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You'd think AR nuts would just build their own if they wanted one, though.
Definitely was a huge point of contention throughout since it's a very particular build put together by 2-gun shooters.
Most people go with stubby barrels because velocity is an afterthought when it comes to prancing around shooting cardboard, so they might even lose that market. Their market, mainly, is fanboys, which is dwindling due to a combination of odd design choices and Karl's sperging.
 

Yeah I don't like this guy already. He has multiple videos where he "checkmates" random commenters.

This is exactly the type of stuff Karl does. He finds some random comment, dedicates hours of his time filming and posting a response, then deludes himself into thinking he has won because he had the last word.

Atun Shei isn't necessarily wrong about a lot of the Anti-Confederate points he has, but he comes off as a fucking retard when he strawmans the Confederate in every video as some mouth-breathing dipshit and the Unionist as a pariah of reason and morality. People like him honestly believe the nation is at risk of being divided by rednecks living in run-down single wide trailers with faded Confederate flags hung from their windows.

That being said, Jefferson Davis should have been hung in the dress he tried hiding in.

Everything about the WWSD just reeks of cheap. Not bothering to make a new forging or acquire true slickside uppers, the 16" barrel instead of a 14.5" pinned one, basic-ass A2 birdcage on a $1700 rifle, for fuck's sake.

I get the concept of an uber-light AR, but I'm just not sure who their fucking market is supposed to be, other than people enamored by their Youtube channels. If shaving ounces is your fetish, you're just going to build the thing on your own in the first place. You'll definitely spend less and get a better product than what Karl is shitting out.

To be fair, I would not want an off-the-shelf rifle to come pre-pinned. I've got one 14.5" pinned upper that I've built myself and other than being a more appealing-looking rifle, I find it difficult to see any real difference in handling from my 16" uppers. I'm not clearing rooms with a SWAT team, so what the fuck do I care?

My favorite upper I own is a PSA 20" HBAR mated to an unmarked A1 upper from the 1980s, so take my opinions with a grain of salt.
 
I'm surprised they didn't put some linear comp on to try and get better recoil without kicking up piles of dust.

I was looking at the wwsd parts list and what happened to the adjustible gas block? I could have sworn that one of the things they talked about when they first did this project was that they had an adjusrir gas block and that.the jp buffer could have it's spring rate adjusted so you can turn the gun for lower recoil.
 
I was looking at the wwsd parts list and what happened to the adjustible gas block? I could have sworn that one of the things they talked about when they first did this project was that they had an adjusrir gas block and that.the jp buffer could have it's spring rate adjusted so you can turn the gun for lower recoil.
Something something too heavy, so much ounces
The focus was much more on weight savings than anything else. There are skeletonized ARs out there cheaper than Karl's rifle, so there's still questions as to what their market is.
 
Something something too heavy, so much ounces
The focus was much more on weight savings than anything else. There are skeletonized ARs out there cheaper than Karl's rifle, so there's still questions as to what their market is.
I eventually realized MOST milspec ARs will weigh right around 5lbs if you put a pencil barrel and carbon handguard.

The cheapest AR I own, a MP15 w/ Giessele rail, 16" barrel and long ass S&W flash hider is right at 6 lbs. With a different handguard and a 14.5" barrel. I would be right around 5lbs.

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My heaviest AR is a PWS piston gun with a Razor 1-6, surefire, etc at 8.5 lbs. But I would rather use it any day of the week.

They keep saying "under 5 lbs. WITH OPTICS". It's a fucking holosun red dot, not a Razor lpvo.
 
One of my friends who's disabled and kind of needs an ultraig gun made a wwsd upped in like 2017 or whatever, but could never get a cav arms lower. I think he just got one of the new lowers so now has a wwsd gun. I'll shoot it some day here soon and see if Im as underwhelmed with it as I suspect I will be.

It's competition is one of those old CMMG bargain barrel guns. (IDK how old people here are, but in the halcyon days of AWB sunset to pre-obama the first super cheap but acceptably good ARs came out. They were mixmaster guns from over runs and good condition surplus parts, but it was milspec and they literally sold them out of a big blue barrel for like $550. At the time a good ak was like $450, and bushmasters were like the next best AR and started at like $750) and I'ma 10.5" psa pistol, also like a $600 gun. I suspect it will get blown out.
 
