General GunTuber thread

[Mikoyan]

Apparently Ian has some more things to say about the P320 on his instagram:
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"Can SIG recover from the P320? Well, S&W recovered from when gun V95139 fell out of a holster and killed a US Navy sailor, and the Model 10 isn't considered an unsafe gun today..."

Oh god, the SME term has been deployed. It was only a matter of time.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Apparently Ian has some more things to say about the P320 on his instagram:
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"Can SIG recover from the P320? Well, S&W recovered from when gun V95139 fell out of a holster and killed a US Navy sailor, and the Model 10 isn't considered an unsafe gun today..."

Smith also changed the design after it happened. Was the Big FDE SIG P320 worth the loss of credibility, Ian?

 

[Zorak Prison Pod]

I don't get it. Is "V95139" the serial number of that particular S&W?

 

[WhoBusTank69]

I don't get it. Is "V95139" the serial number of that particular S&W?

Yes. The irony hasn't dawned on him that the specific gun was recorded, the design flaw is known and Smith course-corrected after the single incident.

 

[Autistic Gunspergings]

THE P320 QUESTION HAS BEEN COVERED BY MOISTCRITICAL
THIS IS NOT A DRILL

whats the over status for sig right now?

 

[waffle]

Is this confirmation that They consider WW3 to have already started? I mean victory revolvers were pushed out under the gun of WW2.

I looked it up, https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/v-is-for-victory-the-smith-wesson-victory-model-revolver/

One guy dropped his revolver (kind of sounds like it was from up high) and it landed on the hammer and went off. S&W made a stronger hammer block basically instantly because they didn't want to loose the contract to Colt.

 

[Internorth Inc]

Yes. The irony hasn't dawned on him that the specific gun was recorded, the design flaw is known and Smith course-corrected after the single incident.

Even more ironic is the fact that his video on the Zip-22 is titled "How a Garbage Gun Destroyed A Good Company", yet now he's acting like releasing a shitty product has never tanked a manufacturer before.

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

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I had that video pop up on Youtube earlier today, but the moment he soyed out at the very beginning of the video, I immediately stopped watching and only realized that it was a pretty informative video after I saw a bunch of other people talking about it. I will never understand the "appeal" of that face. It feels fake and performative every single time I have ever seen it.

Yes. The irony hasn't dawned on him that the specific gun was recorded, the design flaw is known and Smith course-corrected after the single incident.

Ian is clearly trying really hard to cover for Sig. At this point it is really obvious that this is not him "covering his ass", but him trying to cover for a company that has maimed and killed people due to its negligence. I have lost significant amounts of respect for Ian after seeing how he has handled the last two Sig videos. The guy knows his opinion on guns carry weight, so trying to carry water for Sig after they have done what they have done is extremely unethical.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

I had that video pop up on Youtube earlier today, but the moment he soyed out at the very beginning of the video, I immediately stopped watching and only realized that it was a pretty informative video after I saw a bunch of other people talking about it. I will never understand the "appeal" of that face. It feels fake and performative every single time I have ever seen it.

The worst part is that he's not an idiot and he's a really good shooter from the few other videos I watched/skimmed. I guess he was just dumbfounded his assumption was correct but man that's an unfortunate response.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

Apparently Ian has some more things to say about the P320 on his instagram:
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"Can SIG recover from the P320? Well, S&W recovered from when gun V95139 fell out of a holster and killed a US Navy sailor, and the Model 10 isn't considered an unsafe gun today..."

Why is Ian simping so hard for SIG. They don't even make cool or interesting guns anymore nor do they suit his light weight baby hands style of race guns he likes. What do they have in their vault that he is so desperate to get in?
If you were Ian, what would be the holy grail gun you would want to finger fuck and shoot so bad you suck sig dick?
I think for me it would need to be one of the Gustloff StGs with the gas delayed blow back or a Fedorov Avtomat or the jap toggle lock rifles like the Type Hei.

 

[Mr.Bucket]

Why is Ian simping so hard for SIG.

Cuz he gets free expensive guns from gun companies and doesn't want to cut off a potential source of free shit if they ever pull themselves around.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

Cuz he gets free expensive guns from gun companies and doesn't want to cut off a potential source of free shit if they ever pull themselves around.

He could just shut up and by virtue of being a big fish he would get gibs. He is glazing them because he wants something more than just basic bitch review guns.

 

[Unimaginative Username]

Ian is clearly trying really hard to cover for Sig. At this point it is really obvious that this is not him "covering his ass", but him trying to cover for a company that has maimed and killed people due to its negligence. I have lost significant amounts of respect for Ian after seeing how he has handled the last two Sig videos. The guy knows his opinion on guns carry weight, so trying to carry water for Sig after they have done what they have done is extremely unethical.

I imagine that part of it is wanting to show that he's a "team player" for the industry at large and the government, to ensure that other manufacturers continue to let him have access to their private collections and that US government museums like Springfield Armory and the Cody Firearms Museum will continue to let him have access to firearms held in storage and not out for public display.

