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the problems with hunting projectiles comes from the fact that manufacturers (Speer, Hornady, Sierra etc) have to make projectiles that can work across a wide spectrum of velocities. The manufacturer makes bullets for a caliber not a cartridge. a .30 cal bullet might be loaded in a .30-40, 7.62N or a .300 win mag. making a bullet that will perform in all of those is hard and it leads to more chances of a poor outcome.

the humble .30-30 Winchester center fire has a great reputation for killing game large and small. it's a light weight cartridge compared to .30-06 but it punches above it's apparent weight class because the .30-30's projectiles are tailored to it. they are made to expand at .30-30 velocities and work perfectly at the average .30-30 engagement distance. the reason for this is there is no comparable .30 cal lever action cartridge that is popular enough to manufacture which lets them tailor the bullet to the cartridge.

The opposite example is the .270 Winchester. when it was released just after WW1 it was like winchester had captured lighting in the cartridge case. if you had a .270 you might as well have been dressed in a robe and carrying a scythe into the woods because you were killing a deer that day. the 130gr bullet was tailored to the cartridge.

But as the years went on and more .270 cal cartridges came to market bullets became compromises and velocities dropped until by the 1990s the .270 had a well-earned reputation for slow kills within 100 yards and wounding past that distance. it's only recently (post 9/11) that the velocity craze has lead to tougher .270 bullets becoming available and now the .270 is once again shooting a 130gr over 3000FPS like it was designed to do and is back dropping deer in their tracks.
 
Tony Gonzales, current representative of Texa's 23rd district and opponent of Youtuber Brandon Herrera, has been confirmed to be in a sexual affair with a married staff member by the husband and friend of her. Unfortunately, she committed suicide by self-immolation a few months ago.

Instead of Tony admitting to it, he has accused "voted by neo nazis" Brandon for conspiring with her husband to fabricate this story.

 
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Rendang said:
Tony Gonzales, current representative of Texa's 23rd district and opponent of Youtuber Brandon Herrera, has been confirmed to be in a sexual affair with a married staff member by the husband and friend of her. Unfortunately, she committed suicide by self-immolation a few months ago.

Instead of Tony admitting to it, he has accused "voted by neo nazis" Brandon for conspiring with her husband.

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I really need the good spic to beat the bad spic so I can at least pretend that sometimes evil men don't win.
 
Rendang said:
Tony Gonzales, current representative of Texa's 23rd district and opponent of Youtuber Brandon Herrera, has been confirmed to be in a sexual affair with a married staff member by the husband and friend of her. Unfortunately, she committed suicide by self-immolation a few months ago.

Instead of Tony admitting to it, he has accused "voted by neo nazis" Brandon for conspiring with her husband.

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As we all know, ungrounded conspiracy claims are evidence of a truly honest person. I can’t believe Leviathan Group would stoop this low, but what can you expect from a group that’s clearly bent on world domination.
 
Rendang said:
Tony Gonzales, current representative of Texa's 23rd district and opponent of Youtuber Brandon Herrera, has been confirmed to be in a sexual affair with a married staff member by the husband and friend of her. Unfortunately, she committed suicide by self-immolation a few months ago.

Instead of Tony admitting to it, he has accused "voted by neo nazis" Brandon for conspiring with her husband to fabricate this story.

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The bread is stale, and the circus is boring.
 
quaawaa said:
Tim Sundles is now saying that Charlie Kirk wasn’t killed by a 30-06 round and that the government is either covering up the real cause of death or that he’s still alive:
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I mean, I saw his neck explode live. I'm pretty sure a 30-06 round could easily do that, and I'm also certain that bullets do weird shit all the time when they smash into living tissue, and may not "behave" as "expected".

He's sure as fuck not alive, he was clearly dead in like 10 seconds after that shot, and even if he got shot IN THE ER with a trama team PREPPED AND READY he would've still died in 10 seconds flat, as its really fucking hard to stitch up an exploded carotid artery.
 
BikeLock said:
He's sure as fuck not alive, he was clearly dead in like 10 seconds after that shot, and even if he got shot IN THE ER with a trama team PREPPED AND READY he would've still died in 10 seconds flat, as its really fucking hard to stitch up an exploded carotid artery.
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My man he was dead before he even knew what hit him, that rapid drop in blood pressure would have hard shut down his brain near instantly.
 
BikeLock said:
I mean, I saw his neck explode live. I'm pretty sure a 30-06 round could easily do that, and I'm also certain that bullets do weird shit all the time when they smash into living tissue, and may not "behave" as "expected".

He's sure as fuck not alive, he was clearly dead in like 10 seconds after that shot, and even if he got shot IN THE ER with a trama team PREPPED AND READY he would've still died in 10 seconds flat, as its really fucking hard to stitch up an exploded carotid artery.
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Just about any rifle round from .223 rem and up would have done the same. The poor man was killed instantly.
 
Shot a water jug with a dudes 30-06 and whatever Remington or Winchester hunting ammo and I could see that happening to a neck but definitely not the no exit wound thing. You'd probably be pushing it with penetration using a 55gn .22 VMAX let alone a 150gn+ 30-06 likely meant for deer on up
 
Unimaginative Username said:
Who says that's what it was? You can get bullets as light as 123 grains and, while Lapua's factory load has a muzzle velocity of nearly 3,000 fps, who's to say he didn't inherit a box or two of his grandfather's handloads with a velocity in the more typical range?
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And if he were using Winchester ammo the 150gr bullets they use are fucking dogshit and shatter like crazy on deer, especially the Deer Season XP stuff since they use the same projectile for all 30 caliber loads.
 