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I was watching Atun Shei when he was getting a couple of thousand views a video. He's a clever guy who's got good production standards, and his witchfinder general schtick is genuinely funny.

These days now he's getting more views he's constantly bitching at his YouTube comments section which he insists he doesn't read.

It's odd though, Karl acted very differently with him than he typically does with other collaborators. With Ian for the later years there seemed to be tension, and with people like Ollam Karl seemed to understand at some basic level that he was sharing a screen with a weasel.

Karl actually seems to have some respect for Atun Shei, and it shows during the video. Karl actually listens and engages which these days is pretty unusual. He even gently pushes back on Atun Shei with regards one of the statues and Atun Shei agrees.

Both videos are actually enjoyable to watch. Karl has already started to improve the production quality of his historical videos (and his video on that killology retard was genuinely funny), so hopefully this is the shape of things to come.

 
Karl actually seems to have some respect for Atun Shei, and it shows during the video. Karl actually listens and engages which these days is pretty unusual. He even gently pushes back on Atun Shei with regards one of the statues and Atun Shei agrees.
I think Karl is desperate to be considered a "historian" on the level of Ian. Bringing in someone like Atun Shei is a plea to be taken more serious rather than just some guy that shoots guns in the desert.

Karl speaks of "GunToobers" with contempt despite being one...
 
Atun Shei isn't necessarily wrong about a lot of the Anti-Confederate points he has, but he comes off as a fucking retard when he strawmans the Confederate in every video as some mouth-breathing dipshit and the Unionist as a pariah of reason and morality. People like him honestly believe the nation is at risk of being divided by rednecks living in run-down single wide trailers with faded Confederate flags hung from their windows.

My main problem with Atun-Shei and people who make similar arguments trying to dunk on the south, is that they tend to lack any sense of humanity. Little respect is given to the cultural consequences of the south fighting the most horrific industrial war that America had seen, and fighting it in their own back yard.

You can make an academic or snarky moral argument about how much worse the evils of slavery and Jim Crow were, and you can nitpick about the historical details that pro-Confederacy types tend to fixate on as a coping mechanism, but people tend to make the mistake of not remembering that they’re usually talking to people whose views were, generations ago, shaped by a culture who fought and died and suffered personally. They wanted those sacrifices to mean something, they typically understand that slavery is wrong, but they look at their ancestors and want to find some way to justify the suffering and celebrate the quality human traits where they can be found. Stonewall Jackson isn’t revered for what he fought for, but how he fought.

I’ve noticed this when visiting parts of the south that paid a direct toll for the war, the confederate iconography tends to be more open and more part of the culture. You can try to shame them all you want from a modern perspective of presentism, but you’re not going to win any hearts and minds if you ignore the fact that their culture took root back when there were still people around who had their farms burned, their daughters raped and their sons murdered. A decade of harsh winters starving in Shenandoah or Savannah, experienced first hand, is going to shape the post-war culture and if you try to engage with people from those cultures without acknowledging that, then you’re doing it more for your own sense of self-superiority than you are for any real attempt to find common ground or change people’s minds. That very real, very human pain tends to supersede a the more distant morality of overall conflict.

That plus when you strip away the fact that now people understand that slavery and racism are fucking wrong, the Civil war becomes a narrative of rural life versus urban imperialism. Can you take a wild fucking guess as to why that message might still resonate with people today, oh educated urbanites constantly showing your disdain and ridiculing rural culture? And that’s when you’re not actively trying to snuff it out.

People like Atun who build their whole historically narrative about the Civil War based on a modern sense of empathy for the very real suffering of the slaves and post-war African American struggles ironically tend to show little empathy for the people who actually fought it, and who are degraded and dismissed as racists for trying to find some modern angle to justify what they see as heroism from people with whom they share a culture.
 
I was watching C&Rsenal's latest Q and A a little while ago, and some fan made this really great suggestion.


He suggested a collab with the 'Well there's your problem Podcast'. The podcast is currently being dominated by a troon called Alice Avizandum who sometimes gets a mention in the tranny sideshow thread.

He's an upper class English perpetual student, who not long after he trooned out, also converted to Islam for added attention. The guy who created the podcast and does the research is some 'chapo trap house style' left wing engineer, but for whatever reason he invited Alice on and now of course he calls the shots. Alice particularly likes dragging out the intros at the beginning of each episode where everyone has to state their pronouns.

Othias seemed sceptical after looking them up, but I've got to wonder about what kind of patreon supporter thinks that this would be a good idea.
 
