl getting tired of his fans thanking Ian for the content...

 

[Panama]

Looks like the Azov book Ian had to pull has found a publisher.

Talk about bad timing. If he had waited a month it would have been featured as a NYT best seller. Slav nazis are good nazis now.

 

[Archie_Kimkicker]

Karl getting tired of his fans thanking Ian for the content...
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Somebody's maaaad, aaaaaaah!

 

[AGPinochet]

Karl is sticking it to da chuds
Link

https://twitter.com/InRangeTV/status/1517350853887201280?s=20&t=pTcLtkp2Yr7PZrD2qz-nFQ

From the replies, Karl demonstrating his butthurt towards the evil Christians.
Link

https://twitter.com/InRangeTV/status/1517540839454511106?s=20&t=pTcLtkp2Yr7PZrD2qz-nFQ

From the tweet

 

[Grave Ghost]

From the replies, Karl demonstrating his butthurt towards the evil Christians.

Yes Karl, the NS regiment that has Pagan rituals and has idols to Odin and Perun on their military bases are totally Christian nationalists broski!

 

[Quantrell Bishop]

Yes Karl, the NS regiment that has Pagan rituals and has idols to Odin and Perun on their military bases are totally Christian nationalists broski!

I think he's talking about the book publisher.
For example:
https://antelopehillpublishing.com/product/faith-and-heritage-a-christian-nationalist-anthology/

 

[Corn Flakes]

I think he's talking about the book publisher.
For example:
https://antelopehillpublishing.com/product/faith-and-heritage-a-christian-nationalist-anthology/

Man, these guys really look like /pol/ if /pol/ had a publishing house. Phew. I feel my VPN provider is on a watchlist now.

 

[Archie_Kimkicker]

Man, these guys really look like /pol/ if /pol/ had a publishing house. Phew. I feel my VPN provider is on a watchlist now.

Probably FBI dark money keeping them in business, just like Martinet Press.

 

[BONE_Buddy]

Probably FBI dark money keeping them in business, just like Martinet Press.

Maybe, but one must always remember that bigots have dollars too, and somebody is going to take them.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Maybe, but one must always remember that bigots have dollars too, and somebody is going to take them.

Antelope Hill is the primary publisher for samizdat books in the US these days. They take on anything that gets a lot of heat and seems interesting.

 

[AGPinochet]

Karl continues to stick it to da chuds

Karl is also okay with doxing the chud bigots too I guess, I doubt he would be fine with one of his beloved Autogynephiles being doxed by the bigot chuds

The “Hate Group“ are some white trash skinheads latching onto the groomer crusade (pretty smart for nazi larpers)

 

[HelpingNoone]

This is what I meant earlier. 4 posts dedicated bead sights. Who is this for? The 8 people who disagreed? InRange is the ultimate channel for arguing against strawmen.