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TerminalTryHard said:
. It was only cheap in the US cause the USSR made 10s of millions of rounds and they mostly sat in warehouses until the USSR collapsed. Steel case was always going to run out eventually, and people were going to have to buy brass eventually.
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This isn't true though, mild steel just is a cheaper material per pound than brass (and it's less dense so you get more cases per pound), most of that steel case ammo was new production from Serbia (IIRC) and got hit by sanctions/bans. Allegedly it is going to come back soon as the same rule change that is going to let MG barrels in again is going to let it come back.

Your instincts are also right in that some of the savings surely come from wages/costs being lower where it's made - Privi brass ammo is pretty cheap too.

There was significant R&D done to make them run and it’s why no US manufacturer has ever gotten steel cases to run right (see Winchester USA forged reviews).

Hornady has made good steel casesed ammo, i think they still do. The Winchester stuff sucked because the costing on the cases was so rough that it would make the rounds stick to each other and bind up in the magazine. Like when you hold them they feel like sandpaper, it's ridiculous that they ever shipped them like that.
 
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waffle said:
Hornady has made good steel casesed ammo, i think they still do. The Winchester stuff sucked because the costing on the cases was so rough that it would make the rounds stick to each other and bind up in the magazine. Like when you hold them they feel like sandpaper, it's ridiculous that they ever shipped them like that.
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That because Hornady wasn’t making the cases. They were buying them from overseas and just loading them. Winchester tried to make the cases in house and they sucked cause they didn’t put the years of R&D into the coatings that the Soviets had.
 
I dont see how it can takes years of R&d to bribe some Serbian guy with $5,000 and a case of vodka to to tell you what they put on the outside of Wolf. Winchesters offering was downright embarrassing, I think you're cutting them too much slack.
 
BikeLock said:
Back in the day I DID buy a Saiga 7.62 for $400, unconverted, of course.

That was almost 20 years ago. Trench was literally not old enough to buy this shit "back in the day", lmao.

Unfortunately I'm old enough to regret not buying more, but that's just how it goes with weapons made by our sometimes enemies that are banned from import because "reasons".
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Yeah if he's 32 there's no fucking way. He also mentioned 1200 rounds in a spam can with his $300 wasr... a spam can was a bit over 600. 1200 rounds was a crate of 2 so he got that wrong. And out of curiosity because I of the timing, if he's 32 that makes him 18 in 2012. Atlantic was already selling pap m70's for damn near $700, vepr's for over $700, arsenal over $1000, and the only offering they had at even $400 then was those sporterized saigas with the shitty plastic furniture and the trigger in the wrong fucking spot that you had to convert with everyone online pretending to give a shit about 922(r). This can be easily confirmed on archive.org

And the entire reason why, was due to the near constant state of panic that Obama was going to ban everything at any moment that drove prices up and availability down compared to what they would have been prior to that. By that point you were getting sub $400 AKs via random deals following slickguns.net and anything reputable got bought up pretty quick, again leaving all of the shit like the saiga sporters, shit with weird thumbhole stocks, and so on.

These are from 2011
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The man is completely full of shit.
waffle said:
I dont see how it can takes years of R&d to bribe some Serbian guy with $5,000 and a case of vodka to to tell you what they put on the outside of Wolf. Winchesters offering was downright embarrassing, I think you're cutting them too much slack.
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It really doesn't, just the same as there's no mysticism about steel case ammo.
 
Everyone who did not buy an unconverted Saiga before they were banned when they could have done so for $400 is not really an AK guy.

I didn't like that it lacked a bayo lug on the gas block, or lacked the proper AK103 brake, but it was $400 AND AN ACTUAL RUSSIAN AK. I don't know if younger kiwi's know this or not, BUT WE'VE NEVER HAD REAL RUSSIAN COMMERCIAL AK'S IN THE US MARKET before the Saiga, and have not since their import ban. Picking up a 7.62 at the time was a no-brainer if you even casually liked AK's, really. And yes, I shit all over everyone who bought a WASR instead the time, lmao.