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but I've got to wonder about what kind of patreon supporter thinks that this would be a good idea.
Some people are just legit retards and think anything can cross over with anything and it'd be good, because they like both things and think since they like both, they must go well together! I remember years ago watching a Hickok45 video where he interacted with some other youtuber and the comments were filled with galaxy brains suggesting other crossovers most of which would not work and it'd be obvious to anyone here they wouldn't work. It's like yeah, I like salmon and I like caramel, but I can figure out that combining the two isn't going to work well. But not these people.

On the other hand, Karl crossing over with tacticool tranny is just perfect for the both of them!

And speaking of Karl, he got his big boy shot recently. Whatever the fuck that mask is makes him look worse than usual. Nobody tell him masks don't seal properly with facial hair. Maybe if he actually cared about protecting himself from the coof and not hollow virtue signaling he would shave.

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My main problem with Atun-Shei and people who make similar arguments trying to dunk on the south, is that they tend to lack any sense of humanity. Little respect is given to the cultural consequences of the south fighting the most horrific industrial war that America had seen, and fighting it in their own back yard.

You can make an academic or snarky moral argument about how much worse the evils of slavery and Jim Crow were, and you can nitpick about the historical details that pro-Confederacy types tend to fixate on as a coping mechanism, but people tend to make the mistake of not remembering that they’re usually talking to people whose views were, generations ago, shaped by a culture who fought and died and suffered personally. They wanted those sacrifices to mean something, they typically understand that slavery is wrong, but they look at their ancestors and want to find some way to justify the suffering and celebrate the quality human traits where they can be found. Stonewall Jackson isn’t revered for what he fought for, but how he fought.

I’ve noticed this when visiting parts of the south that paid a direct toll for the war, the confederate iconography tends to be more open and more part of the culture. You can try to shame them all you want from a modern perspective of presentism, but you’re not going to win any hearts and minds if you ignore the fact that their culture took root back when there were still people around who had their farms burned, their daughters raped and their sons murdered. A decade of harsh winters starving in Shenandoah or Savannah, experienced first hand, is going to shape the post-war culture and if you try to engage with people from those cultures without acknowledging that, then you’re doing it more for your own sense of self-superiority than you are for any real attempt to find common ground or change people’s minds. That very real, very human pain tends to supersede a the more distant morality of overall conflict.

That plus when you strip away the fact that now people understand that slavery and racism are fucking wrong, the Civil war becomes a narrative of rural life versus urban imperialism. Can you take a wild fucking guess as to why that message might still resonate with people today, oh educated urbanites constantly showing your disdain and ridiculing rural culture? And that’s when you’re not actively trying to snuff it out.

People like Atun who build their whole historically narrative about the Civil War based on a modern sense of empathy for the very real suffering of the slaves and post-war African American struggles ironically tend to show little empathy for the people who actually fought it, and who are degraded and dismissed as racists for trying to find some modern angle to justify what they see as heroism from people with whom they share a culture.
Atun Shei has some clear biases, just look at his critique of Gettysburg where he calls the battle whitewashed and poorly acted. While yes, it can't portray the actual violence because of the age rating and the movie being a direct to tv product, but I never got the sense that the movie was trying to downplay the severity of the battle and the horror of the battle
 
And speaking of Karl, he got his big boy shot recently. Whatever the fuck that mask is makes him look worse than usual. Nobody tell him masks don't seal properly with facial hair. Maybe if he actually cared about protecting himself from the coof and not hollow virtue signaling he would shave.

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Motherfucker looks like a Metro 2033 enemy.
 
My main problem with Atun-Shei and people who make similar arguments trying to dunk on the south, is that they tend to lack any sense of humanity. Little respect is given to the cultural consequences of the south fighting the most horrific industrial war that America had seen, and fighting it in their own back yard.

Humanity is definitely missed. There is a lot of politicization but even if I let them have that 30% of southerners owned slaves (it's often much less, 2-5%, depending on the state); there were still 70% of the population that was just trying to get by. Small family farms and businesses where slaves had no part of their daily lives. The majority weren't fighting for their Gone With The Wind style plantations.

If they could they would wipe our memory of any civil war. These people forget that many of the leaders on the Confederate side were bought into the Union after the war. They were a huge part in how the government was shaped post war. They also forget that most formed what became the Democratic party....
 
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