BikeLock said:
I mean, I saw his neck explode live. I'm pretty sure a 30-06 round could easily do that, and I'm also certain that bullets do weird shit all the time when they smash into living tissue, and may not "behave" as "expected".

He's sure as fuck not alive, he was clearly dead in like 10 seconds after that shot, and even if he got shot IN THE ER with a trama team PREPPED AND READY he would've still died in 10 seconds flat, as its really fucking hard to stitch up an exploded carotid artery.
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Personally, I’m waiting for the Trooncock Ball istician * to make a video on .30-06 before I decide what to believe about Charlie’s neck, tbh.

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quaawaa said:
Tim Sundles is now saying that Charlie Kirk wasn’t killed by a 30-06 round and that the government is either covering up the real cause of death or that he’s still alive:
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30-06 Did NOT Kill Charlie. We will shoot several more cull animals in the neck over the next few weeks to demonstrate what the 30-06 does to real living mammals. These are not simulations or guess work. They are real shots on live animals in a hunting environment. Are you as sick of government lies as we are???? For educational purposes only
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He's doubling down:
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While we do not intend to beat a dead horse much further over the Kirk neck shot, it is our goal to prove (as well as can be done) that this Kirk shooting is a cover-up. Never mind the remainder of Kirk shooting story, is as implausible as the 30-06 part of the story. Never mind Erika's conduct after the shooting. If you are not informed on all of this, you may want to get informed, before you comment. For Educational Purposes Only
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Unimaginative Username said:
Who says that's what it was? You can get bullets as light as 123 grains and, while Lapua's factory load has a muzzle velocity of nearly 3,000 fps, who's to say he didn't inherit a box or two of his grandfather's handloads with a velocity in the more typical range?
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Yeah but how likely do you think that is though? I've shot raccoons, coyotes, and porcupines with 5.56 55 grain FMJs and it leaves a pretty rugged exit hole. Haven't shot much with VMAX besides water jugs and pumpkins but I can't imagine anything more than a .22 varmint bullet staying inside a neck.
Having killed pigs with .308 and 12 gauge slugs with a headshot, their skull expands like 15% for a split second and their eyes extend an inch or so during that time like Roger Rabbit and stay out at least half an inch more than normal. Skinning the thing and their head falls right off when you skin to a certain point on it's neck sometimes. This is a headshot and on a pig, but with .308 soft points having that effect AND BLOWING A HOLE IN THE GROUND I doubt a 30-06 would stay in a neck a quarter the thickness and way less rugged than a pig head.
Even a 5.56 I have doubts but haven't personally shot anything with varmint bullets that I'd be able to compare to the dudes neck. Not penetrating a neck could possibly be a .22lr, maybe hollow point.

In Tim's videos both a couple days ago and the one from today his point seems to be that Charlie wasn't gotten by a 30-06 which I agree with. In the new one the twitching thing, that's whatever as sometimes things switch and sometimes they don't in my experience hunting/pesting.
 
SHIGGSHOGG said:
Yeah but how likely do you think that is though?
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There are too many variables to account for to make a matter-of-fact statement. We don't know the ammunition and ALL that entails, we don't know the precise angle, we don't know the exact point of impact and what the bullet may have struck and we never will know any of that.
What I do know, and what Tim should know is that when the bullet hits the flesh all theory is thrown out the window and weird shit happens. There's footage of him shooting a water buffalo with it just ignoring every shot and continuing to graze, did he stage that with blanks? Is he a big fat phony? Probably not, but using the same logic as he is I could press the issue.
 
WhoBusTank69 said:
There are too many variables to account for to make a matter-of-fact statement. We don't know the ammunition and ALL that entails, we don't know the precise angle, we don't know the exact point of impact and what the bullet may have struck and we never will know any of that.
What I do know, and what Tim should know is that when the bullet hits the flesh all theory is thrown out the window and weird shit happens. There's footage of him shooting a water buffalo with it just ignoring every shot and continuing to graze, did he stage that with blanks? Is he a big fat phony? Probably not, but using the same logic as he is I could press the issue.
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It was a Cape Buffalo (much tougher than a water buffalo) and he shot it 5 times with a .600 nitro double rifle with 2 soft point bullets and 3 solid bullets all weighing 900 grains. all shots were broadside so the solids would have just passed through with no expansion. judging from the video all shots were fatal.
fact is, unless you break bones, destroy the CNS system or disrupt the autonomic plexus the animal will live for some time until it's runs out of oxygen due to destroyed lungs or lack of blood pressure via bleeding. It's why a deer that's been double lunged can run 50 to 100 yards despite wounds that will kill it in 10-20 seconds. In the video, despite the cuts it doesn't appear the buffalo walked more than 30 yards and all the shots looked to be back to back as Tim only moved a few feet from his first firing position. standard practice with dangerous game is to keep shooting until the animal is down.

I'm not disagreeing with your point though. just adding some more context because Cape buffalo are uniquely hard to kill, and are comparable to elephant in their toughness and ability to tank hits.

I've not read the coroners report but I have to imagine that the bullet blew up on impact, or was deflected by the spine down into the chest cavity. The Coroner did say that Charlie had abnormally dense bones.
 
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