The conversion process was fairly simple, and easy to do if you had any sort of mechanical ability. Lots of instructions online, and Saiga12.com had all the cool parts (I even got a kit with a Tapco G2 hammer machned to keep the Saiga specfic bolt hold open, because that shit is handy), including an easy to install bullet guide so that you can just file down the saiga magazine latch a bit until it can seat regular AK magazines. Mine eats soft point brown bear just fine. I think it cost me around $100 in parts and a few hours of work at the time.

I really do regret not picking one up in 5.56 at the time.

Also, the only spam cans that were over 1k rounds were 5.45, it was like 1050 or 1150 something like that.. Wasn't an even K for some reason.
 
The ship on slavshit pretty much sailed with sandyhook. That's when they made it so you couldn't get kits with barrels and the real value, other than occasional flash deals, was always in building out a kit gun. My dad bought me and him ARs right after the AWB sunset and they were like $550 at the gun show when AKs were around $400 and mostly didn't have an optics rail - so the value proposition of built guns was always somewhat questionable. $150 was a lot more money then, but those $550 ARs were still fully .modern ARs with flat tops and M4 feed ramps.
 
BikeLock said:
Everyone who did not buy an unconverted Saiga before they were banned when they could have done so for $400 is not really an AK guy.

I didn't like that it lacked a bayo lug on the gas block, or lacked the proper AK103 brake, but it was $400 AND AN ACTUAL RUSSIAN AK. I don't know if younger kiwi's know this or not, BUT WE'VE NEVER HAD REAL RUSSIAN COMMERCIAL AK'S IN THE US MARKET before the Saiga, and have not since their import ban. Picking up a 7.62 at the time was a no-brainer if you even casually liked AK's, really. And yes, I shit all over everyone who bought a WASR instead the time, lmao.

The conversion process was fairly simple, and easy to do if you had any sort of mechanical ability. Lots of instructions online, and Saiga12.com had all the cool parts (I even got a kit with a Tapco G2 hammer machned to keep the Saiga specfic bolt hold open, because that shit is handy), including an easy to install bullet guide so that you can just file down the saiga magazine latch a bit until it can seat regular AK magazines. Mine eats soft point brown bear just fine. I think it cost me around $100 in parts and a few hours of work at the time.

I really do regret not picking one up in 5.56 at the time.

Also, the only spam cans that were over 1k rounds were 5.45, it was like 1050 or 1150 something like that.. Wasn't an even K for some reason.
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Sure, but that's not getting a saiga(and he specifically said WASR-10) and going to the range with a spam can(which he got the count wrong) the same day to go "shooting garbage"(his words, probably shooting crap in a dirt field is what he imagined).

waffle said:
The ship on slavshit pretty much sailed with sandyhook. That's when they made it so you couldn't get kits with barrels and the real value, other than occasional flash deals, was always in building out a kit gun. My dad bought me and him ARs right after the AWB sunset and they were like $550 at the gun show when AKs were around $400 and mostly didn't have an optics rail - so the value proposition of built guns was always somewhat questionable. $150 was a lot more money then, but those $550 ARs were still fully .modern ARs with flat tops and M4 feed ramps.
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This was definitely true, but for quite a few years there was a lot of dumb shit with the feedramps, having the regular barrel extension and the upper with the m4 ramps(really bad) and vice versa(not as bad), goofy gas blocks, bullshit BCGs, but as long as you avoided all of that you could definitely get a good rifle for a decent price.
 
Honestly back in the day we would run cases of steel case wolf 223 through garbage carry handle DPMS carbine 10.5's with the mega ugly 6" "XM177" permanently attached flash hider and call it good.

Just mag dump into trash, as God intended. Just think of all the cash I could've burned through back then if FRT's were a thing, holy shit....
 
BikeLock said:
Honestly back in the day we would run cases of steel case wolf 223 through garbage carry handle DPMS carbine 10.5's with the mega ugly 6" "XM177" permanently attached flash hider and call it good.

Just mag dump into trash, as God intended. Just think of all the cash I could've burned through back then if FRT's were a thing, holy shit....
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I remember shooting my M4orgery until it was too hot to hold and pouring water over the barrel to cool it before coming home. My exercise routine at the time was fire 5 rounds into a plate at 100, sprint 10 yards fire 5 and repeat.
 
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