But another part, that I think is just as big, is just his rampant neophilia. Metal injection molding isn't commonly used in firearms manufacturing (for good reason), so SIG doing it was novel and therefore cool. His worst videos have always been the ones where he fellates some company for doing something that the rest of the industry isn't and pissing on the fuddy-duddies for not being on board with it. Consider his video on the Remington EtronX:

He starts off by sneering at the idea that being able to handload cartridges is a legitimate concern, which is partially his bias toward two-gun competition using military surplus ammo, since bullseye competition shooters who obsessively tune their ammunition to their specific barrels and hunters who want to use boutique bullets that simply aren't available in factory-loaded ammo would both strenuously disagree. (He's also awfully dismissive of anyone who can't afford to just go out and buy another rifle if a flavor-of-the-month cartridge is discontinued.) Then at the end, he pretends that paranoid worries about the government disabling guns through EMP was one of the things that killed the electronic primer concept while failing to address that, at the time of the video's release, we'd had years of electronics manufacturers doing things like disabling the scanner in multifunction inkjet printers until an "expired" ink cartridge is replaced and that people might not want firearms manufacturers sticking their camel's nose under that particular tent. But it was new and technologically advanced, so that makes it cool and serious criticism invalid. He's also made a video on the Mini-14, glazing Ruger for using investment casting instead of forging (again, a fairly-novel process for the industry) for supposedly reducing cost without sacrificing quality (the Mini-14 is perfect for this, since it has no direct competitors while something like the Ruger Hawkeye would invite an MSRP comparison against the forged-receiver Winchester Model 70 and make you wonder where the savings actually are), and I'm sure there are a few others that are evading my memory.

 

[big pauper]

Ian is clearly trying really hard to cover for Sig. At this point it is really obvious that this is not him "covering his ass", but him trying to cover for a company that has maimed and killed people due to its negligence. I have lost significant amounts of respect for Ian after seeing how he has handled the last two Sig videos. The guy knows his opinion on guns carry weight, so trying to carry water for Sig after they have done what they have done is extremely unethical.

There's a particular personality or character to him that i've seen in other people and i have generally considered to be "decent guys" but as i get older i've started to realize that its just sycophantry and they just spend an exceptional amount of effort trying to make everyone's opinion of them positive. The opinion of someone who is trying to be neutral is worse than useless, it's actively harmful to anybody trying to get a clear read of a room, which is the worst possible outcome if you want people to take you seriously as an intellectual.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

Apparently Ian has some more things to say about the P320 on his instagram:
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"Can SIG recover from the P320? Well, S&W recovered from when gun V95139 fell out of a holster and killed a US Navy sailor, and the Model 10 isn't considered an unsafe gun today..."

I can throw a new model 10 off a cliff and it won't fire. it has a rebounding hammer (if it has a hammer mounted firing pin) or a transfer bar AND a inertial drop safety (they are replacing the Hillary hole with these)

 

[Samhain]

The worst part is that he's not an idiot and he's a really good shooter from the few other videos I watched/skimmed. I guess he was just dumbfounded his assumption was correct but man that's an unfortunate response.

He seemed legit surprised when he managed to get the first primed case to go off. Maybe he thought he'd get a light primer strike or something.

That said, the guy at LFD Research doesn't seem to think Wyoming Gun Project's test means much. He's been studying all the various changes across the P320 lineup, and is looking for P320 owners to fill out a survey.

 

[Seafarer]

The opinion of someone who is trying to be neutral is worse than useless, it's actively harmful to anybody trying to get a clear read of a room, which is the worst possible outcome if you want people to take you seriously as an intellectual.

It’s basically a variation of this tweet:


It’s a very real phenomenon you see when people try really hard to fencesit. Iirc Centrist lolcow Short Fat Otaku would do this a lot where he would only publish a certain amount of videos critical of one side of the political spectrum before exclusively focusing on the other side in order to “not upset the balance”, even if one side was by his own admission doing more retarded shit.

 

[waffle]

Basically the most recent lesson of the P330 saga is the Zap Branigan "what fills a man's heart with neutrality?" speech, but unironically.

 

[Dick Johnson]

Even more ironic is the fact that his video on the Zip-22 is titled "How a Garbage Gun Destroyed A Good Company", yet now he's acting like releasing a shitty product has never tanked a manufacturer before.

The Zip22 situation was a different kettle of fish. USFA was a niche manufacturer that completely switched their production from replica Single Action Army revolvers to the Zip22. Sig's pretty big, and has a varied product line. The P22X pistols, the P365 and the rifles don't seem like they're catching too much heat from the P320 fire. It's a lot easier for a company to course-correct from one bad product if they've got several, than if that one product is their whole company.

They're going to live with the reputational hit from the 320, though.

 

[waffle]

the rifles don't seem like they're catching too much heat from the P320 fire

The MCX rifles are so rare and expensive that only the super kool aid chuggers have one. People in the military aren't saying good things about them, and the fancy space ammo seems to be giving them endless problems.

They're going to go back to the drawing board and come out with some new M4a2 that has tougher bolt lugs and a hardened feed ramp so you can just feed it M855A1 all day.